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iuytr #1 Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:20 PM

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1,500 damage, 800 spotting, 4 kills and only a class 2? :facepalm: Wtf are other people scoring in this thing???

Zer0RNG #2 Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:21 PM

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View Postiuytr, on 29 May 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

1,500 damage, 800 spotting, 4 kills and only a class 2? :facepalm: Wtf are other people scoring in this thing???

 

unless u do 3000-4000 dmg kill half of the team and probably spot at least 1k u will not get M in it :P

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/index/version/81/nation/2/level/7/type/4/tank/672-964/ace/1/sort/uploaded_at.desc/

 

every body says that is OP... and maybe it is if u play full gold.... 

but for me has 2 things that make me to not play it in last few months... very small Gun traverse range ... and the PEN... unless you don't shoot full gold.. u will have problems to pen tire 8


Edited by Zer0RNG, 29 May 2019 - 01:28 PM.


Mimos_A #3 Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:27 PM

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View Postiuytr, on 29 May 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

1,500 damage, 800 spotting, 4 kills and only a class 2? :facepalm: Wtf are other people scoring in this thing???

 

It's a stupidly strong tank in the right situations, meaning people at times get absolutely mental games in it.

 

And results like that are hardly worth an ace in any non-garbage tier 7. 3.5k in the SU-101 also gets you something like a 2nd or 1st class.



Kozzy #4 Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:28 PM

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Because the tank is so strong people tend to do well in it. therefor the requirements for Ace tanker are relatively high (compared to other T7s)

iuytr #5 Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:41 PM

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I've managed to at least 1 mark MoE every tank I've played but there's no chance of me doing this one! :(

Suurpolskija #6 Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:45 PM

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You don't score an ace even with St.Emil with 1.5k, you'll need 2.5-3k. And (in my experience) St. Emil is the easiest to ace out of them.

 

I don't think 1500dmg 800 assist is enough to ace even the more popular tier6's nor 5's for that matter. 


Edited by Suurpolskija, 29 May 2019 - 01:46 PM.


Kozzy #7 Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:45 PM

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Tell me about it, I came to 94.88% and then dropped to below 90%.  For my last 146 battles I am running 1,580 avg damage, 3k WN8 and 61% WR but still cannot get the last few % on my 3rd mark.  This is one of those tanks where it's all about relocating and making best use of space and the camo/mobility.  My most recent ACE was over 3k damage, I think.

 

What equipment/crew skills/ammo loadout and consumables you running?


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Cobra6 #8 Posted 29 May 2019 - 01:48 PM

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View Postiuytr, on 29 May 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

1,500 damage, 800 spotting, 4 kills and only a class 2? :facepalm: Wtf are other people scoring in this thing???

 

I'll check my averages for you:

64,91% winratio

1518 Average damage

2822 wn8 average

 

For Ace tanker you need something like 2500+ damage and 1000 spotting.

Also, spotting most of your own damage helps greatly so use binocs.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 29 May 2019 - 01:51 PM.


Charlemagne_KDG #9 Posted 29 May 2019 - 02:03 PM

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I recently 3marked it, had to be 3k combined for it I think. It is kinda OP so yea, just have fun in it good games will come ;)

ThinGun #10 Posted 29 May 2019 - 02:19 PM

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It's not OP - because it's situational.  Some games are brilliant, some games are rubbish and most are just meh.

 

I think I got Mastery in it, but I'm not that good a player, so I'd say the tank got it, rather than me.



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View Postiuytr, on 29 May 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

1,500 damage, 800 spotting, 4 kills and only a class 2? :facepalm: Wtf are other people scoring in this thing???

 

In tier 3 tank you'd get Ace for that.

In E25 you need to do around 3500dmg and some assists and spotting.

+ in OP tanks there's even more competition.



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View PostFrantisekBascovansky, on 29 May 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

 

In tier 3 tank you'd get Ace for that.

In E25 you need to do around 3500dmg and some assists and spotting.

+ in OP tanks there's even more competition.

 

Indeed.  It's a good indicator of how OP a tank is - people have to do exceptionally well in it compared to its peers to get an Ace tanker.  I think it needs something around 1,400xp and as you say around 3-3.5k combined at the moment.

