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Riggerby #1 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:17 AM

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 > 3547 Average damage, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER.

> 67.17% Average Winrate, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER. 5.23% HIGHER THAN THE NEXT HIGHEST TANK! (The OP T22 Med which was nerfed for being too OP....)

> 2647 Average WN8, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER. 

 

Its immortal to all tier 8s.

Its immortal to 95% of tier 9's

Its immortal 90% of tier X unless they fire HEAT from a higher elevation at its UFP. 
Its gun is absolutely disgustingly good

Its mobility is brilliant.

 

Nerf this game ruining BS into the ground. It outperforms everything in everyway, Why does WG insist on giving stupidly ridiculously broken tanks to the very very very best players in the community, Its just absolutely ******* brutal on the average joes in pub battles. This tank is genuinely more broken than WTAufE100. Atleast Waffle was killable...



pallie_the_artillerist #2 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:35 AM

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Mobility is not brilliant. Its winrate and DPG are high because only very strong players have it.

 

I agree it needs bit of a nerf, probably just nerf the gun handling a bit.



Riggerby #3 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:39 AM

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View Postpallie_the_artillerist, on 06 June 2019 - 09:35 AM, said:

probably just nerf the gun handling a bit.

 

You're joking right?.... How does nerfing the gun handling help all the Tier 8's and 9's which will NEVER be able to penetrate this thing? How does it help 75% of the tier 10's which will never be able to pen this thing without loading gold?. It needs a frontal weakspot. Right now its just stupidly dumb op armour. No tank in the game has this amount of armour without a massive tradeoff elsewhere, Its not even like you can flank this thing as its more mobile then the things which will need to flank it!. 



arthurwellsley #4 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:48 AM

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View PostRiggerby, on 06 June 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:

 > 3547 Average damage, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER.

> 67.17% Average Winrate, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER. 5.23% HIGHER THAN THE NEXT HIGHEST TANK! (The OP T22 Med which was nerfed for being too OP....)

> 2647 Average WN8, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER. 

 

Its immortal to all tier 8s.

Its immortal to 95% of tier 9's

Its immortal 90% of tier X unless they fire HEAT from a higher elevation at its UFP. 
Its gun is absolutely disgustingly good

Its mobility is brilliant.

 

Nerf this game ruining BS into the ground. It outperforms everything in everyway, Why does WG insist on giving stupidly ridiculously broken tanks to the very very very best players in the community, Its just absolutely ******* brutal on the average joes in pub battles. This tank is genuinely more broken than WTAufE100. Atleast Waffle was killable...

 

1. The pool of 279e tanks on EU server is tiny. wotnews suggests that there are 995 on the server. Source = http://wot-news.com/.../tankinfo/en/eu

 

2. The assumption is therefore that only the very best players on the server actually own it. It has been played for 109,954 games with a win rate of 65.28%.

 

3. But look at the top ten win rate owners of it, they do even better ( hint spot the players who are in clan FAME) (first column is number of games won, second column is number of games played);

The best players by the percentage of wins

 
1 GoTard_CarryBarry 76.57% 232 303
2 Emilia_FV 76.01% 995 1 309
3 PaPaPawian 75.86% 264 348
4 Type5gud 75.08% 247 329
5 Der_Mittelfranke 73.67% 235 319
6 SpartA_1ah1 73.14% 305 417
7 marty_vole 72.9% 304 417
8 Kack_Specht 72.64% 231 318
9 PL_Tomek_Tankista_PLman 71.99% 748 1 039
10 nikod 71.63% 298 416

Edited by arthurwellsley, 06 June 2019 - 09:49 AM.


Sowa_95 #5 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:04 AM

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View PostRiggerby, on 06 June 2019 - 09:17 AM, said:

 > 3547 Average damage, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER.

> 67.17% Average Winrate, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER. 5.23% HIGHER THAN THE NEXT HIGHEST TANK! (The OP T22 Med which was nerfed for being too OP....)

> 2647 Average WN8, THE HIGHEST ON THE ENTIRE SERVER.

