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Object 279(E)... How hasn't it been nerfed yet....?


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EllemennT #61 Posted 12 June 2019 - 11:10 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 12 June 2019 - 08:51 AM, said:

 

Type 5 can't stand up to HEAT barely at all, it bounces HEAT mainly through shots not quite hitting where they are supposed to and bouncing of the highly angles bits.

 

279e can probably resist 340 HEAT in the hull better than other tank, because even though yes with average pen rolls some will go through, a lot of others won't, whereas pretty much any other tank that is out there in the open, they have a lower plate that is like 100% pen.

 

Which gives the 279e IMO something no other tank in ranked can do, which is push in the open, it has to be less defensive. Even T95 can't do that.

 

From what I saw, it was second only to the T95 in tanks that people did well in and progressed with.

 

Also remember all those T95s have 322mm APCR, Super Conquerors have 325 APCR, Kranvagns have 300 HEAT, UDES has 310mm HEAT and all those have more trouble with the 279e than 340 HEAT does and you saw a decent amount of all those tanks in ranked.

 

Plus I don't see how gun depression is an issue when you have no lower plate, you can just expose you hull and at full gun depression the hull is close to immune to 340 HEAT for more than 50% of it, with the rest mainly being like sub 30% chance to pen, so 279es can drive up over ridges and most of the time no one will pen then, again something most other tanks can't do cos they have lower plates.

 

Chinese heavies, 260, Russian meds - they all get high pen HEAT and it works wonders against 279. Had a game where I decided to push singled out WZ and he penned me with every shot frontally. Also, pushing open spaces doesn't work, cause this vehicle gets easily tracked and wacked to pieces by arty and HEAT spam. 'I saw' a lot 279s ending up like this. For the same reason cresting ridges is a bad idea. This tank only really worked for me on Himmelsdorf an Pilzen out of all maps.

 

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad tank. It probably is a tad OP, but the extremely competitive environment of ranked battles shows people with brain (unlike the majority of pubbies in randoms) can handle it rather well.



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View PostThe_Georgian_One, on 12 June 2019 - 10:10 AM, said:

 

Chinese heavies, 260, Russian meds - they all get high pen HEAT and it works wonders against 279. Had a game where I decided to push singled out WZ and he penned me with every shot frontally. Also, pushing open spaces doesn't work, cause this vehicle gets easily tracked and wacked to pieces by arty and HEAT spam. 'I saw' a lot 279s ending up like this. For the same reason cresting ridges is a bad idea. This tank only really worked for me on Himmelsdorf an Pilzen out of all maps.

 

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad tank. It probably is a tad OP, but the extremely competitive environment of ranked battles shows people with brain (unlike the majority of pubbies in randoms) can handle it rather well.

 

I honestly don't see anything else, aside T95 that comes close to it. 

 

260, 430U, 907, 5A and Super Conq, which are the other realistic options are not as good at all and it showed in ranked. Mainly because they are all weaker armour wise by a lot and their advantages in other areas don't compensate. 

 

It was the tank I saw doing consistently well in all divisions aside of course the T95. 

 

Whatever disadvantages you list, other tanks have got even more. 

 



EllemennT #63 Posted 12 June 2019 - 12:30 PM

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Let's just agree to disagree, Tajj. Or maybe it didn't work that well because of my playstyle. Did you play it in ranked?

HundeWurst #64 Posted 12 June 2019 - 02:03 PM

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In my eyes the tank is utter cowdung.

I sucked this ranked season...
Well playing an entire evening close to being wasted did not help my score but still...

It was so frustrating to play against. That thing is the best ridge line warrior I encountered and all that with 5 or 6 degree of gun depression.

Good luck fighting a well played 279e on serene Coast on the goto flank. Nothing stops this tank there.

Well against high pen heat while not angling up you will get penetrated even reliable but on a bit of range apcr is pretty much useless.

That tank is an abomination and should be meganerfed. If the armor is not supposed to be touched then give it a carbon copy gun of the is4...

At least it could not shoot enemies to pieces in no time.

TungstenHitman #65 Posted 12 June 2019 - 02:41 PM

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Having no lower hull should at least be balanced on some level by making it take twice as long to repair the inside tracks should either of them be shot off and realistically I'd imagine it would be a more complicated and time consuming to repair the inside set of tracks compared to the more accessible outside set of tracks and would give players a better chance to counter it, flank it or just escape from it and relocate.  

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View PostHellfoxe, on 06 June 2019 - 02:37 PM, said:

 

Obj 279(e) is immuun to guns below 130mm and even proper angle can bounce off an type 5 shot. The only guns that can pen with gold are jg e100 and FV4005.

 

Not true... in my first games with it I even went head to head with a tier 9 jadtiger and he reliably penned me frontally 3x in a row. It's not autowin (as I thought) you need to play it a certain way. You will appreciate this when (if) you drive one.



UserZer00 #67 Posted 08 November 2019 - 08:05 AM

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If they need the overall stats of the tank to go down I'll gladly accept one as a gift.  

Within a month I'm sure I'll be able to knock at least 5% off it's overall win rate.

If not, well then I'll just have to live with my failure.

I'll expect delivery in time for weekend play.  

Thanks in advance WG

SovietBias #68 Posted 08 November 2019 - 08:22 AM

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View PostFlash909, on 08 November 2019 - 06:39 AM, said:

 

Not true... in my first games with it I even went head to head with a tier 9 jadtiger and he reliably penned me frontally 3x in a row. It's not autowin (as I thought) you need to play it a certain way. You will appreciate this when (if) you drive one.

 

Perhaps it should be buffed then. Same as Chieftain.



