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Wiiksi_Wallu #1 Posted 09 June 2019 - 04:14 PM

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So first I would like to say that this is not meant as insult to you who play the French wheeled vehicles.

 

I would like to hear Wargamings thoughts about them and yours also. I personally don't want them in the game. They changed how the game is played to the direction that many of us don't want the game to go, now you rather camp than try to get to the position with mediums or other lights. WG said that "cars" are not going to be good at passive scouting, well tier 10 car can have max view range with no problem, so they can do active and passive scouting better than any other lt in the game because of their speed.

 

But, an even bigger issue for me is that cars have way too good gun handling and they hit you from 400 meters away and because they have so good he-penetration they do 200-250 damage even if you are playing decent armored tanks. And because "cars" are so fast, I have fired several ghost shells to them and I have a good internet connection and my ping is usually between 20-40ms. So, i think cars are so fast that even game itself can't keep up with them. And one last issue is that you can not stop them by shooting their wheels like you would track normal tanks. Wheels also absorb shots way to easily. You shoot the car with jpz.E.100 and wheel absorbs the hit and it does not even stop the car.

 

Thank you and please tell your opinion as well. Wargaming please reply to this and tell me are you going to keep "cars like they are now or what?


Edited by Wiiksi_Wallu, 09 June 2019 - 05:49 PM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #2 Posted 09 June 2019 - 04:24 PM

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A lot of people complaining about the wheeled vehicles and a lot of threads about the same issues. The speed, gun handling and armor modeling. Eventually they'll be nerfed except the tier 8 premium of course so weather the storm for now and try to play around the mess they make! :)



AzoreanOutkast #3 Posted 09 June 2019 - 05:14 PM

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No place at all in this game, they are game breaking and ruin the fun for alot of us, i tried to come back but its pointless in some matchs, this things simply do all they want and we cant really counter it.

 

I do hope they come to their senses and do something about it.

 

I will say i did a trade in and got a TD, was wasted money, as is, better spend it elsewhere...



Bracciano_gatto #4 Posted 09 June 2019 - 05:18 PM

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It's all good !

 

French wheeled vehicles were kind of a test. They are a bit OP that is true, but we can still deal with them.

 

Wait until they introduce the Russian wheeled vehicles ....



xx984 #5 Posted 09 June 2019 - 05:23 PM

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They are under powered if anything, except the T8 prem.

 



Homer_J #6 Posted 09 June 2019 - 05:38 PM

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View PostWiiksi_Wallu, on 09 June 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

So first I would like to say that this is not meant as insult to you who play the French wheeled vehicles.

 

I would like to hear Wargamings thoughts about them and yours also.

 

I suspect you don't.

 

WG's opinion is pretty clear, they are in the game and are not going to be removed.

 

I love them.


Edited by Homer_J, 09 June 2019 - 05:38 PM.


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View PostWiiksi_Wallu, on 09 June 2019 - 03:14 PM, said:

Thank you and please tell your opinion as well. 

 



Blubba #8 Posted 09 June 2019 - 05:51 PM

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A bit quick i'll grant you but I like them. 

I'd like to say their guns can be a bit uber too but to be fair, I think it was more me just getting caught out so far. Probably because they're a bit quick and I'm a bit ancient.



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Why do people keep saying they are OP ?

The tier 10 have wonkey hitboxes but outside of that - most of them are .... well kinda weak. No staying power, hp, pen, dpm, and hard to use when in low speed. Em i missing something ? How is any of them stronger then say a super heavy tank or a medium with high dpm ?



Balc0ra #10 Posted 09 June 2019 - 06:33 PM

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The common theme with these topics are that the creator has never played them. But hates them based on what he has observed every game. And the drivers of them usually have a mirrored experience. But you have played them. And I'm sure you have noticed that speed alone will only get you that far. On the tier 6 sure. But on the tier 7+ when APCR is more and more used as normal ammo. Most won't need to aim far ahead to hit you. My tier 8 has died early many a times due to hidden snipers with high shell speed my 300 base view range can't counter.

 

View PostWiiksi_Wallu, on 09 June 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

WG said that "cars" are not going to be good at passive scouting, well tier 10 car can have max view range with no problem, so they can do active and passive scouting better than any other lt in the game because of their speed.