 

Its a good tank for good players. I don't have it, but at the same time I don't mind reward tank actually beeing a reward.

Geno1isme #6 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:04 AM

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View PostArthurwellsley, on 06 June 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

2. The assumption is therefore that only the very best players on the server actually own it.

 

Yes and no: Not necessarily the best, but the most dedicated players. Pretty sure the average 279 owner has like 50k battles or more and dozens of T10 tanks, including multiple CW rewards already.

pecopad #7 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:14 AM

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Pair any Op tank, with an Op player, running OP crews, food and directives and the difference will just be huge...

 

Its like having an NBA player playing against high schoolers..

 

This tank should just be T10 only, and CW tanks should only play in team battles.



ValkyrionX #8 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:18 AM

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have you ever played this tank?

 

obviously not, it has a frontal armor that is out of the ordinary , but it is as slow as a goat , having 4 series of tracks you are easy to immobilized forever , it does not have a good gun depression , its ammunition hold is very weak as the fuel tank can easily catch fire if the opponent knows where to shoot, also the lateral armor is non-existent if compared to that of an is7 or an is4 and often its slowness literally forces you to chase the game in the fastest matches and in the fastest actions remaining behind your faster allies.

moreover, the driver and the gunner are injured with impressive ease even with relatively low HE damage.


The obj260 is definitely superior in everything as it is a decidedly more versartile vehicle than the obj279e , it is a strong tank against tier 8 and 9 but it is nothing exceptional against tier X vehicles.


Edited by ValkyrionX, 06 June 2019 - 10:23 AM.


WinnieANKA #9 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:40 AM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 06 June 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

 

1. The pool of 279e tanks on EU server is tiny. wotnews suggests that there are 995 on the server. Source = http://wot-news.com/.../tankinfo/en/eu

 

2. The assumption is therefore that only the very best players on the server actually own it. It has been played for 109,954 games with a win rate of 65.28%.

 

3. But look at the top ten win rate owners of it, they do even better ( hint spot the players who are in clan FAME) (first column is number of games won, second column is number of games played);

The best players by the percentage of wins

 
1 GoTard_CarryBarry 76.57% 232 303
2 Emilia_FV 76.01% 995 1 309
3 PaPaPawian 75.86% 264 348
4 Type5gud 75.08% 247 329
5 Der_Mittelfranke 73.67% 235 319
6 SpartA_1ah1 73.14% 305 417
7 marty_vole 72.9% 304 417
8 Kack_Specht 72.64% 231 318
9 PL_Tomek_Tankista_PLman 71.99% 748 1 039
10 nikod 71.63% 298 416

 

Lets compare. For example Emilia_FV (you can check her Youtube channel). Obj 279e is her most played tank and she does by far the most dmg in it. In fact almost 1k more dmg than on average in all other tier X tanks she played. I say that's extremely OP.

TankkiPoju #10 Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:43 AM

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Well, isn't it great all the people want premium ammo nerfed :)

 

That will surely nerf 279e!



Zodiac1960s #11 Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:55 AM

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Compare this thing to the Type 5. Just do it..

arthurwellsley #12 Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:18 PM

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View PostWinnieANKA, on 06 June 2019 - 09:40 AM, said:

 

Lets compare. For example Emilia_FV (you can check her Youtube channel). Obj 279e is her most played tank and she does by far the most dmg in it. In fact almost 1k more dmg than on average in all other tier X tanks she played. I say that's extremely OP.

 

I had never heard of her before.

I went to her channel.

She has three marked the Object 279e!

She has posted a recent game with it.

If you watch the gameplay (a) her allies assist her at the beginning, (b) she plays it well with the positions she takes, and (c.) the enemies towards the end make bad decsisions and feed her their HP.

 


Edited by arthurwellsley, 06 June 2019 - 12:18 PM.


ValkyrionX #13 Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:23 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 06 June 2019 - 11:43 AM, said:

 

Well, isn't it great all the people want premium ammo nerfed :)

 

That will surely nerf 279e!

