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RetroCh1cken #1 Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:35 PM

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So looking around a bit on both youtube and forums it seems like everyone hates playing the mäuschen cause of ''weak armor''  on the copula or it being too slow. I just don't understand don't all tanks have some weakspot and isn't it common for tanks this size/armor to be this slow?

 

After a bunch of battles in this tank I have almost never had a problem with the armor in this tank, some people even bounce on the copula and I'm just as slow as any other super heavy so the speed doesn't bother me either.

I love playing this tank and can't wait to get my hands on the maus but I just don't get why people hate playing it. Is it just something I don't understand or?



4nt #2 Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:41 PM

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Slow brick of armor with mushroom on top. It's easy to hate it due to fact that both predecessor and successor are pretty much (borderline) OP. It bounces quite nicely like VKOP and Maus, but has longish grind to elite, and top gun isn't too good.

chainreact0r #3 Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:42 PM

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The armor is indeed pretty good, but it's not good enough for the drawbacks. Take WZ 1-4 for example which when hulldown has the same amount of armor, same gun more or less and is as fast as a slow medium. E-75 has a bit less armor and way better speed. 50TP has more alpha, speed and depression. 



RetroCh1cken #4 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:01 PM

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View Post4nt, on 06 June 2019 - 07:41 PM, said:

Slow brick of armor with mushroom on top. It's easy to hate it due to fact that both predecessor and successor are pretty much (borderline) OP. It bounces quite nicely like VKOP and Maus, but has longish grind to elite, and top gun isn't too good.

 

View Postchainreact0r, on 06 June 2019 - 07:42 PM, said:

The armor is indeed pretty good, but it's not good enough for the drawbacks. Take WZ 1-4 for example which when hulldown has the same amount of armor, same gun more or less and is as fast as a slow medium. E-75 has a bit less armor and way better speed. 50TP has more alpha, speed and depression. 

 

I guess it's more cause I haven't tried those tanks I guess but I still bounce a lot more bullets than the tank before. I dunno if is cause I've improved on how I should handle my armor or anything like that.

 

Anyway I still bounce a lot of bullets, some 1k+ dmg even now and then. So I don't understand why the tank should still be called ''bad'' if it still does what it is supposed to do, be an armoured brick to support your team.

 



gitgud_cannot #5 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:02 PM

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maybe because compared to vk100.01p and Maus it has nothing going for it?

Japualtah #6 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:21 PM

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This tank is overperforming even worse than 430U

 

Definitely needs a nerf, it's cupola is harder to pen than that of an E5.



ExclamationMark #7 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:22 PM

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20km/h.

chainreact0r #8 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:26 PM

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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 06 June 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

 

 

I guess it's more cause I haven't tried those tanks I guess but I still bounce a lot more bullets than the tank before. I dunno if is cause I've improved on how I should handle my armor or anything like that.

 

Anyway I still bounce a lot of bullets, some 1k+ dmg even now and then. So I don't understand why the tank should still be called ''bad'' if it still does what it is supposed to do, be an armoured brick to support your team.

 

1k blocked is nothing for a tier 9 heavy. Especially the mauschen. It's just too slow and the cupola doesn't even matter because people shoot gold at the cheeks anyway.



psychobear #9 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:47 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 06 June 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:

20km/h.

 

This ^.

Coupled with the atrocious turning "speed" and overall "mobility".



P33K #10 Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:56 PM

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I like it, feels somehow a lot better than vk 100.01. Liked E75 too.

Never was so much a heavy player though. Russian pike-noses feel even a bit difficult to drive, for example.

RetroCh1cken #11 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:19 PM

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View Postpsychobear, on 06 June 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

 

This ^.

Coupled with the atrocious turning "speed" and overall "mobility".

 

Yes it has bad speed/mobility but doesn't almost all super heavies have that kind of speed/mobility? But doesn't the armor and the gun make up for that?
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View Postchainreact0r, on 06 June 2019 - 08:26 PM, said:

1k blocked is nothing for a tier 9 heavy. Especially the mauschen. It's just too slow and the cupola doesn't even matter because people shoot gold at the cheeks anyway.

 

I suppose 1k isn't a lot but I'd say it's more my fault then the tank, still learning the right angels to turn my hull/turret so I don't overdo it. Also I haven't been hit a lot with 1k dmg either so it isn't a common thing for me to block it.

psychobear #12 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:36 PM

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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 06 June 2019 - 11:19 PM, said:

 

Yes it has bad speed/mobility but doesn't almost all super heavies have that kind of speed/mobility? But doesn't the armor and the gun make up for that?

