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24doom24 #1 Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:34 PM

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For the love of god remove the huge viewport bar weakspot on the foch tds, or at least make it smaller. No other well armoured tank in tier 10 is handicapped so hard by its weakspot.  You can't crest ridges because thats the first thing they hit, you cant hide your lower plate because they just shoot that stupid bar and best of all you can't even hide the bar because YOU HAVE TWO WEAKSPOTS ON THE TOP right next  to each other. Why give it 180mm of super sloped armour just to invalidate it with this awful weak point, the entire upper 20% of this tank is autopen. No other non-turreted td has a weak point this bad. The T110E3's cupola is almost 400mm effective wtf. The foch tanks can keep the machine gun turret weakspot but WG do something about the viewport. 

 

On a minor note, tier 10 credit earnings need some kind of buff. Even using standard ammo and the cheapest consumables a win barely breaks even and a loss means -20k to -40k  every game which adds up very fast. Playing tier 8 premiums to recuperate those lost credits sucks because you lose more credits at tier 10 then you make at tier 8 so the case is that I would have to play loads more battles at tier 8 than tier 10, which sucks the fun out of this game because tier 8 is so horrendous. 



KillingJoker #2 Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:39 PM

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If they removed those weakspots, then when you were top tier vs tier VIII's or even IX's they would be completely incappable of doing any damage to you...

 

the Foch is meant to play at distance its not a brawling TD,  your meant to use the distance so your enemies cannot hit the weakspots reliably and at same time, distance will make your armor stronger...

 

Also, there isn't anything wrong with the credit earnings at tier X, its what its meant to be,  the game is free to play till tier VII more or less, after that, you need to be a very good player or at least a consistent one to keep earning credits, or at least not lose them without a premium account, otherwise you can only make credits a higher tiers with premium time or premium tanks, that's how the game works.



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If that weakspot is removed there is a risk that 155 can compete with russian tds, and that will hurt the selfesteem of USSSR.

24doom24 #4 Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:54 PM

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View PostKillingJoker, on 01 June 2019 - 04:39 PM, said:

If they removed those weakspots, then when you were top tier vs tier VIII's or even IX's they would be completely incappable of doing any damage to you...

 

the Foch is meant to play at distance its not a brawling TD,  your meant to use the distance so your enemies cannot hit the weakspots reliably and at same time, distance will make your armor stronger...

 

Also, there isn't anything wrong with the credit earnings at tier X, its what its meant to be,  the game is free to play till tier VII more or less, after that, you need to be a very good player or at least a consistent one to keep earning credits, or at least not lose them without a premium account, otherwise you can only make credits a higher tiers with premium time or premium tanks, that's how the game works.

Isn't that the case for tds such as the bobject, badger and the american tds? They don't have such weakspots and arguably stronger armour and nobody bats an eye. I don't understand why everyone is so against the Foch tds getting even a small buff. The accuracy is completely worthless on this tank, more shells fly to the edge of the aim circle than they do to the centre. The Foch 155 has a 44-48s reload which by autoloader standards is abysmal. Its engine power was nerfed, has horrible ground resistances and one of  the worst gun handling stats at tier 10. The Foch B is completely identical except for its gun which does have more DPM yet lacks the powerful alpha and penetration of the 155mm. It needs something , anything!

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Thanks for the like qpranger! Now let the un-constructive comments flow in.

Edited by 24doom24, 01 June 2019 - 05:59 PM.


SiliconSidewinder #5 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:04 PM

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ok 1:

credit earning on tier X tanks was never a thing and the Foch 155 was never going to earn you credits.

 

2:

well you are kinda right that those weakspots aren't the way of things anymore, but the Foch 155 is a ancient tank and even the Foch B is old.

So yeah you'll just have to live with them till WG decides to rework the line, whenever that maybe.

 



barison1 #6 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:05 PM

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the rangefinder could use a small buff from 150mm to 200-225mm, front armor small buff so it becomes less paper to gold and less rng pens from standard ammo(current 280mm eff). other cupola is fine as it is. engine buffs dont seem needed to me, no need for utterly mobile tanks with high clip potential

 

gun wise it doesnt need much buffs, foch155 could use a buff to the bloom values which are pretty big as they are rn. apart from that the gun is fine, long rld and internal rld balances out the massive clip potential

 

foch b could use a smaller clip (4? 5?) in trade for higher base pen


Edited by barison1, 01 June 2019 - 06:05 PM.


Strizi #7 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:22 PM

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No need to buff any autoloader, there are already enough in the game :popcorn::trollface:

Edited by Strizi, 01 June 2019 - 06:22 PM.


