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MyArmorIsGolden #1 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:01 PM

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im tired from arties. does it make any difference?

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barison1 #3 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:03 PM

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it does make a difference yes

 

but is it worth switching out either vents/vstab/rammer/optic for it? hell no i would say, those other equipments are better than spall liner in most cases



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Depends on what you're driving. Generally unless you're a superheavy and it's about mounting a superheavy spall liner the answer is going to be "no". According to plenty people the answer is still "No" on a superheavy 'cause they don't want to give up a more generally useful piece of equipment.

 

Key to remember is Spall Liners modify the ARMOUR reduction of a non-penetrating HE hit, not a percentage reduction of the alpha of the HE it. So if you have a spall liner that gives you 25% extra armour protection and you have a tank that has 50mm armour, you now have 62.5 armour redution. Not 62.5%, 62.5 damage points, as opposed to 50 damage points, so your slot just reduced damage from the non-penetrating HE shell by 13 points.

 

Of course if the HE shell penetrates, which is quite possible with lightly armoured vehicles, the Spall Liner does nothing at all.

 

Oh it does some marginal stun reduction too I guess.



Suurpolskija #5 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:11 PM

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View PostDorander, on 03 June 2019 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

Oh it does some marginal stun reduction too I guess.

 

And protects your crew members from injuries. 



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View PostDorander, on 03 June 2019 - 03:07 PM, said:

Depends on what you're driving. Generally unless you're a superheavy and it's about mounting a superheavy spall liner the answer is going to be "no". According to plenty people the answer is still "No" on a superheavy 'cause they don't want to give up a more generally useful piece of equipment.

 

Key to remember is Spall Liners modify the ARMOUR reduction of a non-penetrating HE hit, not a percentage reduction of the alpha of the HE it. So if you have a spall liner that gives you 25% extra armour protection and you have a tank that has 50mm armour, you now have 62.5 armour redution. Not 62.5%, 62.5 damage points, as opposed to 50 damage points, so your slot just reduced damage from the non-penetrating HE shell by 13 points.

 

Of course if the HE shell penetrates, which is quite possible with lightly armoured vehicles, the Spall Liner does nothing at all.

 

Oh it does some marginal stun reduction too I guess.

 

e75, super conq etc.

barison1 #7 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:14 PM

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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 03 June 2019 - 03:12 PM, said:

 

e75, super conq etc.

 

unless you are in CW being placed at a ridge to spot there is no use for spall liner on sconq

 

way better off using vstab/rammer/optics-vents


Edited by barison1, 03 June 2019 - 03:17 PM.


The_Naa #8 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:17 PM

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i think its good for tanks that are usually used in hull down positions or are otherwise HE magnets.

it gives that little bit of extra survivability.

spaced armor gives even more protection to this.

S.CQ -> hull down -> Spaced armor in the turret + Spall liner = God Mode?



leggasiini #9 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:27 PM

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View PostThe_Naa, on 03 June 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

i think its good for tanks that are usually used in hull down positions or are otherwise HE magnets.

it gives that little bit of extra survivability.

spaced armor gives even more protection to this.

S.CQ -> hull down -> Spaced armor in the turret + Spall liner = God Mode?

 

No, the HE just splashes to their weak engine decks and it makes no difference whatsoever. Especially if it's just a Heavy Spall Liner, not Super-Heavy. Super Conqueror has weak roof AND uses Heavy instead of Super-Heavy, which makes using Spall Liner on that just useless.

 

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The only tanks where I'd consider using Spall Liner are the Maus, Type 4 Heavy and Type 5 Heavy. Maus, mostly because not using Vertical Stabilizer is arguably an viable option (something you should never do in most tanks), leaving Spall Liner as one option. Maus does have an issue of having large engine deck that is only 50 mm thick with rear mounted turret, though. If someone hits you in the turret face, they will splash your engine deck and the damage reduction is pretty small there. Still, with the raw thickness of the Maus, Spall Liner is possibly worth to consider.

