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Poll: 121 (84 members have cast votes)

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Should the 121 be buffed drastically?

  1. Yes (62 votes [73.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.81%

  2. No (22 votes [26.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.19%

Is the Chinese Med tank tech tree very underwhelming and poor?

  1. Yes (71 votes [84.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 84.52%

  2. No (13 votes [15.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.48%

Where should Wargaming BUFF the 121

  1. Gun Deprssion (15 votes [17.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.86%

  2. Armor (8 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  3. Mobility (7 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  4. Aiming time and gun handling (54 votes [64.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

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Shell_Destroyer570 #1 Posted 31 May 2019 - 05:22 PM

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Hi,

 

I've unfortunately had to use the 121 for the ranked battles this season cause i have no other tier 10s and im completely out matched in every situation, even when going hulldown in the tank. 

 

This raises a question because i've never seen another 121 in ranked battles, so what makes the 121 completely inferior to rest especially against the obj 430u and other russian meds?

 

Furthermore the Chinese med tech tree is pretty much unheard of as in terms of seeing the likes of the T-34-1, T-34-2 especially... Should the Chinese med tanks get a role change? Or just massively improve their all round play and their characteristics?

 

 

Comment below what you think make the 121 bad and where they should buff the tank,

 

Further comment why the tech tree is a stinker and where they should go with it?

 

 

 



vasilinhorulezz #2 Posted 31 May 2019 - 06:10 PM

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Inferior communism doesn't need buffs. Only Gulag.

The_Naa #3 Posted 31 May 2019 - 08:58 PM

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i think the Chinese Mediums have a role as High Alpha on mobile platform,

so to keep them ''special'' the high alpha should be their trade mark. 121 shares highest alpha with 430U.

121's alpha should be buffed so it keeps the tier for tier alpha lead like WZ-120.

same should be done to the T-34-1 & T-34-2. IMHO



Xanjori #4 Posted 31 May 2019 - 09:01 PM

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Some better gun depression would go a long way into making it a better medium, its very tough to use this tank properly and getting shots away often leads to exposing softer parts of the tank. I don't think it needs "drastic" buffs, I think it could use a bit of tweaking just to bring it up to the standard of some other mediums.

 

Also the T-34-1 is the best tier 7 medium of all time.



Hendrik2k #5 Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:38 AM

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Slow reload doesnt work in the current meta, unless you have invincible armor like 430U. The 121B is a step in the right direction, unfortunately I can't get one. This thing needs a serious buff to return to competitiveness.

Solstad1069 #6 Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:09 AM

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No you dont see many Chinese medium tanks in random either.
Because they are pretty much crap from start to finish.

Japualtah #7 Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:15 AM

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No buffs, thank you.

Only nerfs.



MeNoobTank #8 Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:17 AM

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what about buff gun handling, mobility and camo but let it be less armored, maybe give to it +1 gun depression too. In this way it will be better as a medium to long range and 113 at close combat.



arthurwellsley #9 Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:52 AM

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The 121 was always the poor relation against it's cousins the Object 140, T62A, and even the orginial Object 430 (now the 430U). All four were inferior to the Object 907 after that had unnecessary buffs. The only version that used to be worse than the 121 was the 121B but that got buffed. Now the 121B has a smaller alpha gun with better gun handling and shell velocity, plus 420 view range, (what the hell the 121B is doing with that view range is anyone's guess).

 

The dpm on the 121 is still very good, especially when compared to the 430U due to better ROF. Both the 121 and 430U share 5 degrees of gun depression. The gun stats between the two of them are hardly any different, the only advantage that the 430U has it the armour.

 

Give the 121 slightly better than 430U gun handling to buff it?

 

proposal buff the following

aim time from 2.59 down to 2.20 (430U = 2.21)

Dispersion moving from 0.13 down to 0.11 (430U = 0.12)

Dispersion Tank Traverse from 0.13 down to 0.11 (430U = 0.12)

Dispersion Turret Traverse from 0.13 down to 0.10 (430U = 0.10) (maybe this one should be 0.11 but WG could test both).

 


Edited by arthurwellsley, 01 June 2019 - 11:01 AM.


SirTogII #10 Posted 01 June 2019 - 11:26 AM

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I think it’s sad they took away the one thing the Chinese meds’ had over the russkies. If it was me Id nerf 430U damage to 390 and buff 121 to 460. That way the Chinese have the alfa at least. 

dex_1950 #11 Posted 01 June 2019 - 12:13 PM

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Can we [edited]off with all pools and buffing all the tanks? 

 

Buffed E5 would be now mediocre. Buffed E5.

 


Edited by dex_1950, 01 June 2019 - 12:21 PM.


lnfernaI #12 Posted 01 June 2019 - 01:02 PM

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121 was already buffed.