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This diarrhea is part of the reason why i believe is time to take a break.... .... Maybe 4 ever! 
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View PostFlash909, on 08 November 2019 - 06:39 AM, said:

 

Not true... in my first games with it I even went head to head with a tier 9 jadtiger and he reliably penned me frontally 3x in a row. It's not autowin (as I thought) you need to play it a certain way. You will appreciate this when (if) you drive one.

BUT... if you play it "a certain way" then... It is a "autowin"! You cant face to face another tank, otherwise if you are closer... Is easier to hit your commander hatch or whatever! Thats pretty obvious! You just need 0.5% of intelligence to make this tank work perfectly... Against anyone, any tank! Is just so ridiculous that i just cant figure out how developers thought this was a good tank to introduce into the game.... It actually blows my mind... They dont play this game at all! 


Edited by Pedro_Agnus, 08 November 2019 - 08:55 AM.


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OK so it's new so ppl don't understand how the armour works and what to do when they are facing it. When more ppl face them it won't be so easy to bully them.  You can't face hug T9/10 enemies as they will pen your UFP every shot with gold. It's slow and is a like a boat to turn.

 

But yes it's OP at the moment as shown by my extra 700 damage on top of any other tank in my garage (small dataset). Is it game breaking? OFC not, you might see 1 in every 5 games in TX (yes more in ranked but then it's poo in that mode)



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View PostSovietBias, on 08 November 2019 - 07:22 AM, said:

 

Perhaps it should be buffed then. Same as Chieftain.

By no means! Cmon dont twist my words. It's SUPER strong, what I mean is it's not shellproof, you still need to learn to use it. FIrst impression BEFORE driving it was "hell, i can drive anywhere and be boss" - it's not QUITE like this. Doesn't mean it should be stronger. It's strong enough. Doesn't mean it should be weaker either. I've ruined enough games with those missions so I should have something strong to play to be worth it.



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Every time I see one now all thoughts of camping vanish and 2 to 3 of us get together and end its day

 

They haven't invented a tonk that can shoot in opposite directions at the same time yet

 

..yet



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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 08 November 2019 - 08:56 AM, said:

OK so it's new so ppl don't understand how the armour works and what to do when they are facing it. When more ppl face them it won't be so easy to bully them.  You can't face hug T9/10 enemies as they will pen your UFP every shot with gold. It's slow and is a like a boat to turn.

 

But yes it's OP at the moment as shown by my extra 700 damage on top of any other tank in my garage (small dataset). Is it game breaking? OFC not, you might see 1 in every 5 games in TX (yes more in ranked but then it's poo in that mode)

 

ur right , but imo this tank is not fair if ur playing a tier 8-9 in random and u cant really flank a 279 



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View PostFlash909, on 08 November 2019 - 08:30 AM, said:

By no means! Cmon dont twist my words. It's SUPER strong, what I mean is it's not shellproof, you still need to learn to use it. FIrst impression BEFORE driving it was "hell, i can drive anywhere and be boss" - it's not QUITE like this. Doesn't mean it should be stronger. It's strong enough. Doesn't mean it should be weaker either. I've ruined enough games with those missions so I should have something strong to play to be worth it.

 

Yeah, it does. The fact that it is not a literal "I win" button  does not mean, in any possible way, it isn't a completely broken vehicle, several times more powerful than its peers and and complete joke to face in anything other than a T10 TD. I remember a few years ago vehicles like Obj.260 and t22 medium being introduced and players were having a laugh on how these vehicles could deliver 4k DPG and how broken they were. 

 

Fast forward 2 years and you now have 2 reward vehicles on the 5k level of DPG, with everyone and their mother shooting gold at them. The input they require in no way justifies what these tanks are able to achieve. They are several times more broken than WT E100 ever was.

 

And no, missions being hard do not justify a tier 11 vehicle in the game, ruining the already precarious balance in tier 8+.


Edited by SovietBias, 08 November 2019 - 10:58 AM.


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View PostEllemennT, on 12 June 2019 - 07:20 AM, said:

 

I've seen them taking a beating is not an argument, Tajj. You could play Type 5 with the same result. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. This tank isn't good for ranked, cause it's to slow and doesn't have the gun depression. Aslo, once people start slinging 340 heat at it it gets penned in front and ammoracked frequently. People were even penning fricking cuppola of this when I was hull-down. The armor, whilst shot with HEAT, is very unreliable.


for early stages it is real solid in ranked and still bounces 340 heat alot to my experience, partly also due to positioning that people will never shoot down on you; then the armor is plain useless garbage

 

did 65 games in it, 2.5k avg dmg, 2.1k blocked. for ranked standards i would say its pretty stupid high blocked.

as sidenote i started playing ranked first days and quite powergrinded it so i faced alot of good players, not like qb does and start ranked halfway trough with 279e and faces bad players mostly


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Not Op. but broken

 

its very strong top tier, but full tier 10, especially ranked its nothing special.



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View Postxx984, on 08 November 2019 - 10:19 AM, said:

Not Op. but broken

 

its very strong top tier, but full tier 10, especially ranked its nothing special.

On ranked is nothing special because is full of them... And "Cheift's"



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seriously guys Tier X from it's very inception was allways meant to be the tier from where to club with the most possible OP tanks.

and yeah right now the obj 279 e is one of the clubbers.

 

 

 



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View Postxx984, on 08 November 2019 - 11:19 AM, said:

Not Op. but broken

 

its very strong top tier, but full tier 10, especially ranked its nothing special.

 

yeah in ranked you really need vehicleswith good gun depression  , and ofc is not the case of the 279s gun , but in the 3rd and the 2nd divison i played this tonk very well , but now in the first divison is almost useless



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In 2-3 years when I have manged to lose my last hairs on my head and is able to finally get this tank, it will be nerfed to shreds...




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