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FreeBird_ #1 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:10 AM

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Hi there

Recently i had a battle in which guy just randomly took 5 shoots in to the long bushes 3 of them had landed.

I had sixth sense, was undetected scout in bush, and i have no idea how this could have happened. thhttp://wotreplays.eu..._hpanzer_ru_251

could you pls help me, cose i have no idea what have just happened.



ExclamationMark #2 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:13 AM

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Yes, to both.



Dava_117 #3 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:15 AM

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No cheat can do that, because unspotted vehicles location is an information not shared by the server. 

But if you were in an obvious location, he may have just blindfired. Did the same a lot and sometimes I even killed something.


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8126Jakobsson #4 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:17 AM

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That was a heavy tank that have gotten tired of getting spotted and shot at when driving to town. Nowadays he just stops half way and fires where the perpetrators always hang. 

arthurwellsley #5 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:25 AM

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View PostFreeBird_, on 06 June 2019 - 08:10 AM, said:

Hi there

Recently i had a battle in which guy just randomly took 5 shoots in to the long bushes 3 of them had landed.

I had sixth sense, was undetected scout in bush, and i have no idea how this could have happened. thhttp://wotreplays.eu..._hpanzer_ru_251

could you pls help me, cose i have no idea what have just happened.

 

1. If I have nothing to fire at early battle then I will "blind shoot" the obvious bushes that players frequently sit in.

 

2. It always pleases me looking at after game results page to see that some of my "blind shoots" have increased my damage output. It is very satisfying.

 

3. Although a minority of players "blind shoot" they tend to be the more dangerous ones who think specifically about how they can be useful even where other players see no obvious way to do damage.



Tyburn #6 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:32 AM

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As a predominately LT player I am ALWAYS conscious of good players blind shooting my favourite spotting bushes. Pretty much every other game I get a blind shot at me.

No cheat. Players know the bushes.

FreeBird_ #7 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:41 AM

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ok im like 95 percent sure that it was a cheat, just watch replay from other side, look at ST1 behavior

http://wotreplays.eu...4f6e3fd1c126449

it stops right at the moment when my tank arives at this bush and just fires

like 5 times

At exact same moment my tank arrives, i have no idea now....



Steve8066 #8 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:44 AM

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View PostFreeBird_, on 06 June 2019 - 09:41 AM, said:

ok im like 95 percent sure that it was a cheat, just watch replay from other side, look at ST1 behavior

http://wotreplays.eu...4f6e3fd1c126449

it stops right at the moment when my tank arives at this bush and just fires

like 5 times

At exact same moment my tank arrives, i have no idea now....

 

because you were in a battle where 6th sense didnt work, it happens often.

Cobra6 #9 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:45 AM

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The skill is called: Common Sense

 

If you are in a scouting bush, frequently people will blind-fire that bush as there is almost always a tank in there. 

Also, if THEIR sixth sense goes off they know they are being spotted so they might fire at obvious scouting bushes.

 

One of the most important things to not do in scouts is to go to obvious spotting bushes early on in the match when there enemy has no-one to shoot at as they are very likely to "waste" shots firing into bushes randomly.

It's much smarter to try and counter enemy scouts at the start and then do more passive spotting later.

 

Unless you are a very skilled player who knows about exact positioning, trigonometry (to predict shot angles) or are in a very small tank like the ELC EVEN90 which will be missed due to shots flying over.

 

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FreeBird_ #10 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:45 AM

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View PostSteve8066, on 06 June 2019 - 08:44 AM, said:

 

because you were in a battle where 6th sense didnt work, it happens often.

 

NO i just uploaded replay from enemy team, i wasnt spotted

Dava_117 #11 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:46 AM

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View PostFreeBird_, on 06 June 2019 - 09:41 AM, said:

ok im like 95 percent sure that it was a cheat, just watch replay from other side, look at ST1 behavior

http://wotreplays.eu...4f6e3fd1c126449

it stops right at the moment when my tank arives at this bush and just fires

like 5 times

At exact same moment my tank arrives, i have no idea now....

 

Do you stream?