 

Actually... no, they don't make up for it. Don't get me wrong, i got to somehow like the tank towards the end of the grind, i don't want it to be some imba piece of crap or something, but... no, with the current gold ammo meta and clickers still breaking the game the Mauschen is just... well, bad. In my humble opinion, that is.



breeeze #13 Posted 06 June 2019 - 10:37 PM

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You said it yourself already, compared to VK 100 and Maus it has the weakest armor (mostly the very large turret cheeks and very weak cupola once you angle) while fighting roughly the same kind of guns as the Maus and it is so much slower than the other already slow tanks (more than double the terrain resistance of the VK 100)

RetroCh1cken #14 Posted 06 June 2019 - 11:20 PM

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View Postpsychobear, on 06 June 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

 

Actually... no, they don't make up for it. Don't get me wrong, i got to somehow like the tank towards the end of the grind, i don't want it to be some imba piece of crap or something, but... no, with the current gold ammo meta and clickers still breaking the game the Mauschen is just... well, bad. In my humble opinion, that is.

 

View Postbreeeze, on 06 June 2019 - 09:37 PM, said:

You said it yourself already, compared to VK 100 and Maus it has the weakest armor (mostly the very large turret cheeks and very weak cupola once you angle) while fighting roughly the same kind of guns as the Maus and it is so much slower than the other already slow tanks (more than double the terrain resistance of the VK 100)

 

Well I have gotten curious now, cause if the Mäuschen has weak armor by your standars and I for some reason haven't had any problems with it, I wonder how strong then the maus armor will be for me. I guess it's just me not being used to the strong-ish armor Mäuschen has. Or I just have very low standards for a tank's armor.

 

It's pretty weird though, cause with mäuschen currently my winrate is 53% and vk 100.01 p has 44% and all my other tanks also are in the 40-ish in winrate. So for some reason I'm doing one of my bests in just this tank.



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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 06 June 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

 

It's pretty weird though, cause with mäuschen currently my winrate is 53% and vk 100.01 p has 44% and all my other tanks also are in the 40-ish in winrate. So for some reason I'm doing one of my bests in just this tank.

 

it's because its slow speed doesn't allow you to go where you really want, so you find yourself naturally at medium to long range where its armor kinda works and the gun is very usable at that distance too.

Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 07 June 2019 - 12:51 PM.


LIL_Veky #16 Posted 04 October 2019 - 12:32 AM

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Cause its just a worse version of maus, and it being tier 9 doesnt help. mauschen in tier 8 wouldnt even be op

ZDN #17 Posted 04 October 2019 - 07:47 AM

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You get fire dmg if people spam HE in the lower part of your turret.And it is Slow on open maps.

tajj7 #18 Posted 04 October 2019 - 09:48 AM

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Probably because the 100,01 P is OP, and the Mauschen is not quite as OP, but it does more than fine. -

 

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But people think the T28, Torty and T95 are bad, even though all 3 tanks are massively overperform as well -

 

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There is a perception that slow tanks are bad, probably because very occasionally the person will be in a situation where they are basically 1v1 vs like a medium or light and they get outplayed, so they remember that and think the tank is bad. They completely ignore all the other situations where they bounce loads of shots and steamrolls flanks, because there is also an expectation that heavies should just bounce with little effort. (which most of these heavies do). 

 

I have seen several people claim that mobility is 'OP' or there is a 'medium meta', which is just untrue as the majority of overperforming and strong tanks are armoured ones (some that have mobility), whilst most unarmoured tanks with high mobility are underperforming. 

 

But its because mobility is a tool that needs very good players to exploit and most average players can't utilise it properly, so average player in slow tank occasionally gets outplayed by mobile tank, thinks the mobile tank is OP, when it's actually they were outplayed by a better players.

 

Slowness. armour and alpha is the vast majority of players simpler to play, more forgiving and therefore more effective for the majority of players. 

 

Thing is people often confuse 'fun to play' with 'effective', a lot of OP tanks are not necessarily that fun to play. 

 



Dr_Oolen #19 Posted 04 October 2019 - 10:49 AM

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^^

 

and then you get to observe 90% of people playing t28/t95/tortoise camp behind redline while being top tiers in those tanks, never have a single shot at anything whole game and then the team either wins and they have 0 dmg or their team melts and they end up in 1v5, they get to do 2k dmg and then die thinking how terrible the tank is... and despite all that all those tanks still get like 53% global WR. Pretty much all these 3 tanks, along with bobject, when they are top tier vs lower tier tanks, can just RRR whole game and single handedly win the game. Id be even willing to say that assuming both teams are mostly even in terms of skill one should be easily able to win 80-90% of top tier games in those tanks. And that is probably what happens anyway, otherwise the tanks wouldnt have 53% wr while 90% of people playing them camp redline 24/7 and do nothing at all in 75% of all games due to their stupidity and inability to press "W" in a broken tank.


Edited by Dr_Oolen, 04 October 2019 - 10:50 AM.


splash_time #20 Posted 04 October 2019 - 10:59 AM

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Personally, i loved the grind, and i bought my Maus yesterday, but i haven't play with it yet, because I'm busy. :D

 

Sure, there are better T9 heavies, but Mauschen isn't that bad, it can perform absolutely amazing in the right hands and with the right gameplay.


Edited by splash_time, 04 October 2019 - 11:00 AM.






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