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malachi6 #21 Posted 12 June 2019 - 08:12 AM

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I have a feeling the earth is flat.  However, even the most basic research and observation will prove that feeling wrong.  Feelings are not evidence. Feelings are not data.  Ad hoc explanations and feelings are no substitute for actually doing some work.



Balc0ra #22 Posted 12 June 2019 - 08:57 AM

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Ace badges are based on your base XP. Not your total with premium. But how you do the damage counts more. As I've aced tanks with way less damage than a past 1st classes. As in doing more on the 2nd line vs upfront etc. My last ace on an SPG I had almost half the damage vs my best 1st class. But I got two shotgun blast up close on lights pushing base. So I got it on my own spotting. Vs a game just doing damage on others spotting constantly.

 

View PostCsucskos, on 11 June 2019 - 08:38 PM, said:

P.S.S.: I think low tiers are broken in terms of mastery badge, but again, maybe only I don't know how to play tier 1 tanks. (It took me 140 battles to get a 1st class on the Renault FT...)

 

Low tiers are full of alt accounts padding hard to get a good early WN8. So aces there on some tanks, you need a silly good game in temrs of carry to get close. No idea how popular the FT is on tier 1 atm. As you could also say that about lesser popular tanks, or new lines. As it's still 1% you need to beat. And 1% of a few players is a few superb games. Vs 1% of a ton of players on the more popular tanks like the KV-1 etc. Thus you need less of a carry to pull it off. Take the SU-76i. One week 600 base XP is an ace. Next week 1100 is a 2nd class. As when only 3-5 people a week take it out. The fight for the Ace go all over the place. As 1% is most likely just that one game you need to beat. Not 10 000 games. Thus on some tanks it can differ greatly on how much you need to ace vs other tanks on that tier.



WhoCares01 #23 Posted 12 June 2019 - 09:01 AM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 11 June 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

No.

Also since when is getting 1st classes an achievement? :confused:

 

Finished my grind of the M46 Patton last night, 387 battles (incl. stock grind), not a single 1st class mastery batch, yet 1st gun mark and 70% to the 2nd. Looking at wot replay, the lowest ace on the 1.5.0 patch is 1326 base exp., and I know that I had a couple of battles >1k base exp..

Of all the tier 6-10 tanks that I played, I have 10 on which I have not at least a 1st class mastery. Of those some don't really count, e.g. Obj. 257 only played a few battles for a Russian bounce mission, AMX CDC a tank WG put in my garage, which I played with a 50% crew, Standard B I only just recently unlocked top gun/turret/engine. Add to that the first tier 6 tanks that I ever played, KV-85 and VK30.02M - I actually consider to rebuy the KV-85, as of the Russian tanks that I played, it seems to have the lowest ace requirement, and I need aces for the Russian Excalibur mission 15...

And I am rather happy that I managed to get a 1st class on the Obj430, as it is supposed to be one of those tanks that have very high mastery requirements.


Edited by WhoCares01, 12 June 2019 - 09:19 AM.


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View PostWhoCares01, on 12 June 2019 - 09:01 AM, said:

And I am rather happy that I managed to get a 1st class on the Obj430, as it is supposed to be one of those tanks that have very high mastery requirements.

 

Just slaughter everyone when you are top tier and there is no arty.

 



WhoCares01 #25 Posted 12 June 2019 - 10:32 AM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 12 June 2019 - 10:26 AM, said:

 

Just slaughter everyone when you are top tier and there is no arty.

 

 

… which gives you little exp when you abuse the tier 7 and 8 tanks. I had a 6.3k damage game (mostly self-spotting at close distance) under such circumstance on Mannerheim Line which earned me just a 1st class mastery.

 

Edit: Fixed damage and it was a 1st class, not 2nd.


Edited by WhoCares01, 12 June 2019 - 01:24 PM.


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View PostCsucskos, on 11 June 2019 - 08:38 PM, said:

 but have a feeling, that mastery badges are effected by premium account.

 

They are based on base exp so your feeling is wrong.

onderschepper #27 Posted 12 June 2019 - 12:09 PM

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I'll just drop this here - surprisingly no one else has - so as to clarify the official standing.

 

https://eu.wargaming.../article/10221/



Jauhesammutin #28 Posted 12 June 2019 - 12:16 PM

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View PostWhoCares01, on 12 June 2019 - 08:01 AM, said:

 

Finished my grind of the M46 Patton last night, 387 battles (incl. stock grind), not a single 1st class mastery batch, yet 1st gun mark and 70% to the 2nd. Looking at wot replay, the lowest ace on the 1.5.0 patch is 1326 base exp., and I know that I had a couple of battles >1k base exp..

