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Lil_Nas_X #1 Posted 04 June 2019 - 10:01 PM

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Thought I'd try out the King Tiger (*C). That new tier 7 premium. I actually quite like it. For those who don't know, it's essentially a fully upgraded Tiger II hull and turret with the long 88 gun from the Tiger I. The gun is slightly worse than the Tiger I in regard to DPM.

 

Anyway, it's quite a comfortable tank, but in a way like the E 75 is. Anyone with brains can take it out and it's slow... so, to me, it's not another OP premium. It's good though.

 

And that shows what's wrong with the current state of ze German heavies. We now have the 'historical' Tigers, the Tiger 131 (and the HT no VI) and the Captured KT a tier lower than the original tanks in the game. The Tiger I and II are in tier 7 and 8 with guns they didn't use historically. 

 

The Tiger II in particular hasn't been shown a lot of love. While downtiering it, slightly nerfing the stock long 88 gun, makes it actually a pretty decent tank. Isn't WG showing themselves here what's wrong with the German HT tech tree?

 

Because I think it's time they give both Tigers some love. The E 75 is fine imo, the E 100 is also a bit two sides in hmeh-ness. I'd say it's time for downtiering. 


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Actually, with this latest release I can see a possibility of downtiering Tiger I to E75 by one tier, and placing the so-called Tiger-Maus (basically E75 hull with Mauschen turret) to T9. Not likely but far chance.

Evilier_than_Skeletor #3 Posted 04 June 2019 - 10:14 PM

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I've also liked King Tiger, but obviously not enough to pay 12,99 monthly for it. Having two of those instead of a tier 6 worked surprisingly well in team battles, too.

Especially Tiger 2 could use a buff. Tiger 1 still seems borderline playable.



SnowRelic #4 Posted 04 June 2019 - 11:44 PM

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You know, when WG was testing the introduction of the Swedish Krankwagon, they were also experimenting with other overmatch mechanics. Of course, loads of people cried and WG cancelled that part (and nerfed the Swedish heavies)... but I really enjoyed driving around with a Tiger II whose roof didn't get overmatched by just about everything. 

 

View PostEvilier_than_Skeletor, on 04 June 2019 - 10:14 PM, said:

Tiger 1 still seems borderline playable.

 

Tiger (P) puts the UN in unplayable. That thing should also get some loving.



Ceeb #5 Posted 05 June 2019 - 05:24 AM

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Yeah.  I'm liking it too.  It's not fun in a tier 9 game.  But as a prime user anyway. It's a free tank. 

Zmago5000 #6 Posted 05 June 2019 - 06:12 AM

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I d say most dreadfull tank of WW2 (Koenigstiger) should be treated properly,..thus--> buff it

TankkiPoju #7 Posted 05 June 2019 - 08:10 AM

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This has been said countless times before, but Tiger II in the tech tree is there as a Free XP sink hole.

 

In other words WG won't buff it because they want people to use Free XP to get past the tank. Or in other words, Tiger 2 is crap because keeping it crap makes WG money.

 

This is the same reason why tanks like Black Prince won't be buffed, but instead WG buffed all the tanks above it.

 



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 05 June 2019 - 08:10 AM, said:

This has been said countless times before, but Tiger II in the tech tree is there as a Free XP sink hole.

 

In other words WG won't buff it because they want people to use Free XP to get past the tank. Or in other words, Tiger 2 is crap because keeping it crap makes WG money.

 

This is the same reason why tanks like Black Prince won't be buffed, but instead WG buffed all the tanks above it.

 

 

Make special premium Tiger2 with 3D skin and buffed tier8,  and sell it then for €..I bet it would sell well

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The Tiger 1 and E75 are fine where they are.

 

E75 would be OP as all hell on tier 8, the VK 1001 P is already OP, and the E75 has more armour than that. 

 

Only really the Tiger 2 is problematic, E100 will probably be fine if these premium ammo changes come in. 



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View PostZmago5000, on 05 June 2019 - 08:15 AM, said:

 

Make special premium Tiger2 with 3D skin and buffed tier8,  and sell it then for €..I bet it would sell well

 

Well, maybe WG will do that. But Tiger 2 in the tech tree would still be bad, WG wont touch that.

 

Just compare T-44-100 with T-44. T-44-100 is just better in everything because reasons.



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It is a good heavy tank. Reliable armour against same tier and lower, also against some of tier 8 tanks. Reliable gun with really good pen for its tier.

 

It is easy to have good games and earn +90k credits on it.

 

I like it, and as a prime user I'm happy I will have it on my garage for quite some time.



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View PostZmago5000, on 05 June 2019 - 07:15 AM, said:

 

Make special premium Tiger2 with 3D skin and buffed tier8,  and sell it then for €..I bet it would sell well

 

I was planning on buying the T7 KT ever since i saw the first supertest pictures, but sadly they made it a US tank and a Twitch exclusive. 