 

or maus, type 5, is7, t95/fv4001 , 268v4 , SConq etc etc etc :)

Edited by ValkyrionX, 06 June 2019 - 12:23 PM.


TankkiPoju #14 Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:27 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 06 June 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

She has three marked the Object 279e!

 

I find this incredibly hard to believe.

 

Everyone knows there are no women on internet.



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View Postpallie_the_artillerist, on 06 June 2019 - 09:35 AM, said:

Mobility is not brilliant. Its winrate and DPG are high because only very strong players have it.

 

I agree it needs bit of a nerf, probably just nerf the gun handling a bit.

 

Nerf your brain if you think gun is the problem.

 

It is a tier X tank , with a medium-heavy tank moving speed , e100 hull , is-7 turret , T-22 design of hull , picking corners like an complete idiot and go away with it cuz you cant get track + dmg.

 

They should lower the Upplate armor by 10-20 mm , or add a viewport or something to the hull , they only way you can penetrate it is with 300+ mm of HEAT, APCR bounce as hell , Ap may have a chance , but pen is low .

I have friends that are ~2k wn8 , and they have 3.5k average on 279 , while on other tier X HT they have like 2,5k.


Edited by Artick_, 06 June 2019 - 12:31 PM.


ValkyrionX #16 Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:37 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 06 June 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

 

I had never heard of her before.

I went to her channel.

She has three marked the Object 279e!

She has posted a recent game with it.

If you watch the gameplay (a) her allies assist her at the beginning, (b) she plays it well with the positions she takes, and (c.) the enemies towards the end make bad decsisions and feed her their HP.

 

 

 

this should prove that 279 is op?

 

 

in terms of damage in a single game in the random battles I set my record with obj279e with a damage 8967

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4789838#malinovka-valkyrionx-object_279

 

Spoiler

 

followed by other tanks with which I approached almost 9000 damage per game .. according to me this replay only proves that emilia_fv is a player out of the ordinary..nothing more

 

you can find replays of many other tanks with damage even greater than 12k per game



Geno1isme #17 Posted 06 June 2019 - 01:30 PM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 06 June 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

this should prove that 279 is op?

 

you can find replays of many other tanks with damage even greater than 12k per game

 

Single battle results are irrelevant indeed. But just look at your own average stats at T10: With the 279 you have 3350 DPG and a 66% winrate. All your other T10 tanks (including the Chieftain, 260 and 907) have at least 10% worse results, you're not even close to 3k DPG on any techtree tank. Compared to other russian T10 heavies it's like 40% more damage and 10% higher WR.

 

In fact the 279 has the second highest WR on all your tanks with over 50 battles across all tiers, only second to the Chimera (but with just 94 battles that number isn't that reliable).

 

You still want to argue that this isn't OP at all?


Edited by Geno1isme, 06 June 2019 - 01:35 PM.


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Perhaps I should play mine regularly and reduce these elevated stats a bit 

Sfinski #19 Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:11 PM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 06 June 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

have you ever played this tank?

 

obviously not, it has a frontal armor that is out of the ordinary , but it is as slow as a goat , having 4 series of tracks you are easy to immobilized forever , it does not have a good gun depression , its ammunition hold is very weak as the fuel tank can easily catch fire if the opponent knows where to shoot, also the lateral armor is non-existent if compared to that of an is7 or an is4 and often its slowness literally forces you to chase the game in the fastest matches and in the fastest actions remaining behind your faster allies.

moreover, the driver and the gunner are injured with impressive ease even with relatively low HE damage.


The obj260 is definitely superior in everything as it is a decidedly more versartile vehicle than the obj279e , it is a strong tank against tier 8 and 9 but it is nothing exceptional against tier X vehicles.

 

Why do you do 800 less damage on average and win 10% less in a superior tank(260)? You got near 500 games on 279 and near 900 games on 260, so small sample size doesnt really work anymore...



vasilinhorulezz #20 Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:18 PM

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Chieftain and 279 became probably reward tanks, because they were to OP to be in the tech tree, so not all people can get them.

Just a guess.






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