If not, there is no way the enemy ST-I can know your location if you are unspotted. His client get only the information needed and unspotted tank location is not necessary. 



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View PostFreeBird_, on 06 June 2019 - 09:45 AM, said:

 

NO i just uploaded replay from enemy team, i wasnt spotted

 

how do you know you werent spotted?

4nt #13 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:49 AM

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You do know that when shell doesn't hit anything, it will produce a plume of dirt? Particularily big guns (over 75mm) have very visible effect when hitting ground on medium and upward settings. No plume, you have hit something in bush. That's how I test the Waters, so to speak.

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View PostExclamationMark, on 06 June 2019 - 08:13 AM, said:

Yes, to both.

 



FreeBird_ #15 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:55 AM

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View PostSteve8066, on 06 June 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

 

how do you know you werent spotted?

watch replay, and see it from enemy perspective (second link that i provided) he moves his turret (ST-1) in coresponding manner as my tank moves.

"You do know that when shell doesn't hit anything, it will produce a plume of dirt? Particularily big guns (over 75mm) have very visible effect when hitting ground on medium and upward settings. No plume, you have hit something in bush. That's "

yes but if your enemy is on top of the hill behind bush then there will be no visual effect regardless



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View PostSteve8066, on 06 June 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

 

how do you know you werent spotted?

 

Because on the enemy team's 110's replay his tank never appears. He is correct, he wasn't spotted.

 

What OP did do is give away his position by firing at the IS-3. The ST-I, who is also never spotted so doesn't rely on his own sixth sense, has a clear view of the IS-3 being shot and the only possible location that can happen from on that map, is that bush. He did stop early so he was probably planning to hit the typical early scout that goes there, got confirmation, and started firing till he eventually gets the kill.



HaZardeur #17 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:57 AM

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There is a cheat... its called WoT_common_sense.exe

UrQuan #18 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:00 AM

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View PostFreeBird_, on 06 June 2019 - 09:45 AM, said:

 

NO i just uploaded replay from enemy team, i wasnt spotted

 

Remember, the other can have sixth sense too. On certain maps it is very easy to tell which bush a light is sitting in when Sixth sense goes off. On highway by example, if I get spotted while crossing a certain spot, I know someone is sitting in that bush at the river & I shoot that bush.

Prokorovka, when I approach the lone rock (with the tiger wreck) I can give a good guess where the light sits when i get spotted. bonus, the approach from the rock means i get to shoot the bush sideways, so i have more chance of hitting the unspotted tank.

 

In the replays you provided, from the red team viewpoint, it is hard to tell what occurred. ST-I stops in the back & sits there & turns his turret to your location, after the IS-3 got shot (so seems he got ticked off by that)

From your replay, you did sit in a very obvious bush. The IS-3 got spotted & you shot it, which ticked off the ST-I on your location. Not many locations where you can remain unspotted. What probably helped is that he noticed his shell stopped in the void, so he knew he just had to shoot again till his shells were no longer stopped in the void.

 

Imo, you got very unlucky by encountering a person who was very aware of his surroundings. that bush on Fisherman's bay, right next to the ruins is pretty obvious tho. My advice would been to have stayed away from that spot after you got first hit. Or better yet, not shoot that fast, shooting can give away your location, even when not spotted.


Edited by UrQuan, 06 June 2019 - 10:13 AM.


Gremlin182 #19 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:06 AM

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When I know I have been spotted I immediately start looking for where the spotter might be and thanks to changes on some maps it has become easier.

There is actually a mod that's legal and it marks on the minimap ideal sites for Arty TD and I think Light tanks to go to.

Its great you know just where to shoot to kill them and where not to go when you are them.

 

 

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Stevies_Team #20 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:11 AM

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Guess shots are common and are usually aimed at favourite hiding spots

 

I do it a lot, especially if I'm on boring camping duties and covering a flank etc

 

Some tanks have 50+ cheap standard rounds and you can poop off a dozen times with no real credit penalty

 

If the shell "disappears" before it hits the ground then you hit someone


Edited by If_I_Die_You_Die_Too, 06 June 2019 - 10:14 AM.






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