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DangerMouse #41 Posted 09 June 2019 - 02:42 PM

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Random player I had in a game today,spot the OP ones in his profile!



Strizi #42 Posted 09 June 2019 - 06:57 PM

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279 and Chieftain are one level above Super Conqueror and similar friends and those need a nerf already so i would nerf these 2 big time.... But dont worry everything is fine, wg is always right and these tanks are balanced.

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View PostDangerMouse, on 09 June 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

Random player I had in a game today,spot the OP ones in his profile!

 

Biased example, doesn't prove anything.

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View PostExclamationMark, on 09 June 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

 

Biased example, doesn't prove anything.

 

What's biased, the guy was playing in his 279, he lost BTW but was top on damage by quite some margin, thought I would have a look at his profile, he is an above average player, miles off being a Unicum though. And does considerably better in the tanks we all know are OP.

 

Obj430U, Obj260 and Obj279.



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Biased is you provided a very small sample of tanks to give the impression that those are the only tanks that they can play well in.

Post their name here, if not that then their full list of T10 stats, otherwise it is biased selection just to try prove your point (which I'm not arguing against, BTW).

That and the 140 and IS7 are very old tanks, the others (260 aside) are not.



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Got a proposal, rather than nerfing them make all these tanks (Obj 279, Obj 907, FV4201 etc.) clanwar-locked - that is, either you play them in clanwar, or you can't play them at all.

WG rewarding the top performers of their game is fine. When this leads to onesided landslides where a single tank can decide the outcome of a match well [edited]you, even someone with no knowledge of the game can see this is very toxic and unhealthy.

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View PostExclamationMark, on 09 June 2019 - 06:54 PM, said:

Biased is you provided a very small sample of tanks to give the impression that those are the only tanks that they can play well in.

Post their name here, if not that then their full list of T10 stats, otherwise it is biased selection just to try prove your point (which I'm not arguing against, BTW).

That and the 140 and IS7 are very old tanks, the others (260 aside) are not.

 

Fair point, but can't post his name you know that :) 

 

Was trying to show apple with apples, his other TX tanks that had significant games were all around the 50% WR mark.



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View PostDangerMouse, on 09 June 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

Fair point, but can't post his name you know that :) 

 

Yes you can. That rule only applies to naming and shaming, as far as I'm aware.



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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 07 June 2019 - 11:27 AM, said:

Yes, it's very strong, but based on my ranked experience, it's only strong kicking puppies in randoms. Once you get into competitive environment it's no longer that good. 

 

Also, an interesting observation from ranked...I see a lot of 50% WR, 1500 WN8 players driving this thing in ranked. Some of them with less than 25k battles. I wonder how much they paid someone on ebay to grind it for them. 

 

It is still probably the second best performing tank in ranked and from my experience, its played far more dumbly than the T95s are, T95s are massively strong but they die quickly if they get caught out, 279es do not, I have seen several of them just sit in the open and take a hell of beating against experienced players who are all spam premium ammo.

 

No tier 10 heavy has a hull/turret combo that is that good, and its a massive advantage, it can sit on top of a ridge, not hull down and still reliably bounce like 90% of tier 10 premium ammo, whilst fighting back with 440 alpha, 340 pen HEAT with good DPM and decent gun handling. 

 

I've also faced a few of them in CWs as well, again with multiple very experienced players shooting at it and again if they player knows what they are doing they can just sit there and you'll bounce the majority of your shots. 

 

Considering its far more forgiving than the T95, I'd say its by far the most OP tank in the game right now and needs a heavy nerf.

 

The T95 is also OP as all hell, but at least if it has to push in the open, you can bleed it of HP reliably because of that lower plate, 279e is like a better Type 5 in that respect, its frontal armour is basically better than anything in the game. 



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confirmed not OP :(

 



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It isnt OP in ranked because everyone spams "special" ammo in ranked and most of the people know where to shoot it, also you cant really chase damage with it at the end, I would prefer Chieftain over it in ranked. 

On the other hand, in randoms you dont get 100% "special" ammo shot at you mixed up with some HE rounds, as well as the average skill of the random pubbie is quite a bit lower, as well as you meet tier8s and 9s who are hopeless against a 279e...combine this with smart positioning and wohooops, you get an OP tank, even if its slow, even if it can be easily tracked, even if it can be ammoracked easily or even if the fuel tanks are weak. It completely destroys competitive balance as well as if your FC is smart, you can be placed in a position where you are invulnerable to everything excluding HE and arty and if the enemy needs to push into you, well, than they will get farmed. A pair of it completely closes down a flank even in competitive with some covering fire and I dont really want to imagine CW meta becoming full of 279es but on closed maps thats the future and on open maps more and more are being used as more and more players get it. 

Yes, its slow, its repair speed is also slow and it has a weak ammo rack and fuel tank. And yes, I have it, I worked for it a lot, I blatantly overperform in it compared to my other tanks (though I havent played it much) and yes, I do think that it needs to be nerfed. Alongside with a lot of other tanks. 