 

Type 4 and Type 5 have by far the thickest engine decks in the game (75-95 mm, depending on the area), as well as very thick all around protection (even thicker than the Maus). Because of this, a Type 5 equipped with Spall Liner is generally immune to low-caliber HE. In addition, arties with 155 mm guns are gonna do absolutely pitiful damage, and even larger caliber arties will rarely do more than 300-400. Because of all the thick spaced armor on the side and all, the Spall Liner's effectiveness is higher on the Types than on other tanks. Even then, I would probably still run optics or vents, but I 3 already marked the vehicle so I don't really see the need to absolutely maximize my damage/assist, anyway. Taking 100-200 damage from derp Type 4/5s while hitting them for 600 in return with 14cm is more hilarious :trollface:


Edited by leggasiini, 03 June 2019 - 03:28 PM.


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Do you have thick armor all around and often loose most of your HP to HE shells? Then maybe.

If your armor relies on angles mostly or just doesn exist, then no.



The_Naa #11 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:32 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 03 June 2019 - 03:27 PM, said:

 

No, the HE just splashes to their weak engine decks and it makes no difference whatsoever. Especially if it's just a Heavy Spall Liner, not Super-Heavy. Super Conqueror has weak roof AND uses Heavy instead of Super-Heavy, which makes using Spall Liner on that just useless.

 

 

true. 

what about a hit from a non SPG tank?

say. KV-2?

thats what i was going after.


Edited by The_Naa, 03 June 2019 - 03:32 PM.


Stevies_Team #12 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:34 PM

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You can do your team a favour by taking more hits and handle more attention from arty

Depending on the arty, some give up or others take a lot less HP per shot

Less stun too

 

Often you don't need a spall at all, but when you do it does help, especially if you are the key part of a blocking action and relocating isn't really an option

 

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Edited by If_I_Die_You_Die_Too, 03 June 2019 - 03:36 PM.


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View PostThe_Naa, on 03 June 2019 - 03:32 PM, said:

true. 

what about a hit from a non SPG tank?

say. KV-2?

thats what i was going after.

 

the same situation really, so yeah I only use it on super heavies on everything else it's basically pointless

 



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Unless you drive a super heavy, no. On super heavies, it's OK, especially if you want to swap med kit for food instead of fire extinguisher.

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View PostThe_Naa, on 03 June 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:

what about a hit from a non SPG tank?

say. KV-2?

thats what i was going after.

 

Doesn't really make things different, so nope



The_Naa #16 Posted 03 June 2019 - 03:56 PM

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View PostSiliconSidewinder, on 03 June 2019 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

the same situation really, so yeah I only use it on super heavies on everything else it's basically pointless

 

 

View Postleggasiini, on 03 June 2019 - 03:53 PM, said:

 

Doesn't really make things different, so nope

 

darn. :(

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I think I may maybe used a spall liner once and it was an accidental purchase. Dismounted it and sold it afterwards.

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View PostThe_Naa, on 03 June 2019 - 03:17 PM, said:

i think its good for tanks that are usually used in hull down positions or are otherwise HE magnets.

it gives that little bit of extra survivability.

spaced armor gives even more protection to this.

S.CQ -> hull down -> Spaced armor in the turret + Spall liner = God Mode?

 

No. The HE mechanics prevent these things. It would use some thin and unspaced part of the armor to calculate the damage. I still feel like the damage from he is quit random even though I know the mechanics. 

 

And no a spall liner is not an option. Maybe just maybe you could use it for vents on super heavies but a big questionmark remains.

 

Aety is a sad mechanic. Hardly anyone will argue with that. So the only thing you will hear out there is to deal with it. WG won't take actions. 



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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 03 June 2019 - 02:01 PM, said:

is superheavy spall liner worth it?

 

 

Let me fix that for you...

 

View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 03 June 2019 - 02:01 PM, said:

is [playing] superheavy [tanks] spall liner worth it?
 

 

No

 

 

 

 



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View PostMyArmorIsGolden, on 03 June 2019 - 03:01 PM, said:

im tired from arties. does it make any difference?

 

it's useful on arty

 






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