KillingJoker #8 Posted 01 June 2019 - 06:41 PM

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View Post24doom24, on 01 June 2019 - 05:54 PM, said:

Isn't that the case for tds such as the bobject, badger and the american tds? They don't have such weakspots and arguably stronger armour and nobody bats an eye. I don't understand why everyone is so against the Foch tds getting even a small buff. The accuracy is completely worthless on this tank, more shells fly to the edge of the aim circle than they do to the centre. The Foch 155 has a 44-48s reload which by autoloader standards is abysmal. Its engine power was nerfed, has horrible ground resistances and one of  the worst gun handling stats at tier 10. The Foch B is completely identical except for its gun which does have more DPM yet lacks the powerful alpha and penetration of the 155mm. It needs something , anything!

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Thanks for the like qpranger! Now let the un-constructive comments flow in.

 

People complain all the time about the obj 268 v4, and here we are with people now requesting WG to make the Foch 155 to work as an Autoloading bobject

 

You would be more resonable if you requested an Alpha damage buff to 850 dmg per shot, than by removing/reducing weakspots...



Pandabird #9 Posted 01 June 2019 - 07:30 PM

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please add those bars to obj268 v4

BravelyRanAway #10 Posted 01 June 2019 - 07:30 PM

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Won't someone read the small print!

Aliati_1945 #11 Posted 01 June 2019 - 07:43 PM

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yes komrad !

remove more proper weakpoints and promote more GOLD spam !

 

and then complain here again because idiotic OP tanks ruin game

 

:facepalm:

 

make it just like Bobj,,right??


Edited by Aliati_1945, 01 June 2019 - 07:43 PM.


TankkiPoju #12 Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:02 PM

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I'm sorry, did you somehow think Foch 155 is a Russian tank? It's not.

ExclamationMark #13 Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:09 PM

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View PostKillingJoker, on 01 June 2019 - 05:39 PM, said:

If they removed those weakspots, then when you were top tier vs tier VIII's or even IX's they would be completely incappable of doing any damage to you...

 

Nah. Foch lower plates are small but weak. T8s can pen easily.

Nexuss9383 #14 Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:52 PM

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no

Edited by Nexuss9383, 01 June 2019 - 08:53 PM.


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no other TD has roof weakspot....

 

T110E4- hold my beer



24doom24 #16 Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:11 PM

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View PostBradders8, on 01 June 2019 - 08:01 PM, said:

no other TD has roof weakspot....

 

T110E4- hold my beer

 

Except that the T110E4 trades that privilege for a turret, which the foch doesn't have. 

 

Jesus, everyone here freaking out as if it would be the next bobject, no it won't, this thing already has a billion other faults to make up for it. You people sound like Wargaming when you suggested to buff the Leopard 1. I'm asking for literally nothing else be changed but the gigantic weak spot. If I wanted a bobject, I'd go play the bobject.


Edited by 24doom24, 01 June 2019 - 10:17 PM.


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View Post24doom24, on 01 June 2019 - 04:34 PM, said:

For the love of god remove the huge viewport bar weakspot on the foch tds, or at least make it smaller. No other well armoured tank in tier 10 is handicapped so hard by its weakspot.  You can't crest ridges because thats the first thing they hit, you cant hide your lower plate because they just shoot that stupid bar and best of all you can't even hide the bar because YOU HAVE TWO WEAKSPOTS ON THE TOP right next  to each other. Why give it 180mm of super sloped armour just to invalidate it with this awful weak point, the entire upper 20% of this tank is autopen. No other non-turreted td has a weak point this bad. The T110E3's cupola is almost 400mm effective wtf. The foch tanks can keep the machine gun turret weakspot but WG do something about the viewport. 

 

On a minor note, tier 10 credit earnings need some kind of buff. Even using standard ammo and the cheapest consumables a win barely breaks even and a loss means -20k to -40k  every game which adds up very fast. Playing tier 8 premiums to recuperate those lost credits sucks because you lose more credits at tier 10 then you make at tier 8 so the case is that I would have to play loads more battles at tier 8 than tier 10, which sucks the fun out of this game because tier 8 is so horrendous. 

 

Do your research before purchasing. And for the love of dog, please stop complaining about credit earnings after spending 25M on a tank. 

NUKLEAR_SLUG #18 Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:26 PM

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Perhaps you should have done your research before shelling out 25m?

Caveat emptor etc.

enu_ #19 Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:34 PM

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maybe you shouldnt waste 25mil on tier 10 td if you dont play tier 10 tanks

24doom24 #20 Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:35 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 01 June 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

Perhaps you should have done your research before shelling out 25m?

Caveat emptor etc.

 

View Posttruoste, on 01 June 2019 - 09:22 PM, said:

 

Do your research before purchasing. And for the love of dog, please stop complaining about credit earnings after spending 25M on a tank. 

 

Ummmm, I did? Am I not allowed to point out serious flaws? 

Edited by 24doom24, 01 June 2019 - 10:35 PM.





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