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Oh come on now you exaggerate, frontally this tank has not just one but two 1 pixel tall cupolas to shoot at! and you can't shoot either of those on a moving target in a game of inaccurate guns featuring 25% rng? pffff, git gud!

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This crap bounces even heat regularly if your tank isnt tall enough to shoot a little bit from above into the upper plate.

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View PostStrizi, on 09 June 2019 - 06:57 PM, said:

279 and Chieftain are one level above Super Conqueror and similar friends and those need a nerf already so i would nerf these 2 big time.... But dont worry everything is fine, wg is always right and these tanks are balanced.

You just have to never play T10 or T9 tanks and then you are done.

 

That way you avoid the worst balanced tier in game.



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Just imagine how interesting ranked could have been if the did it at tier 9.

anonym_UhRD2GDAQG31 #56 Posted 10 June 2019 - 05:36 PM

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Just nerfe 279(e) and everything is going to be fine :)
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Yeap, it sure doo "aint" OP. Totaly. Not. No. Why?
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Even a *edited* Premium Ammunition dings it

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View Posttajj7, on 10 June 2019 - 09:40 AM, said:

 

It is still probably the second best performing tank in ranked and from my experience, its played far more dumbly than the T95s are, T95s are massively strong but they die quickly if they get caught out, 279es do not, I have seen several of them just sit in the open and take a hell of beating against experienced players who are all spam premium ammo.

 

No tier 10 heavy has a hull/turret combo that is that good, and its a massive advantage, it can sit on top of a ridge, not hull down and still reliably bounce like 90% of tier 10 premium ammo, whilst fighting back with 440 alpha, 340 pen HEAT with good DPM and decent gun handling.

 

I've also faced a few of them in CWs as well, again with multiple very experienced players shooting at it and again if they player knows what they are doing they can just sit there and you'll bounce the majority of your shots.

 

Considering its far more forgiving than the T95, I'd say its by far the most OP tank in the game right now and needs a heavy nerf.

 

The T95 is also OP as all hell, but at least if it has to push in the open, you can bleed it of HP reliably because of that lower plate, 279e is like a better Type 5 in that respect, its frontal armour is basically better than anything in the game.

 

I've seen them taking a beating is not an argument, Tajj. You could play Type 5 with the same result. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. This tank isn't good for ranked, cause it's to slow and doesn't have the gun depression. Aslo, once people start slinging 340 heat at it it gets penned in front and ammoracked frequently. People were even penning fricking cuppola of this when I was hull-down. The armor, whilst shot with HEAT, is very unreliable.

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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 12 June 2019 - 06:20 AM, said:

 

I've seen them taking a beating is not an argument, Tajj. You could play Type 5 with the same result. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. This tank isn't good for ranked, cause it's to slow and doesn't have the gun depression. Aslo, once people start slinging 340 heat at it it gets penned in front and ammoracked frequently. People were even penning fricking cuppola of this when I was hull-down. The armor, whilst shot with HEAT, is very unreliable.

 

I believe someone checked the top 10 players on ranked, all had a considerable amount of games on the Chieftan and then the 279(e). 

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View PostXanjori, on 12 June 2019 - 07:24 AM, said:

 

I believe someone checked the top 10 players on ranked, all had a considerable amount of games on the Chieftan and then the 279(e).

 

I believe 279e might be very useful going through eliminations or early stages, but there are better tanks to play in higher ranks.

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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 12 June 2019 - 06:20 AM, said:

 

I've seen them taking a beating is not an argument, Tajj. You could play Type 5 with the same result. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. This tank isn't good for ranked, cause it's to slow and doesn't have the gun depression. Aslo, once people start slinging 340 heat at it it gets penned in front and ammoracked frequently. People were even penning fricking cuppola of this when I was hull-down. The armor, whilst shot with HEAT, is very unreliable.

 

Type 5 can't stand up to HEAT barely at all, it bounces HEAT mainly through shots not quite hitting where they are supposed to and bouncing of the highly angles bits.

 

279e can probably resist 340 HEAT in the hull better than other tank, because even though yes with average pen rolls some will go through, a lot of others won't, whereas pretty much any other tank that is out there in the open, they have a lower plate that is like 100% pen.

 

Which gives the 279e IMO something no other tank in ranked can do, which is push in the open, it has to be less defensive. Even T95 can't do that.

 

From what I saw, it was second only to the T95 in tanks that people did well in and progressed with. 

 

Also remember all those T95s have 322mm APCR, Super Conquerors have 325 APCR, Kranvagns have 300 HEAT, UDES has 310mm HEAT and all those have more trouble with the 279e than 340 HEAT does and you saw a decent amount of all those tanks in ranked.

 

Plus I don't see how gun depression is an issue when you have no lower plate, you can just expose you hull and at full gun depression the hull is close to immune to 340 HEAT for more than 50% of it, with the rest mainly being like sub 30% chance to pen, so 279es can drive up over ridges and most of the time no one will pen then, again something most other tanks can't do cos they have lower plates. 






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