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[Bordhaw]

Community, on 31 May 2019 - 08:00 AM, said:

The suspicious activities have met their end: more tanks are now guarding our warehouse.
<a href="https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/special-offers/black-market-closing/">The full text of the news item</a>

 

Good event, poorly executed. 

[afoxm]

Bordhaw, on 31 May 2019 - 07:25 PM, said:

 

Good event, poorly executed. 

 

What exactly was poor on that?

Damn, these customers... it was a great idea, great event and only is6b was not sold very well (for obvious reasons)... everything else was fun and i think very succesful - for players and wg.

[gigizamfir]

tnx for shut down. all super players with wn8< 500 buy t 34b. is another mode for make money for wg. no more repeat!

[Commander_Breathy]

I think it was a nice event., although I could not buy that many tanks due to my sleeping and working hours wichc made it hard to be online in time...and the fact I already owned some of them.

But then again it was a good move WG, good for WG and good for some players.

Suggestion: if you want to repeat an event like this, please use more opening hours during a day, of course with the same offers (with smaller amounts availabl;e maybe) so more players are can find a fitting time to be online and have a chance to use an offer .

 

 

 

[mcnoodlez]

Sale for the elite , ridiculas prices and completly not accesable to all players some people do have school or jobs, big Crap from WG

[Optimized_Tomato]

dodgerman20001, on 31 May 2019 - 01:38 AM, said:

COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME......

WOT you made no effort to think about the average working man in the UK....

The deals started at 5AM GMT and again at 5PM GMT....

Those that work in the UK would no be up at 5am or be finished work by 5pm...

this was totally unfair for anyone working in the UK.....

 

Don't worry mate, This event was a test to see how the market would withstand or put up with, due to the incoming law of loot boxes and gambling. They wanted to actually see how much money people would spend on tanks and all the sheep that bought them fell for it. What is disgusting is that they sold tanks that were removed from the game for being over powered and according to them (WG) would never make a comeback. Mark my words, the next black market event that they pull will have the WT-E-100 for sale at a even more ridiculous price than the Foch 155 went for, which equated to $305 of my dollars. Keep in mind that the FV 215-183 and the Foch 155 were tanks you could grind out for free and a very brutal grind it was.

 

Anybody who reads this should not fall for these gross marketing tactics, further more, us gamers need to stand up to ridiculous prices and tell them to get stuffed by not buying these tanks. They are clearly lying to their customers and have no conscious about it by bringing these so called overpowered tanks back. It is absolute bollocks that they blatantly lied to us about the removal reasoning's just to pull this stunt. You may be lemmings in game but don't be sheep in life!

Edited by Optimized_Tomato, 31 May 2019 - 11:03 PM.

[Rato_Black_Baron]

Pssst... Baldie dealer? 

Call me in advance when you get over Sparkle, will you?

Great event. Good job Baldie.

 

I had 50M credits with no value to me, except accumulating equipment in depot.

You gave it value: FCM 36 Pak 40; Sexton I; Caernarvon AX; T34 B; and FV215B 183.

 

No problem getting back to sleep at 5:05, but impossible to access at 17:00 due to work.

 

How about making n tanks available, from hour to hour, on the half day offer?

Can you bring prices as a mix of credits, gold and bonds?

Can you steal premium account time, and girls for credits?

 

Good luck with the elite team Baldie. Take care and good hunt.

[WindSplitter1]

dodgerman20001, on 31 May 2019 - 08:38 AM, said:

 

this was totally unfair for anyone working in GMT

 

There, fixed ╬ ¬_¬

 

Just so you know down here in Lisbon and up there in Iceland etc were penalized same way.

 

Then... Tanks for the Caer AX.