Of all the tier 6-10 tanks that I played, I have 10 on which I have not at least a 1st class mastery. Of those some don't really count, e.g. Obj. 257 only played a few battles for a Russian bounce mission, AMX CDC a tank WG put in my garage, which I played with a 50% crew, Standard B I only just recently unlocked top gun/turret/engine. Add to that the first tier 6 tanks that I ever played, KV-85 and VK30.02M - I actually consider to rebuy the KV-85, as of the Russian tanks that I played, it seems to have the lowest ace requirement, and I need aces for the Russian Excalibur mission 15...

And I am rather happy that I managed to get a 1st class on the Obj430, as it is supposed to be one of those tanks that have very high mastery requirements.

 

M46 Patton was my go to tank during the March of Nations (2017). Incredible easy to get good games / high XP. That's why the requirement for Ace is so high.

 

1K base xp isn't enough for ace in most of the higher tier tanks. >1,4k starts to be hard.



mpf1959 #29 Posted 12 June 2019 - 01:03 PM

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Are mastery badges fair?

 

No! And neither is life!

Next! :girl:



WhoCares01 #30 Posted 12 June 2019 - 01:08 PM

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 12 June 2019 - 12:16 PM, said:

 

M46 Patton was my go to tank during the March of Nations (2017). Incredible easy to get good games / high XP. That's why the requirement for Ace is so high.

 

1K base xp isn't enough for ace in most of the higher tier tanks. >1,4k starts to be hard.

 

I didn't ask for an ace at 1k - 1st class would have been enough ;)

And I don't call it a bad tank or anything, but meta might have slightly shifted since 2017 (e.g. flood of Object MT/HT/TD), and me strictly sticking to standard ammo doesn't help either, I guess. But in the end it is probably just me being too aggressive (= too far forward early on), and to old, slow and inaccurate for snapshot mastery :rolleyes: I had plenty of battles with something like 4k combined or above ("balanced" by plenty others with >1k...), which just never was enough for a 1st class...

Just looked it up, and surprisingly Obj430 and M46 Patton have currently similar ace conditions at ~1330 base, not far from the ~1300 I found for VK100P and T28, which I both managed to ace last weekend :B


Edited by WhoCares01, 12 June 2019 - 01:50 PM.


Csucskos #31 Posted 13 June 2019 - 02:18 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 11 June 2019 - 07:47 PM, said:

Also since when is getting 1st classes an achievement? :confused:

I don't know, I had a bad time with specific tanks. e.g. Renault FT, SU-14-2, BC-155-55

Maybe I'm bad at the game, if you don't feel the same, good for you.

 

 

View Postcrnakoza, on 11 June 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

Confirmation bias. Could also be that you play more expensive tanks (and shoot more premium ammo) when you know you get more credits to cover the costs.

Yes, this was the reason I posted this, to hear the opinions of the others.

 

 

View PostMakroros_The_Arty_Magnet, on 12 June 2019 - 06:48 AM, said:

ITS NOT P.S.S

Thank you, I messed up.

 

 

View Postmalachi6, on 12 June 2019 - 07:12 AM, said:

I have a feeling the earth is flat.  However, even the most basic research and observation will prove that feeling wrong.  Feelings are not evidence. Feelings are not data.  Ad hoc explanations and feelings are no substitute for actually doing some work.

I have to say, the Earth isn't flat, at least I have a feeling about being on a big ball flying through space. Thank you for your contribution.

 

 

View Postonderschepper, on 12 June 2019 - 11:09 AM, said:

I'll just drop this here - surprisingly no one else has - so as to clarify the official standing.

 

https://eu.wargaming.../article/10221/

This article says: "experience" and does NOT specify base XP. Thanks for the heads up though.

 

 

 

So. Thank you everyone, maybe it wasn't clear, but I did not present these things as facts, but rather as a feeling, to hear your opinions. And I have to say I'm relieved. Thanks.

 

P.S.S: I'm happy to hear that tier 1 is not broken anymore, I'm not planning on playing at that tier, but still. It was an annoying feature.



Bordhaw #32 Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:16 PM

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View PostCsucskos, on 11 June 2019 - 07:38 PM, said:

To be honest, I have no evidence, but have a feeling, that mastery badges are effected by premium account. I don't usually have p.a. but sometimes get it through missions or something, and I've noticed that I get much better marks, when I have p.a.

 

Again, I'm not sure if this is the case, but if yes, that is a big problem. For a long time mastery badges worth nothing, but I still liked to get at least 1st class on every vehicle. (Just to show off.) So this would not be a real issue if not for the new missions. The second front contains missions where you are obliged to get 1st class or even ace. So if the mastery badges are not based on base XP, but something else, it should be changed as soon as possible.

 

P.S.: Maybe I play better when I have premium account, but I don't think so.

 

P.S.S.: I think low tiers are broken in terms of mastery badge, but again, maybe only I don't know how to play tier 1 tanks. (It took me 140 battles to get a 1st class on the Renault FT...)

 







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