Do you not know anything?



arthurwellsley #13 Posted 01 June 2019 - 04:52 PM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 01 June 2019 - 12:02 PM, said:

121 was already buffed.

Do you not know anything?

 

Well that is absolutely correct;

121 got buffed in July 2017 (just think how bad it was before then).

Patch 9.19.1;

 

Changes to Technical Characteristics of Vehicles

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  • 121: Changed the depression angle of the 122 mm 60-122T gun from -3.5 deg. to -5 deg.

 

source = https://worldoftanks...e-announcement/



lnfernaI #14 Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:45 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 01 June 2019 - 05:52 PM, said:

 

Well that is absolutely correct;

121 got buffed in July 2017 (just think how bad it was before then).

Patch 9.19.1;

 

Changes to Technical Characteristics of Vehicles

China:

  • 121: Changed the depression angle of the 122 mm 60-122T gun from -3.5 deg. to -5 deg.

 

source = https://worldoftanks...e-announcement/

 

I bared with it's gun dep of -3 (not -3.5) and didn't complain.

CptBarney #15 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:01 PM

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They should nerf most tanks back to 9.0 values. And reverse the nerf to global accuracy.

spuff #16 Posted 02 June 2019 - 08:36 AM

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It’s funny that the Chinese mediums are probably the least played line yet every other medium line is getting love and not 121 line???
I quite like the 121 (mind you I do love playing tanks everyone says are crap!) and have played it in ranked too.
The gun handling isn’t too bad on 121 compared to the rest of the line, especially against the WZ120!

To make 121 better I’d give it better mobility, increase alpha to 460 (or nerf 430u to 400!?!) and maybe buff ammo rack and fuel tank hp a little.  You don’t really need to go overboard with armour buffs etc or you’ll just create another 430u!

WZ120 seriously needs a gun handling and aim time buff and maybe a slight buff to mobility.

T-34-2 well this needs a complete make over to be competitive! Not sure what to do there!

T-34-1 is a great tank. Maybe a slight gun handling/aim time buff?

In general the problem with all Chinese mediums is their piss poor gun handling and glacial aim time. Buffing their gun stats slightly would make them so much more useable without making them OP. WGing cannot day that they have high alpha so have bad gun handling to compensate when they make a monster like 430u and the new Ikea mediums.

pihip #17 Posted 02 June 2019 - 08:59 AM

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Looking at the tank stats 121 seems fine to me.

 

The one real problem on the Chinese medium line is T-34-2 (which is one of the worse Tier 8 tanks currently available, if not the worst), and WZ-120 has a terribly harsh grind if you did not grind the HT line (could also use better gun handling and aimtime on all its guns IMHO, especially the top 100mm and the 122mm big gun).

I think the issue is not 121 itself, but the fact that crap like Object 430U exist. Both tanks fulfill the role of a medium with a hard-hitting gun, but 430U has significant advantages that make it plain superior to 121.

Now I'd rather WG grow some spine and nerf the problem tanks to more acceptable levels regardless of community whining (especially RU community) than keep up with piling buffs upon buffs because every time new tanks come out, chances are many old ones will become trash.
 



Somnorila #18 Posted 02 June 2019 - 09:06 AM

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View PostThe_Naa, on 31 May 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

i think the Chinese Mediums have a role as High Alpha on mobile platform,

so to keep them ''special'' the high alpha should be their trade mark. 121 shares highest alpha with 430U.

121's alpha should be buffed so it keeps the tier for tier alpha lead like WZ-120.

same should be done to the T-34-1 & T-34-2. IMHO

 

Everytime buff... Why not nerf 430? Then again, what's the problem if there are two with the same role? As long they both are comparable and there is not clear better option, both filling same role is perfectly fine.

And who cares about tier 7 and 8 from that line? Just play the LT line and go straight to tier 9, it's the best path anyway.



Zodiac1960s #19 Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:28 PM

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I sold my WZ 120 before I got to the 121. Did not like it at all and the 121 looks meh.  Hope WG will give me a good reason to buy back the 120 sooner than later.

The_Naa #20 Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:38 PM

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View PostSomnorila, on 02 June 2019 - 09:06 AM, said:

 

Everytime buff... Why not nerf 430? Then again, what's the problem if there are two with the same role? As long they both are comparable and there is not clear better option, both filling same role is perfectly fine.

And who cares about tier 7 and 8 from that line? Just play the LT line and go straight to tier 9, it's the best path anyway.

 

a nerf could work. but buffs are nicer. :)

its negative news to the 430 owners if you nerf it.

its only positive news to 121 owners if you buff it.


Edited by The_Naa, 02 June 2019 - 02:39 PM.





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