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View PostKozzy, on 29 May 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

 

Indeed.  It's a good indicator of how OP a tank is - people have to do exceptionally well in it compared to its peers to get an Ace tanker.  I think it needs something around 1,400xp and as you say around 3-3.5k combined at the moment.

 

Yeah back when I was 3 marking the Panzer V/IV more then a year ago I needed something like 2800 combined to advance the mark........on a Tier 5 tanks XD

Only a few unicum players were driving it so the reqs. were insane. A lot of matches there wasn't even enough HP available to do that hehe.

 

Managed to get the mark after quite a long struggle.

All for nought because now WG created a huge influx of bad players so this mark went from one of the hardest on the server to easy overnight.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 29 May 2019 - 03:07 PM.


Mimos_A #14 Posted 29 May 2019 - 03:14 PM

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View PostKozzy, on 29 May 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:

 

Indeed.  It's a good indicator of how OP a tank is - people have to do exceptionally well in it compared to its peers to get an Ace tanker.  I think it needs something around 1,400xp and as you say around 3-3.5k combined at the moment.

 

Not necessarily. As an ace relies on a few exceptional battles to set the bar, it can also indicate a tank that is only situationally very strong (or OP). Marks are a way better indicator in that regard.

Edited by Mimos_A, 29 May 2019 - 03:14 PM.


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View PostCobra6, on 29 May 2019 - 03:06 PM, said:

 

Yeah back when I was 3 marking the Panzer V/IV more then a year ago I needed something like 2800 combined to advance the mark........on a Tier 5 tanks XD

Only a few unicum players were driving it so the reqs. were insane. A lot of matches there wasn't even enough HP available to do that hehe.

 

Managed to get the mark after quite a long struggle.

All for nought because now WG created a huge influx of bad players so this mark went from one of the hardest on the server to easy overnight.

 

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Sublte brag ;)

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 29 May 2019 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

Sublte brag ;)

 

I'm surprised you picked up on it ;)

 

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View PostMimos_A, on 29 May 2019 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

Not necessarily. As an ace relies on a few exceptional battles to set the bar, it can also indicate a tank that is only situationally very strong (or OP). Marks are a way better indicator in that regard.

 

An Ace relies on ONE good battle but it is measured against the rest of the population.  Your XP is being compared against the current average.  Since ALL tanks are measured in the same way, the tank with the higher expected XP is clearly the one doing more (and importantly expected to do more) in the average battle.

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View PostKozzy, on 29 May 2019 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

An Ace relies on ONE good battle but it is measured against the rest of the population.  Your XP is being compared against the current average.  Since ALL tanks are measured in the same way, the tank with the higher expected XP is clearly the one doing more (and importantly expected to do more) in the average battle.

 

"Mastery Badge: Ace Tanker - Earn more experience in a single battle than the average highest experience of 99% of all players in the same tank within the last seven days."

 

The way I read that, the bar gets set only by the highest achieved experience achieved by players playing that tank within the 7 days, not the total average. If I understand it correctly, if a player plays 5 battles, gets 200, 200, 200, 200 and 1500 xp, only the 1500 xp one is taken into the Ace calculations, not the rest. So a relatively small sample size of good games can push the bar really high, as most bad games will be thrown out.


Edited by Mimos_A, 29 May 2019 - 03:48 PM.


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2.3 Combined is Ace Tanker material for like, a Tier V.

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View PostMimos_A, on 29 May 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

 

"Mastery Badge: Ace Tanker - Earn more experience in a single battle than the average highest experience of 99% of all players in the same tank within the last seven days."

 

The way I read that, the bar gets set only by the highest achieved experience achieved by players playing that tank within the 7 days, not the total average. If I understand it correctly, if a player plays 5 battles, gets 200, 200, 200, 200 and 1500 xp, only the 1500 xp one is taken into the Ace calculations, not the rest. So a relatively small sample size of good games can push the bar really high, as most bad games will be thrown out.

 

Yeah but the important bit is in bold.  I read that as the highest XP of each of the players who played the tank are then averaged, you then need to get in within the top 1% of that average.

 

Player 1) - 500, 600, 100, 900 > 900 is taken

Player 2) - 1200, 900, 400, 200 > 1,200 is taken

Player 3 ) - 700, 200, 400 > 700 is taken

 

The average of the highest is 933.33 so an Ace would need a battle with at least 924 XP.

 

 






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