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Riggerby #1 Posted 05 June 2019 - 08:23 PM

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When i look at the tanks ingame, it seems as though most of the ones which will struggle the most with gold being less competitive are the Soviet Hovermeds which sacrifice pen for DPM, Whereas most of the NATO tanks have great penning standard ammo. 

 

Do you think these proposed changes will swing the meta abit from its current Russian Med dominance to making things like Patton/CAX/30b etc etc etc the stronger tanks ?. 



Japualtah #2 Posted 05 June 2019 - 09:34 PM

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30B...

 

30B ?

 

30B ????

 

ROFLMAO!



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View PostJapualtah, on 05 June 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

30B...

 

30B ?

 

30B ????

 

ROFLMAO!

 

Im obviously talking entirely from a gun perspective. Surely if pen values remain the same, Tanks like.. T54 will find them selves dealing alot less damage with their HEAT spam relative to an Amx30 with its standard APCR. 

Gremlin182 #4 Posted 05 June 2019 - 09:55 PM

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I need to play on the sandbox a lot more before I can form an opinion.

You have to grind your way up the tiers its taking a long time and the chances of me getting any time at all in the higher tiers is fairly remote.

Because they wanted to test out the changes at all tiers we have to spend time in lower tiers where gold use if pretty limited.

 

I wanted to see how tier 6 7 8 play out where there are tanks with good armour and I can decide if a higher damage standard shell works as well as a lower damage premium shell.

We only have a week to test it all, I will probably get one tank to tier 8 really wanted to test an autoloader see how the changes affect Light tanks as well as

TDs heavies and mediums.



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View PostJapualtah, on 05 June 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

30B...

 

30B ?

 

30B ????

 

ROFLMAO!

 



vixu #6 Posted 05 June 2019 - 10:25 PM

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View PostRiggerby, on 05 June 2019 - 08:23 PM, said:

When i look at the tanks ingame, it seems as though most of the ones which will struggle the most with gold being less competitive are the Soviet Hovermeds which sacrifice pen for DPM, Whereas most of the NATO tanks have great penning standard ammo. 

 

Do you think these proposed changes will swing the meta abit from its current Russian Med dominance to making things like Patton/CAX/30b etc etc etc the stronger tanks ?. 

 

it will give some grounds back to heavies as well.

ExclamationMark #7 Posted 05 June 2019 - 10:26 PM

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Russia? Nerf? LOL.

Japualtah #8 Posted 05 June 2019 - 10:44 PM

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AMX 30B has 248 pen mate, that would be great at tier VIII, and its gold ammo is 300, barely workable.

Not forgetting it has no armor, is the size of a barn and turns like a boat.

 

It will take much more to bring that kind of NATO tank up to Russian standards.



Nexuss9383 #9 Posted 05 June 2019 - 11:16 PM

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LOL no its the complete opposite apart from its not the meds its the heavys - the is7 on the sandbox is a monster - more hp way more alpha so he can brawl for longer and hurt more

Zylon0 #10 Posted 05 June 2019 - 11:23 PM

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You do realize there was no NATO during WW2? (established in 1949)

Same for PACT. (established in 1955)

 

Yeah yeah there are a few post war tanks in WoT.

Now that I get reminded. Where are the tier 11 12 13 etc tanks?

 

Get rid of the RNG like in warthunder and add ERA and guided missiles.

"starts the engines of the T72"


Edited by Zylon0, 05 June 2019 - 11:24 PM.


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View PostRiggerby, on 05 June 2019 - 07:23 PM, said:

 

Do you think these proposed changes will swing the meta abit from its current Russian Med dominance to making things like Patton/CAX/30b etc etc etc the stronger tanks ?. 

 

:D:D:D

 

30b stronk tenku :trollface:



WindSplitter1 #12 Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:23 AM

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View Postvixu, on 05 June 2019 - 09:25 PM, said:

it will give some grounds back to heavies as well.