[Christofia]

I guess it won't be that hard to find a couple of thousands of Alpine Tigers, IS-6B's and the others, it'd be hard to miss so many unsold tanks even for you guys at WG

Also, don't forget about the sh*tload of paint buckets too, it's hazardous to the environment you know

[Vastant]

Hey WG,

 

Next time how about you release a portion of the vehicles every hour instead of all of them in one go. Some players have a real life and because of timing can't part in these kinds of events. I think it's unfair to your loyal gaming community as a whole.

[Ace42X]

hotCROssbun, on 31 May 2019 - 08:13 AM, said:

good. keep it shut. it was terribly divisive with the limited numbers of items, early offers that sold out in seconds and ridiculous pricing.

either revise the format or keep it shut please

 

Yep, the event was frustrating [edited].
Gotta get up before 5am to check what's on offer?  [edited]to that.
Can't know what's on offer in advance or what the cost is?  [edited]to that.
Gotta fight to get an item (possibly within 14 seconds of it coming on sale)?  [edited]to that.
Store-front consistently down so you have to relog to try to access it?  [edited]to that.

I'm ready to flex my credit card and support the game, but hey-ho - cynical [edited]at work to cynically froth up an aritifical feeding frenzy that just ends up cutting me out.

[kristalyos_jatekos]

Community, on 31 May 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

The suspicious activities have met their end: more tanks are now guarding our warehouse.
<a href="https://worldoftanks.eu/en/news/special-offers/black-market-closing/">The full text of the news item</a>

 

Only for the lifeless cubes!?!?!

 

8 hours of change! the most people will works monday to friday 8 hours! plus 1-2 travelling to work / home (its 10h) and if have a family its another hours loseing! So i think it was good idea but realy [edited]YOU!!!!

1 time i see a tier 10 tank for credit it was out of stock at 3 past 18h! what the hell u think it good for us? for the similar worker gamers?! huh! assholes

 

[wolfman292]

I for one wasn't at all interested in this event got more tanks in the garage than I can use and still got ones to get in the tech trees why would I want to waste credts/gold ect just to make it harder to get round to playing them all at some point and I have Warships to play as well as other non WG games and a life to live.

[Snaques]

Hats off to WG for this well thought out special event!

 

A lot of people are salty over number of things, but most of those gripes are with selfish motives. I for one really appreciated the way the whole thing was set up, because in my eyes this was targeted to experienced players who already have most of common tanks and have too much gold/credits in their account to spend it on anything. There are plenty of specials for casual and f2p players, so having something for the "hardcore crowd" was really nice.

 

Below is a list of positives in my books:

1. The rare tanks were released in limited quantities, ensuring that they will remain at least somewhat rare. In few cases (Pz V/IV) there were a bit too many available, but I think they didn't even sell out.

2. The timing of the biggest deals meant that if you really wanted the tank, you had to put in extra effort to wake up early and be ready when the offer is released. This meant that if you really wanted a certain tank, you could get it. If the best offers would've been in prime time and with a huge promotion ahead, it would've been complete crap shoot who gets the tank.

3. The price and short noticed ensured that the people who have played longer and already own most of the common tanks (and had accumulated more credits/gold) had an upper hand on buying these rarer tanks. I think this is fine as the newer players still have a lot of new content to get to even without a Hydro or Pz V/IV in their carage.

4. The fact that you could buy the tanks with in game currency was a huge positive surprise. This made the event feel more of an opportunity for experienced players than an obvious money grab toward the weak.

 

The one negative thing I have to say is that you really should keep your word in the future. When you say that something is exclusive and will never be sold again, it impacts the rarity and value of that item. When you sell it again, you actually de-value those items, which in addition to being morally questionable may even be illegal. Think about a whisky distillery who sells a batch of 50 bottles for 2k€ per bottle. If they sell 2000 more the next month, the value will go down and will certainly piss off the original customers.

 

Anyway, good event and while I hope to see something similar again I also hope that you wont oversell the rare ones.

[yodelihiti]

Nice event, well executed

[Zylon0]

One thing to improve the black market is to lower the price of the tank on offer every minute.

