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7524 #1 Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:49 AM

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Its not fair to be baned for seldefece. Should I stand still and wait for monkeys to raping me? Current penalty sytem  is not fair.

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4919903#ruinberg-7524-t34_b



MeetriX #2 Posted 10 June 2019 - 07:59 AM

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Team killers get punished. I think it is fair.

Frostilicus #3 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:00 AM

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Watched replay - Charioteer was an idiot for shooting you, but he got you down to his level and beat you with experience, you turned blue for shooting charry and burning it to death, Lorry 40 saw you were blue and decided you should be shot, you reacted again - quick report for Unsportsmanlike Conduct on the Charioteer and you could have moved on, but you decided to make something of it - suffer the consequences of your actions really...

UrQuan #4 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:01 AM

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I'm glad you provided a replay, because that didn't really fit with what you described.

Yes the charioteer shot you (and to be clear, he shouldn't), but not even sure it was deliberate, alot of people fire their guns at start (no idea why tho) & mishaps happen. And then went on his merry way, so no intent at all to shoot you again.

You on the other hand certainly fired deliberate on him & from how you moved & aimed, you were very willing to shoot again. So you do the time.

The lorraine just did what you asked: killed a TK out of selfdefense, because he cannot be sure you will TK someone else too (you are blue)

 

Accidental shots happen, if you did not fire back in that match, that was all that would have happened, Charioteer hitting you once (and getting registered by the team damage system). You however went one step further & killed him (yes fire, but the way you moved & pointed that gun, you were very willing to TK him) which gets picked up by the harsher Teamkill system)

The Lorraine just did what you asked for in this thread, he made sure a potential TK'er got killed, so why blame the Lorraine? He did what you wanted: self-defense, killing a blue guy before it got out of hand.

 

In short; don't shoot the green tanks & certainly not kill them. Especially if it looks like an accident, like in the replay (Charioteer wasn't even aiming, turned his gun, shot & hit you, could have been a miss & then nobody would have cared)

Lorraine shouldn't have killed you either, but I can understand why he killed you, in chat you were laughing about the charioteer death + blue, so the impression people got was that you are a repeat TK'er, so I can get him not taking chances (and tbh, that is why repeat offenders turn blue, so other people can kill the TK'ers without too much penatly).

In the end, Lorraine showed the system you proposed works as advertised; someone TK's someone? ,You can now retaliate. But apparently it is only fair if you can do that & unfair if someone else does it.

 

 

 


Edited by UrQuan, 10 June 2019 - 10:49 AM.


XOR42 #5 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:14 AM

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Maybe it would help you some to see that it is very rare to be able to "self defend" in Wot. It could be avioding gameplay to run and hide behind a rock so that a TKer can't get to you.

 

What you did is called retaliation, an act of damaging by revenge.



Tyrrenus #6 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:25 AM

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What do I do when I get shot on purpose at by a team mate? Nothing. What do I do when a team mate rams me or act assholishly? Nothing. I just sigh and shrug my shoulders. In the end of the day toxic behaviours by team mates are (at least in my experience) quite rare. Indifference is best course of action. 

BlackBloodBandit #7 Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:46 AM

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View Post7524, on 10 June 2019 - 07:49 AM, said:

Its not fair to be baned for seldefece. Should I stand still and wait for monkeys to raping me? Current penalty sytem  is not fair.

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4919903#ruinberg-7524-t34_b

The system is quite stupid on this, but the system does not look why people get shot, so it all counts the same.

 

I advise you to remove the replay, due to naming and shaming rules on the forum, in case you don't want to get banned..

 

View PostTyrrenus, on 10 June 2019 - 08:25 AM, said:

What do I do when I get shot on purpose at by a team mate? Nothing. What do I do when a team mate rams me or act assholishly? Nothing. I just sigh and shrug my shoulders. In the end of the day toxic behaviours by team mates are (at least in my experience) quite rare. Indifference is best course of action. 

Then you must be lucky. I get blocked/pushed out a lot, while having not done anything. Usually it's because they are dumb players or selfish and want my good spot to brawl or snipe from or don't let allies get back to safety when that ally is poking and reversing after taking a shot :facepalm:


Edited by BlackBloodBandit, 10 June 2019 - 08:48 AM.


