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RetroCh1cken #1 Posted 07 June 2019 - 07:16 PM

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Have already had a few bad games today but really? I'm playing as a super heavy tank (mäuschen) and had taken a few hits, not a lot and out of nowhere, I get killed upfront by a sniping FV4005 which dealt almost 1,7k dmg to me. No ammo explosion, no nothing just a shot going right thru my front armour and dead. 

 

 



BlackBloodBandit #2 Posted 07 June 2019 - 07:25 PM

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That's nothing special. Usually it does 2500 damage per shot. And no it's not sniping, as it's accuracy is terrible since they changed it.

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 07 June 2019 - 07:25 PM, said:

That's nothing special. Usually it does 2500 damage per shot.

 

No it does not.

 

@ OP no, but broken yes.



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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 07 June 2019 - 06:25 PM, said:

That's nothing special. Usually it does 2500 damage per shot. And no it's not sniping, as it's accuracy is terrible since they changed it.

 

Huh, guess it must have been hiding somewhere close then, and what? usually 2,5k dmg? I mean, how is that even fair? Isn't it literally one-shoting low hp tanks?

 

Edit: Ah wait, so it doesn't actually usually deal that much dmg per shot?

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View PostExclamationMark, on 07 June 2019 - 06:31 PM, said:

 

No it does not.

 

@ OP no, but broken yes.

 

Isn't broken worse then op?

Edited by RetroCh1cken, 07 June 2019 - 07:32 PM.


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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 07 June 2019 - 07:31 PM, said:

Isn't broken worse then op?

 

Not necessarily. 

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 07 June 2019 - 07:25 PM, said:

That's nothing special. Usually it does 2500 damage per shot. And no it's not sniping, as it's accuracy is terrible since they changed it.

 

Considering it does 2188 on a 25% high roll.. no it does not.  And most can count on one hand how many shots do that much tbh with the pure X games it sees today.

 

View PostRetroCh1cken, on 07 June 2019 - 07:31 PM, said:

Isn't broken worse then op?

 

The 183b with the same gun had way more pen on the HESH ammo in the old days. Then you had at least 1 or 2 shots per game that did close to 2K regardless of what you faced. That was OP. Then they nerfed the HESH pen of it down from 273 to the current levels. Inc the 25% low rolls, it now did 600 more so than 2100 vs most tier X targets. Side on a tier 9? Well... 

 

So now with the rarer amount of 2K shots it sees vs before. It's broken vs OP indeed. And you can argue that broken is worse than OP. But vs before. I'm gonna say no. 

 

Tho with the special ammo change planned. Regardless of what they go for, it's HESH shells will see a change at some point. What kind, and if at all remains to be seen.


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Having it, I agree that it's not OP but broken.

Having it as enemy, you are afraid that it's going to stay at some distance, undetected, and facebreak you with 1.5 to 2K damage, ruining your whole battle with one shot. My T9 chinese TD at full health was obliterated with one shot from a FV4005 after me having bounced Maus a couple times and a couple T9s while holding a corridor alone.

Playing it you're at the mercy of spotting mechanics, with ZERO chance of bouncing anything. Arty is your bane even while hiding, (no, you can't hide it from arty).

 

So it's broken because there is zero reliability from it while playing it. You cannot reliably do anything over a series of battles. It depends too much on situational events, such as map type, own team, enemy team, etc. If one of the new supercars from the enemy team is lucky enough to spot you, you're dead. If they don't AND you are in a good map AND your team spots well, you will facebreak everything. 

 

The tank is either king or beggar, nothing in between. That makes it broken. It's not even a one-trick pony such as the JgPz E100 or the Foch B.



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Rage sold mine after the "nerf"   reverse nerf wasn't necessary at all.  

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Probably the best advice I can give you is to read the whole WoT Wiki to learn all game mechanics, you clearly don't know them that well. Also, start at a certain tier (4, 5 or 6 for example) and learn the parameters of each tank that you face (gun, mobility, view range, etc.). Don't rush up the tiers, you will encounter a lot of tanks you cannot counter (yet). The players at high tiers are also on average stronger than on tier 4, 5 or 6. You have a hard time against them and you aren't such a valuable asset for your teammates. tanks.gg is a valuable site that shows all parameters of a tank and its armor profile.

 

KV-1 (85mm gun) and the PZ4h (105mm gun) are nice tanks to learn the mechanics of the game I think.

 

Edit: you don't understand the game mechanics after reading it once, read the wiki multiple times to get a better understanding of it.

 


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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 07 June 2019 - 06:16 PM, said:

out of nowhere, I get killed upfront by a sniping FV4005 which dealt almost 1,7k dmg to me. No ammo explosion, no nothing just a shot going right thru my front armour and dead. 

 

 



RetroCh1cken #11 Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:23 PM

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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 07 June 2019 - 08:07 PM, said:

Probably the best advice I can give you is to read the whole WoT Wiki to learn all game mechanics, you clearly don't know them that well. Also, start at a certain tier (4, 5 or 6 for example) and learn the parameters of each tank that you face (gun, mobility, view range, etc.). Don't rush up the tiers, you will encounter a lot of tanks you cannot counter (yet). The players at high tiers are also on average stronger than on tier 4, 5 or 6. You have a hard time against them and you aren't such a valuable asset for your teammates. tanks.gg is a valuable site that shows all parameters of a tank and its armor profile.

 

KV-1 (85mm gun) and the PZ4h (105mm gun) are nice tanks to learn the mechanics of the game I think.

 

 

 

Me rushing to tier 9? Ha, been playing since 2013 this is my first tier 9 ever, I just got it 2 days ago so no, I wouldn't really say I'm rushing it.