That way even those tanks that are less in demand will get sold eventually when they become dirt cheap.

 

That and add more stock available for those tanks in demand.

It does not hurt WG in any way to have 10 times as many tanks in stock.

 

In fact i wonder how much money they left on the table by having tanks sell out in 2 minutes or less,

while they could keep raking in money for hours on end.

[Gixxercho]

GJ Wargaming!! Thanks to the Black Market I have FV215B 183. Actually I expected to have more rare tanks on the Market. But may be next time ... who knows.

[Snaques]

Zylon0, on 02 June 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:

One thing to improve the black market is to lower the price of the tank on offer every minute.

That way even those tanks that are less in demand will get sold eventually when they become dirt cheap.

 

That and add more stock available for those tanks in demand.

It does not hurt WG in any way to have 10 times as many tanks in stock.

 

In fact i wonder how much money they left on the table by having tanks sell out in 2 minutes or less,

while they could keep raking in money for hours on end.

Well most of the tanks that were sold here, we interesting mainly because they were rare. Not because they were so good, good looking or fun to play. If you sell unlimited amount of those tanks, they lose all of what made them interesting in the first place. Actually, if the tank is op, there is even more of a reason to limit the sales before the tank ruins the MM.

 

I think it is really selfish to ask for more of the limited commodities just because you missed out on one. I missed out on the Type 59 two years ago, but still was rather disappointed that WG sold so many of them. It really lost some of the intrigue it used to have.

[Actinid]

Tiger64_, on 31 May 2019 - 08:39 AM, said:

This event reminded how WG was in the old days.Hats off to WG for this event and I truly hope this wont be the last time we see it.As a suggestion:If WG could sell the tank for gold could they offer us an alternative tank for credits or even the equivalent of credits to the amount of gold.If WG could implement this once or twice a year itl give players time to grind for credits and make it easier for those who cant afford gold.Im sorry I missed out on the Black Dog but hopefully with the next event i'l be able to get it.

 

I shared this suggestion. Cheers.

 

Darth_Clicker, on 31 May 2019 - 09:04 AM, said:

 

Maybe WG figured that due to Brexit the UK wouldn't want to participate in EU server activities....

 

Waking up at 5am in the UK to check the black market be like :

Spoiler

 

Sir_Armand, on 31 May 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

Spoiler

 

Thanks for the event WG!

I LIKED that WG went outside the box on this one, and offered Prem/reward tanks for silver. And an opportunity for those so inclined to pick up some of the rarer vehicles. 
WG, PLEASE continue to try to find similar events/projects to hold in the future.

Some feedback about the BM event:

Timing:
While I understand the reason for wanting to release items in EU and Russia at the same time, and while I realise that Russia spans11 timezones, shifting the time back one hour would get the UK in at 06/18, and still keep Moscow at 10/22, which is preferable to UK at 05/17, and Moscow at 09/21 IMO. I'm Swedish, so I'm not complaining on my own behalf, since we got the offers at 06/18 .

Information:
Again, while I get why you wanted to keep both items and prices secret, I believe that you would have gotten happier customers if you gave us a heads up,like: "Rumor has it that the black market will only trade in gold next time", or, "Only the richest, with well over 15M silver will be able to buy the next rarity, it may well sell for almost twice that.", it would allow players to prepre their wallets beforehand, causing less strain on the servers. 

 

The Type 59G should have had a HUGE sign next to it: "REGULAR PREMIUM, NOT DOUBLED PREMIUM INCOME".
Actually, ALL the vehicles should have their stats displayed next to the offer, including hidden information like Preferential MM, bonus% to credits/xp, so people can make informed decisions.

It may be obvious to a WG staff event planner that a 150.000 gold tank on the chinese server will not be sold for 25.000 gold on the EU server.
BUT if you have a 59G in the game, and it makes double income, and you sell a 59G, people will believe that they have bought a 59G, and that it therefore has a doubled income bonus! 