 

The problem is that they already have it and have too much.

 

The focus should be to take their excess.



pecopad #13 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:41 AM

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Most of the NATO tanks Meds have the L7 gun...with 268 pen, except on the 30B which has 248... why... nobody can explain... OBJ 140 has 264 pen and 3K DPM, 430U has 252 pen and 2,7 K DPM.

 

 

I don't know how you can make Nato tanks compete with Russian med tanks, probably only reducing RNG. Russian have much lower profile and better armor in general, which is very hard to counter in a game.

 

Its like a gun fight between Rambo and a small Vietnamese...Contrary to Hollywood myth, being small is actually a very good advantage in a battlefield with range weapons...


Edited by pecopad, 06 June 2019 - 10:44 AM.


Karasu_Hidesuke #14 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:43 AM

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Why.... would a Belorus company nerf Russian tanks while buffing Nato ones?.... :mellow:

pecopad #15 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:45 AM

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View PostKarasu_Hidesuke, on 06 June 2019 - 10:43 AM, said:

Why.... would a Belorus company nerf Russian tanks while buffing Nato ones?.... :mellow:

 

Yes, when most of the players like German tanks....specially the paying customers... But the would never buff Nato, Germany only... look at the Leopard changes.

Edited by pecopad, 06 June 2019 - 10:46 AM.


KillingJoker #16 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:56 AM

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Been away from the game and forum for a couple days due to work, and when i return it looks like it have been passing a year... 

 

i am confused as hell with all these topics... anyway.. i am downloading the test server already to check whats going on



WinnieANKA #17 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:57 AM

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I don't really care about nations in WoT. They are all Russian tanks since it's a Russian game. For example, e50 is 100% fake tank designed by Russian game developer SerB. The fact you can see the German cross on it doesn't really change that.  It's only a gaaame, why you heff d waaary abaaat daat?

Geno1isme #18 Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:00 AM

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View Postpecopad, on 06 June 2019 - 11:45 AM, said:

Yes, when most of the players like German tanks....specially the paying customers..

 

Unlikely when probably over 60% of the playerbase are russian.

KillingJoker #19 Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:02 AM

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I am now watching DEZ gamez video about the ammo changes and tanks hit points and this is quite a big change to the game, it will completely change the dynamic of the game...

 

We have been playing with minor adjustments for so long and now suddenly we have a huge changes in ammunition  numbers and hitpoints... insane

 

this ia  high rrisk move by the devs in my opinion, i was expecting just an alpha damage nerf on premium rounds, i was not expecting this type of changes, like more alpha damage on AP and bigger hit points for general armored tanks... quite a change, i have to test it



Geno1isme #20 Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:36 AM

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View PostKillingJoker, on 06 June 2019 - 12:02 PM, said:

I am now watching DEZ gamez video about the ammo changes and tanks hit points and this is quite a big change to the game, it will completely change the dynamic of the game...

 

We have been playing with minor adjustments for so long and now suddenly we have a huge changes in ammunition  numbers and hitpoints... insane

 

It's very unlikely that change will be implemented on the live server unmodified. Heck, I doubt the change will be implemented at all, WG is just creating this "test" so they can tell us that they tried when we tell them how retarded the new "plan" is.

For example they didn't even notice that their changes resulted in T5 lights having literally LESS HP than their T4 predecessors, so apparently nobody even really looked at the values they want to be "tested".

 

A couple years ago they already "tested" a complete overhaul of all T10 tanks on the very first sandbox server, where basically every single stat was changed significantly, some mechanics were adjusted (massive increase in penetration dropoff over distance, first version of stun mechanic, "special" ammo only for gold).

 

Don't have to mention that it was a complete disaster. They made several adjustments during the test that turned their previous changes upside down in some cases. And the only thing of that test that made it to the liveserver years later was the stun mechanic in a very modified (nerfed) form.






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