 

Also I think I'm good with the whole ''reading the whole wot wiki'' thing. I might be a very crappy player but to be honest I'm just playing this game casually, have always been doing it since 2013. I'm not really interested in studying for an exam to become a pro in this game, I'm only playing this game now and then to have fun in my tank, I mean it is a game after all, not some serious thing like life and death.


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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 07 June 2019 - 09:23 PM, said:

 

Me rushing to tier 9? Ha, been playing since 2013 this is my first tier 9 ever, I just got it 2 days ago so no, I wouldn't really say I'm rushing it.

 

Also I think I'm good with the whole ''reading the whole wot wiki'' thing. I might be a very crappy player but to be honest I'm just playing this game casually, have always been doing it since 2013. I'm not really interested in studying for an exam to become a pro in this game, I'm only playing this game now and then to have fun in my tank, I mean it is a game after all, not some serious thing like life and death.

No problem to be a casual player, majority of the player base is probably like that. But being such a detriment to the team means you really have to learn something imo. It feels nice to help a teammate sometimes, instead of shooting, pushing and blocking them.



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 07 June 2019 - 09:31 PM, said:

No problem to be a casual player, majority of the player base is probably like that. But being such a detriment to the team means you really have to learn something imo. It feels nice to help a teammate sometimes, instead of shooting, pushing and blocking them.

 

It goes up and downs for me really, but I often try be very careful to not ruin things for my team, like being in front of them shooting, pushing them etc.  Right now I'd say I'm getting more destroyed in battles cause I'm trying to soak up shots that are otherwise meant for my allies.

 

Surprisingly I have recently done quite a good job in some matches, like blocking around 3k damage, spotting over 1k dmg, dealing almost 3k dmg. holding off one side of the map all by myself while the rest of the team is on other side etc.

But I do try to learn, would more say I'm just a very slow learner.



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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 07 June 2019 - 10:50 PM, said:

 

It goes up and downs for me really, but I often try be very careful to not ruin things for my team, like being in front of them shooting, pushing them etc.  Right now I'd say I'm getting more destroyed in battles cause I'm trying to soak up shots that are otherwise meant for my allies.

 

Surprisingly I have recently done quite a good job in some matches, like blocking around 3k damage, spotting over 1k dmg, dealing almost 3k dmg. holding off one side of the map all by myself while the rest of the team is on other side etc.

But I do try to learn, would more say I'm just a very slow learner.

That's a nice attitude. Never take unnecessary hits: people playing like a potato don't need to be shielded by you, they are useless anyway.

 

But still, try to limit the battles in which you do less than 1500dmg (with Mauschen). Positioning is key.



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View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 07 June 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

That's a nice attitude. Never take unnecessary hits: people playing like a potato don't need to be shielded by you, they are useless anyway.

 

But still, try to limit the battles in which you do less than 1500dmg (with Mauschen). Positioning is key.

 

Thanks, have heard that rule a couple of times to always deal as much dmg as your own hp, so I'm trying to follow it. As by the potato thing, I've noticed that a couple of times, yes, that's coming from me, mostly the battles were I've been holding one side of the map my team somehow managed to die on the other half. Where the majority of the whole team them went.

 

Anyway just a little question though, isn't the mäuschen a support role? as in taking the dmg for the team so weaker ones can live on to dmg more tanks? Have always thought that.



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Oh, this again... 2 OPk, WG pls remove reversing

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I'm a casual player... but i'm not actively trying to lose games.

I don't understand why the word casual is used as an excuse for not learning these days.



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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 07 June 2019 - 11:27 PM, said:

Anyway just a little question though, isn't the mäuschen a support role? as in taking the dmg for the team so weaker ones can live on to dmg more tanks? Have always thought that.

It depends. Don't just drive forwards expecting to bounce a lot. It doesnt work that way. It works best in cities because it can sidescrape (blocking lower plate+angling (turret) armor) and stay in arty cover. I'm not the kind of guy saying heavies should go to the 'heavy flank', but for the Mauschen it kinda applies though. On maps like Redshire, Fjords and Murovsnka you want to fight against heavy tanks sine it's too slow to fight against mediums and playing it as a support sniper is stupid. 

 

It can act as a damage sponge, but if that results in you getting killed in the first 3 minutes or among the first 5 in your team, you are still useless. At a choke point, don't just drive in and take damage from multiple lines of fire. Only time you should do that is when the other flank is falling and your flank has to push to avoid getting rekt from behind. In such cases it is better that you take the hits, instead of vehicles like m46 patton, leopard pta or an object 704 with better players playing those tanks. 

 

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View PostRetroCh1cken, on 07 June 2019 - 06:31 PM, said:

Isn't broken worse then op?

 

No, a broken tank still relies on RNG mostly. Broken tanks generally have super high damage guns for their tier like 183-HESH cannons and the Japanese sumo tanks. They are easier to play then most vehicles while at the same time having great rewards for the player for relatively few risks.

This type of vehicle might not win more matches then same tier tanks but the effect it has on the battle is overly detrimental to the enjoyment of others compared to it's peers.

For example, getting shot for 750 damage by a T110E4 is annoying but workable while losing 1750=>2200 health from one shot from a 183-HESH canon is detrimental to the enjoyment of the game.

 

OP tanks are outright better then other tanks of the tier and thus stand a statistically higher chance of winning matches due to the vehicle being blatantly better.

 

The FV4005 is not OP, it's just broken and should be fixed (be removing the HESH ammo and limiting overall damage to a maximum of 1200 damage per shot.

 

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View PostExclamationMark, on 07 June 2019 - 07:31 PM, said:

No it does not.

@ OP no, but broken yes.

hahahaha! It was just to troll OP, but funny that 5 people reply to it and one even calculate the max high roll :D






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