Stevies_Team #8 Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:42 AM

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View PostTyrrenus, on 10 June 2019 - 08:25 AM, said:

What do I do when I get shot on purpose at by a team mate? Nothing. What do I do when a team mate rams me or act assholishly? Nothing. I just sigh and shrug my shoulders. In the end of the day toxic behaviours by team mates are (at least in my experience) quite rare. Indifference is best course of action. 

 

Totally correct

Like in the street, walk away from them and do not waste a moment of your time

 

Occasionally it's a hilarious team shooting fest in the first few seconds as multiple muppets pen each other around the spawn area

 

Stay well away from them, they are losers to be avoided



Haws #9 Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:45 AM

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Ha Ha,

You were a [edited]for laughing about the Charioteer death.

The Lorr saw that and baited you.

You bit

You got banned.

Good



Slyspy #10 Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:46 AM

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 10 June 2019 - 08:46 AM, said:

The system is quite stupid on this, but the system does not look why people get shot, so it all counts the same.

 

 

How could it? Thus the simple rule - don't do team damage.



Nishi_Kinuyo #11 Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:48 AM

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Looks to me like the system is working just fine.



Captain_Kremen0 #12 Posted 10 June 2019 - 09:51 AM

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This again. Sympathy is in the dictionary, somewhere between "crap" and "syphilis" 

 

I agree with UQ- I never understood this random shooting bollocks at the start - probably the same people who [edited]about having no credits.



Nishi_Kinuyo #13 Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:09 AM

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View PostCaptain_Kremen0, on 10 June 2019 - 09:51 AM, said:

I agree with UQ- I never understood this random shooting bollocks at the start - probably the same people who [edited]about having no credits.

But why should you care about credits if daddy's creditcard provides unlimited credits? :P

Captain_Kremen0

 This again. Sympathy is in the dictionary, somewhere between "crap" and "syphilis" 

 To be honest, I think that some people are better off starting with the A-section in the dictionary, and look up "anger management". :girl:



Captain_Kremen0 #14 Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:14 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 10 June 2019 - 09:09 AM, said:

But why should you care about credits if daddy's creditcard provides unlimited credits? :P

 To be honest, I think that some people are better off starting with the A-section in the dictionary, and look up "anger management". :girl:

1 - never had daddies credit card he was too poor.

2 - I think and A-B-C picture book might serve before giving them a dictionary.



wsatnutter #15 Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:24 AM

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working as intended hold your temper tantrums in check

Karasu_Hidesuke #16 Posted 10 June 2019 - 10:41 AM

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Accidental shots do happen for different reasons. They happen in game play because you don't always see your own team mates through the bushes or some fast moving team mate just gets in your line of fire while you fire.. or you are in sniper mode and they pass in front of your gun.

 

Sometimes, also, you may accidentally fire if you alt tab out of the game to check something and for some reason, at least for me, my gun fires when alt-tab back into the game.



Cobra6 #17 Posted 10 June 2019 - 03:30 PM

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View PostMeetriX, on 10 June 2019 - 06:59 AM, said:

Team killers get punished. I think it is fair.

 

They are, but certainly not fast enough.

 

Any 2nd shot on the same ally in the same match should be an automatic ban (with single shot guns, autocanons can be 2 shots from 2 clips).

 

I've never, accidentally, hit an ally twice in the same match.

 

Cobra 6

 

 



onderschepper #18 Posted 10 June 2019 - 03:40 PM

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Rules of Engagement: Do not fire until fired upon. :honoring:

 

If you saw fit to provide retaliatory action that is your prerogative, however you did so with the requisite cognisance of the penalties thus accept your punishment with dignity. :facepalm:



Orkbert #19 Posted 10 June 2019 - 03:56 PM

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I watched the replay and the player who deserved to get banned did receive a ban. So the system works fine.

 

Also kinda fishy that a 3,5 years old account with almost 14k battles asks such a silly question about teamdamage.

 

 



MeetriX #20 Posted 10 June 2019 - 04:36 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 10 June 2019 - 03:30 PM, said:

 

They are, but certainly not fast enough.

 

Any 2nd shot on the same ally in the same match should be an automatic ban (with single shot guns, autocanons can be 2 shots from 2 clips).

 

I've never, accidentally, hit an ally twice in the same match.

 

Cobra 6

 

 

I disagree, but the fines could be higher. Repeat offenders should get some kind of sanction multiplier.






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