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View Posttajj7, on 05 June 2019 - 08:16 AM, said:

The Tiger 1 and E75 are fine where they are.

 

E75 would be OP as all hell on tier 8, the VK 1001 P is already OP, and the E75 has more armour than that. 

 

Only really the Tiger 2 is problematic, E100 will probably be fine if these premium ammo changes come in. 

 

The E 75 is arguably the most balanced tank of the entire tech tree. The Tiger I is hmeh, if you know how to play it it's fun, but it suffers against higher tiers imo. Plus, seeing how good a tier VII King Tiger can be, I'll be not too shabby in downtiering it.

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View PostLil_Nas_X, on 05 June 2019 - 12:10 PM, said:

 

The E 75 is arguably the most balanced tank of the entire tech tree. The Tiger I is hmeh, if you know how to play it it's fun, but it suffers against higher tiers imo. Plus, seeing how good a tier VII King Tiger can be, I'll be not too shabby in downtiering it.

 

I think the Tiger 1 is probably better against higher tiers because even with 'tier 8 armour' we all know the Tiger 2 armour doesn't work against most tier 8s, let alone tier 9s, so both get penned easily, but the Tiger 1 is more mobile, has more HP and pumps out more shots so when it gets opportunities in support itll do more reliably damage. 

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Both Tigers I and II are really snipers not brawlers and as such should be used in second line. Tiger (P) is or should be different because of it's frontal armour however with the current premium ammo makes it next to useless unless at the top of the team list  If used correctly they are all good tanks that just need a little bit of love from WG to bring them back to where they should be. The influx of op premium tanks at tier 8 have not helped either.

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Tiger II was a good tank before Wargaming started buffing the accuracy of all tanks in this game in 2014 (?), the corridor map design, obstruction of clear firing lines etc. so now pretty much any tank is a viable sniper and the Tiger II lost it's role as great long range sniper.

 

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Indeed, the Tiger 131 and King Tiger shows how these vehicles should have been matched.   Putting non-historical guns on it, required the tanks to sit one tier higher, and as a result, their armor means nothing anymore.   With the proper gun, they can go one tier lower, and suddenly that armor actually means something. 

 



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View PostAnthony_1972, on 07 June 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

Indeed, the Tiger 131 and King Tiger shows how these vehicles should have been matched.   Putting non-historical guns on it, required the tanks to sit one tier higher, and as a result, their armor means nothing anymore.   With the proper gun, they can go one tier lower, and suddenly that armor actually means something. 

 

 

Agreed, the premium Tiger at T6 with the gun it would have had and not the proposed gun it might have had just looks so good, it's weak armor is a little more effective and it hurts like a Tiger we would have come to expect from our preconceptions before downloading the game and not the redline hp pinata auto pen Pinocchio we get with the tier7 tech tree version which see's mostly always next gen tanks that just own it more often than not. Tbh, it would be nice if the T6 premium version was pref MM so it never see's a Defender or something OP and broken like that and with it's flat weak armor I would see this tank as a perfect pref MM tank since even tier4 tanks can punch through it frontally. 

 

King Tiger, stunning looking tank love it, sad not to have got it but that's how it is. From playing against it with tanks of lower and higher tiers than it I can say it performs well and it's armor hold up well too against most the tanks it fights, again, pref MM would be nice for this tank too and it has a big ol lower plate so again, even T5 tanks can punch through, some might need a little dap of the 2 key but ya, what would you expect frontally against a top tier heavy, needs to be a reason to play a heavy and if not for it's armor, then what. Lovely looking tanks both of those and like you said, they have a much more historically accurate look that we would have come to expect and love from war docs etc and being 1 tier lower than their tech tree alternatives, they actually have that sort of strong performance that would be more fitting for these iconic tanks in more battles than they would have 1 tier higher. 



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View PostLil_Nas_X, on 04 June 2019 - 10:01 PM, said:

 

The Tiger II in particular hasn't been shown a lot of love. While downtiering it, slightly nerfing the stock long 88 gun, makes it actually a pretty decent tank. Isn't WG showing themselves here what's wrong with the German HT tech tree?

 

 

How dare you? WG has always been loving the Tiger II! I remember in the early days they even upsized the model. Well, due to historical reasons ofc :trollface:

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Tiger 1 being in the same tier as an is or an is-2 and tiger 2 being in the same tier as an is-3 just historically doesn't make much sense to me even if they got non historical guns. Tiger 1 is decent for its tier but feels just artificially buffed with its HP and dmp. The Tiger 131 to me feels much more like a real tiger. The tiger 2 is just crap at tier 8 and should not be on the same tier as an is-3 IMO.




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