 

Sure you can argue for a view range nerf on the tier X to balance it out. But the others? They can't even active spot with their speed. The issue is that with 300 base you need to be closer then 120m to counter anything with good camo even standing in the open. If they have 80% camo due to bushes. Forget about it. Most of them can't do the role WG wanted them to do. Instead most use them as an early LT counter, and then as a 2nd line support tank or flanker vs scout.

 

 

View PostWiiksi_Wallu, on 09 June 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

But, an even bigger issue for me is that cars have way too good gun handling and they hit you from 400 meters away and because they have so good he-penetration they do 200-250 damage even if you are playing decent armored tanks.

 

The issue is that the premium won't be removed, or nerfed. But the normal tanks can. And I would not mind an aim time nerf on the normal tanks, to give some of them 20m more base view range etc. HE pen = caliber seems to be the new fix for everything. As next patch. Even the German meds will get that from tier 8 and up on the Leo line. So the tier 8 med will have 90mm HE pen. I won't be surprised to see more of that in the upcoming patches.

 

 



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View PostSilentFear, on 09 June 2019 - 05:56 PM, said:

Why do people keep saying they are OP ?

The tier 10 have wonkey hitboxes but outside of that - most of them are .... well kinda weak. No staying power, hp, pen, dpm, and hard to use when in low speed. Em i missing something ? How is any of them stronger then say a super heavy tank or a medium with high dpm ?

 

My bad I should have been more specific, I do not have issues with tier 6,7,8 and 9., but tier 8 premium and tier 10. They can be in the game but with some changes in my opinion. Some super heavys and medium tanks are op yes and it is an issue in this game as well. Some of them make other heavys and mediums unplayable (113 and E5) like tier 10 car makes other lights useless as scouts.

 

I didn't say their dpm or pen with normal ammo is op. Gun handling in full speed is a bit too good and hitboxes need to be fixed. Tier tens speed and max view range with fully trained crew makes other lights useless as scouts.

I would limit tier 10's max viewrange to 425ish so they can't do passive scouting as well as normal lights at tier 10 and when hitboxes are fixed so they actually take damage when hit, I would give them 200ish more hp. I would also increase the slowing effect a little bit. I would remove their better auto aim if the target is over 325 meters away and I would lower he penetration by 20mm in tier 10 and 10mm in other tiers. tier 10's top speed I would limit to 88-90 kp/h. To compensate this I would give them 15mm more pen with normal ammo and 150-200hp more. 

 



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OP should your topic exist why not try the search function next time

ExclamationMark #13 Posted 09 June 2019 - 07:12 PM

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No, but neither should artillery, yet they're here to stay.

Oldewolfe #14 Posted 09 June 2019 - 07:57 PM

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It's not a Matter of SHOULD, they ARE....      Time to get over that fact and Learn to deal with it....      There'll be more Coming soon enough, this is the Time to get Prepped... 

 

And I just Unlocked the EBR 105, so there's that to look forward too as well.....       If you can't figure these out, maybe Checkers is more your Pace....     Besides having been Asked for about 2yrs ago with the 100th Anniversary of WW1,  seems to me you're Out Vored anyway.....

 

So my Answer is basically, Yes, they should be....      



Scabolcz #15 Posted 09 June 2019 - 08:01 PM

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Their new auto aim needs to dissapear, and have way less gun handling.

Homer_J #16 Posted 09 June 2019 - 08:05 PM

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View PostScabolcz, on 09 June 2019 - 08:01 PM, said:

Their new auto aim needs to dissapear,

Yes, give them something which works instead.



BlackBloodBandit #17 Posted 09 June 2019 - 08:20 PM

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View PostWiiksi_Wallu, on 09 June 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

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first and last of all.. we've had like at least 1 topic per day already about this and still you don't get it? you only come here to spit your opinion and then leave?



Click_of_Death #18 Posted 10 June 2019 - 05:22 PM

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No they should not be in the game. They destroy the complete gameplay and their only purpose is extreme trolling.

CrazyLovex #19 Posted 10 June 2019 - 05:34 PM

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+1 agreed immediately nerf or remove the cars from this Tank game...

The clue is in the name :facepalm:


Edited by CrazyLovex, 10 June 2019 - 05:35 PM.


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View PostBracciano_gatto, on 09 June 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

It's all good !

 

French wheeled vehicles were kind of a test. They are a bit OP that is true, but we can still deal with them.

 

Wait until they introduce the Russian wheeled vehicles ....

 

ahahah Russian wheeled vehicles FLY and drop bombs on your head lol





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