It is not strange that they feel cheated, you must realise that people had less than 60 seconds to make an informed decision. I didn't know what the 59G costs on the chinese server(or any of the prices there actually), but I did know that it makes double income.
Now, I really dislike the way it looks, so I was never interested, but you really dropped the ball on that one, and the WG feedback:

" well, you should have realised that of COURSE it doesn't make duble income at that price", implicating that the buyers are stupid, and dismissing the complaint with a "well, if you haven't played it, send a ticket, and you get refunded, no need to complain", is very, very badly handled customer service and communication.

Item selection:
Premium tanks are a good choice, selling them for silver were an even better one. Some of them I just don't understand. Like the pz2J for example. Why would we want to see more of them?
I would like to encourage you to consider what vehicles you consider well balanced, but that does not see enough play, and offer those.
Or, plainly underpowered ones, like the IS6, and offer those at a bargain. Which in the case of the IS6, You DID! and well done to you for that.
Maybe the IS should have been offered for silver?

 Perhaps there are opportunities for other things? Garage and barracks slots for silver for example (IMO they should be free or for silver in the standard game, discouragiung players from getting mnore tanks and crew cannot be a sound business model).
Camouflages, girl crew, Anti-artillery sale of spall liners etc.

But not skins or cosmetic stuff for silver, let tgat always be gold. Having people pay you real money for cosmetics are a great thing, and gives you revenue that does not affect gameplay,  keeping you from going down that dangerous pay-to-win path.

 

Method of payment:
If you really want to give out a few of very rare items, consider an auction. Put out 100 T59, to the highest bidders. Be entirely transparent with the bids. Let the ones that really, really want to buy them pay market value for them. Players get an opportunity, and WG makes money.

Other:
I'd like to be able to disable max vehicles sold in some way at events like this. I realise that it's there for my own protection, but perhaps I could request an affirmation code to my mail, phone, or mobile Id? say one that in 24 hrs waives the restriction for 24 hrs? Or just make it optional?

Event Idea:
How about once a year have a "garage sale", where players can offer vehicles for sale, for silver or gold, to other players. WG could take a cut of 5% or so. I realise that it may require programming that just isn'tfeasible, but it would be a fun event.

Also: perhaps some event where you encourage players to socialise/get to know each other. There isn't much of a community right now, so platooning with people you haven't met before, or trying to find likeminded players to platoon with, really isn't a thing in WoT outside of ones own personal friendsector and/or clan.

Communication and feedback:
I believe that WG would benefit from shifting a lot of the communication from mere frontpage announcements to the forum. 
The current links to discussion threads on announcement topics (like this one) are a great example of this done right. Well done WG!

 

But, I believe that even more communication and feedback topics, where WG staff responds and asks questions would benefit WG even more.
WG considering an event in the future, ask players to vote on the tanks they want to get most (not telling the players why) , bam! WG has  wishlist. 
Ask players which  tanks they don't play becayse they are too weak: bam! WG has a list of vehicls that might need a buff.
Ask players what vehicles that don't play, not because they're necessarily bad, but because they are boring(no real role), obsolete(other vehicles does what they do, just better) too OP (no fun to play) etc, etc.

Anyways, you have recieved a lot of critique for this event, but I would like to commend you!

I see what you tried to do, and I think that you will get better at it in the future.

 

Thanks for your complete feedback. It has been shared !

 

Bordhaw, on 31 May 2019 - 06:25 PM, said:

 

Good event, poorly executed. 

 

What didn't you like ? Feel free to give me more insight otherwise i won't be able to improve it if we decide to bring it back.

 

[Alabamatick]

Actinid, on 03 June 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

What didn't you like ? Feel free to give me more insight otherwise i won't be able to improve it if we decide to bring it back.

 

 

I think Bordhaw was referring to the GMT time zone problem (5:00 am is far to early), the limited number of units and the crashing premium shop issues preventing people from getting gold in time

 

all these issues prevented many players from getting what they wanted