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Make ISU 152 great again. Give back the BL10 gun.

ISU 152 BL 10 Restore Fun

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XxKuzkina_MatxX #21 Posted 02 June 2019 - 05:24 PM

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You can still use the BL-10 on the 704 if you like it that much. At least it's more accurate on the 704! :)

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View Postbarison1, on 02 June 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

 

if one is asking to return something to old values you could assume the person is struggeling with current values,  why else would he make a topic out of it?

 

Because the former version was more fun and one does not mind a troll gun that when if it hits you have a near guaranteed pen.

Unless your shooting at the wrong part of a tier 9 tank.

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 02 June 2019 - 04:24 PM, said:

You can still use the BL-10 on the 704 if you like it that much. At least it's more accurate on the 704! :)

 

Yeah and you can use wheels on a wheeled vehicle, both have nothing to do with the ISU 152.

"screw off current top gun on the ISU 152 and replace it with the BL10 it used to have"

 

As far as I know the ISU 152 was not overperforming back then, so i suspect the reason for taking

away the BL10 gun, was to make the Obj 704 stand out more and to make the then new Swedish tier 8 TD more special.in comparison.

 

Starting to wonder if I where the only one that enjoyed the ISU 152 back in its former state.



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Why not bring it back.
It is not like 286 pen is OP or the tank was OP with that gun at T8 anyway.

The main difference now is that you need to fire premium ammo at Type 4 and other heavy tanks instead of using standard ammo.

The 288 pen on the Udes and S1 is very welcome. If they nerfed that tanks pen down to 260, the tank would be considerably worse.

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Just for comparison, the only other TD with 750 alpha damage, the Rhm Borsig, has 215 pen on its AP shell.

 

The ISU should have the same. Be happy it doesn't.

 

Grind to the tier 8 chinese TD, the WZ-111-1G FT, it has 271 pen on its standard shells with 560 alpha! Nobody goes for that line... :)



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View PostLordMuffin, on 02 June 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:

Why not bring it back.
It is not like 286 pen is OP or the tank was OP with that gun at T8 anyway.

The main difference now is that you need to fire premium ammo at Type 4 and other heavy tanks instead of using standard ammo.

The 288 pen on the Udes and S1 is very welcome. If they nerfed that tanks pen down to 260, the tank would be considerably worse.

 

Exactly.

Shad0wize #26 Posted 02 June 2019 - 06:08 PM

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We should honestly give it the same gun as the Deathstar with a 5 second reload 1.3 second aiming time and 0.31 accuracy.

 

Did I forget to mention a turret?

 

I mean seriously there's nothing wrong with the tank what-so-ever, why would you need the BL-9 back?



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View PostZylon0, on 02 June 2019 - 05:40 PM, said:

 

Because the former version was more fun and one does not mind a troll gun that when if it hits you have a near guaranteed pen.

Unless your shooting at the wrong part of a tier 9 tank.

 

pre nerf type5 was more fun aswell, pre nerf bobject v4 was more fun aswell, pre nerf deathstar hesh(270 or so pen) was more fun aswell, pre nerf foch155 was more fun aswell, pre nerf wte100 was more fun aswell(list goes on). just because it was more fun doesnt justify the tank. nerfs are needed for certain tanks and then just deal with it

 

current 260 pen on isu is fine as it is, no need for higher pen



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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 02 June 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

Just for comparison, the only other TD with 750 alpha damage, the Rhm Borsig, has 215 pen on its AP shell.

 

The ISU should have the same. Be happy it doesn't.

 

Grind to the tier 8 chinese TD, the WZ-111-1G FT, it has 271 pen on its standard shells with 560 alpha! Nobody goes for that line... :)

 

The borsig is a different TD and from looking at the stats its a bad TD.

 

ISU used to have 286 pen and was considered balanced.

There where no mass complain topics that it was overpowered.

In fact the general consensus back then, was that the gun was the only good thing about the tank.

 

Only accept genuine ISU 152, when purchasing a quality TD

No chinese knockoffs like the WZ-11-1G FT, that will break down when you look at it.



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The rearrangement of that TD branch was to make the progression through ISU-152, the 704 and the 268 better and more logical. The new D4-S is still on par with the old BL-10 and more fitting on a tier 8 TD. If the tank's performance with the new gun is similar to the old one, i see no reason to change it back apart from nostalgia maybe!

 

Note: everyone who grinded through these 3 tanks benefited from the changes since they lowered the XP requirements from tier 8 to 10.



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View PostShad0wize, on 02 June 2019 - 05:08 PM, said:

We should honestly give it the same gun as the Deathstar with a 5 second reload 1.3 second aiming time and 0.31 accuracy.

 

Did I forget to mention a turret?

 

I mean seriously there's nothing wrong with the tank what-so-ever, why would you need the BL-9 back?

 

A gun and the turret you suggested was never part of the ISU 152.

 

Reasons why I want it back? I refer back to the begin of the topic.

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View Postbarison1, on 02 June 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

 

pre nerf type5 was more fun aswell, pre nerf bobject v4 was more fun aswell, pre nerf deathstar hesh(270 or so pen) was more fun aswell, pre nerf foch155 was more fun aswell, pre nerf wte100 was more fun aswell(list goes on). just because it was more fun doesnt justify the tank. nerfs are needed for certain tanks and then just deal with it

 

current 260 pen on isu is fine as it is, no need for higher pen

 

Unlike those tanks you mentioned the ISU 152 was not known for forum complaints that it was OP.

So you can not compare those.

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 02 June 2019 - 05:13 PM, said:

The rearrangement of that TD branch was to make the progression through ISU-152, the 704 and the 268 better and more logical. The new D4-S is still on par with the old BL-10 and more fitting on a tier 8 TD. If the tank's performance with the new gun is similar to the old one, i see no reason to change it back apart from nostalgia maybe!

 

Note: everyone who grinded through these 3 tanks benefited from the changes since they lowered the XP requirements from tier 8 to 10.

 

All nice and all, but i never wanted to progress past tier 8 in that line. (even if I own the tier 9)

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View PostZylon0, on 02 June 2019 - 09:13 PM, said:

All nice and all, but i never wanted to progress past tier 8 in that line. (even if I own the tier 9)

 

Except WG don't design the game around you so ask yourself this: Is the ISU still good to play or did they make it a bad tank?

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View Postbarison1, on 02 June 2019 - 06:10 PM, said:

 

pre nerf type5 was more fun aswell, pre nerf bobject v4 was more fun aswell, pre nerf deathstar hesh(270 or so pen) was more fun aswell, pre nerf foch155 was more fun aswell, pre nerf wte100 was more fun aswell(list goes on). just because it was more fun doesnt justify the tank. nerfs are needed for certain tanks and then just deal with it

 

current 260 pen on isu is fine as it is, no need for higher pen

The difference here is that ISU-152 wasn't op or broken or stupid in any way before. 

The pen nerf come from nowhere, and it wasn't needed.

 

You can argue 750 dmg is to much on T8, but this wasn't changed.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 02 June 2019 - 05:19 PM, said:

 

Except WG don't design the game around you so ask yourself this: Is the ISU still good to play or did they make it a bad tank?

 

Less fun and less effective.

It also looks like a shell of its former self with the small gun. its like half the size.

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View PostLordMuffin, on 02 June 2019 - 05:52 PM, said:

The difference here is that ISU-152 wasn't op or broken or stupid in any way before. 

The pen nerf come from nowhere, and it wasn't needed.

 

You can argue 750 dmg is to much on T8, but this wasn't changed.

 

Seems someone understands where I'm coming from.

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well its winrate is 50%, so I don`t see any point to buff it

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View Postpekpek, on 02 June 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

well its winrate is 50%, so I don`t see any point to buff it

 

Unnerf not Buff.

Restored to its former glory.

 

Buffing would be making it better then it ever was.

I am not asking for this.



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Nope, still strong to me, I two marked it after the nerf and maintained a 57% WR for 300 battles. Really, 28mm of extra pen is not that impactful, giving the BL-10 would just cause more frustration because of its trollish nature.

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View Post24doom24, on 02 June 2019 - 06:19 PM, said:

Nope, still strong to me, I two marked it after the nerf and maintained a 57% WR for 300 battles. Really, 28mm of extra pen is not that impactful, giving the BL-10 would just cause more frustration because of its trollish nature.

 

The trollish nature was part of the fun somehow.

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View PostZylon0, on 02 June 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

 

The trollish nature was part of the fun somehow.

 

Not really, you can find the same trolling bs on the Foch 155, it just ruins the fun when you miss a fully aimed shot at 75m or you track a [edited]arty.

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View Post24doom24, on 02 June 2019 - 06:26 PM, said:

 

Not really, you can find the same trolling bs on the Foch 155, it just ruins it when you miss a fully aimed shot at 75m or you track a [edited]arty.

 

To each their own, but that is what the BL10 behaved like. A fully aimed shot was missing like i dunno.. 30-40 % of the time? at least that is what if felt like.

To make up for that it had 286 pen and 750 dmg hurts.

 

In return this makes a hit feel satisfying, especially a tricky shot that connected.

I do not feel the same joy with the current version of the ISU152.



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It has 750 alpha on tier 8, it really shouldn't, so the pen nerf IMO was generous, taking 50% of the HP of most tier 8 heavies and being able to one shot tier 7 TDs and most tier 6s is just silly alpha for a tier 8.

 

As someone above said, if they weren't going to nerf the alpha to like 600, they should have nerfed the pen to 215-200 like the Borsig has, then given it a more accurate higher pen 130mm with like 550 alpha or something.

 

260 pen for 750 alpha on tier 8 is more than generous. 






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