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Stevies_Team #1 Posted 13 June 2019 - 01:27 AM

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The gun handling is good

37 dispersion??

55 kph romping along

275 Heat if you need it

 

Its a lot like an M41 with a spanky gun now

 

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TankkiPoju #2 Posted 13 June 2019 - 06:12 AM

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Mutz and STA-2 got buffed, but they are still pretty weak when compared to T-44-100. T-44-100 is faster, has better DPM and also armor. For some reason it has also much better gun handling.

 

Not to mention Progetto is also miles better.

 

But then again, T-44-100 and Progetto are also much more expensive.



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 13 June 2019 - 07:12 AM, said:

 

 

Don't compare completely different tanks. These tanks have literally nothing in common (except the class icon) and their playstyle is different. It's kinda stupid and once you go there, you can never go back.

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 13 June 2019 - 05:12 AM, said:

Mutz and STA-2 got buffed, but they are still pretty weak when compared to T-44-100. T-44-100 is faster, has better DPM and also armor. For some reason it has also much better gun handling.

 

Not to mention Progetto is also miles better.

 

But then again, T-44-100 and Progetto are also much more expensive.

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View PostBatelGeuce, on 13 June 2019 - 06:05 AM, said:

 

Don't compare completely different tanks. These tanks have literally nothing in common (except the class icon) and their playstyle is different. It's kinda stupid and once you go there, you can never go back.

Don't compare a tier eight medium to a tier eight medium?  That's kind of stupid as it's all about balance.  "It's not OP,  just have a different playstyle" lol



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 13 June 2019 - 05:12 AM, said:

Mutz and STA-2 got buffed, but they are still pretty weak when compared to T-44-100. T-44-100 is faster, has better DPM and also armor. For some reason it has also much better gun handling.

 

 

But since the STA-2 actually has useful AP ammo penetration you will do more damage in the long run and thus make more credits.

 

T-44-100 is nice but the standard pen is too low for the tanks it meets.

 

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Looking forward to giving the STA-2 and Mutz a go.

 

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TankkiPoju #7 Posted 13 June 2019 - 07:43 AM

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View PostBatelGeuce, on 13 June 2019 - 07:05 AM, said:

 

Don't compare completely different tanks. These tanks have literally nothing in common (except the class icon) and their playstyle is different. It's kinda stupid and once you go there, you can never go back.

 

How are they "completely different" since all are tier 8 medium tanks, which means they will be matched against each other. With T-44-100 you can bully lower tiers with the sheer armor it has, so it can play as a heavy tank against tier 6-7 tanks.

 

MM or map rotation doesn't care about playstyle.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 13 June 2019 - 07:24 AM, said:

T-44-100 is nice but the standard pen is too low for the tanks it meets.

 

I feel T-44-100 pen is alright. The tank is pretty fast, agile and gun handling and shell velocity is good enough to snap shot.

 

Not to mention T-44-100 is a rasha tank so it of course has good camo which means assist damage. STA-2 and Mutz have crap camo.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 13 June 2019 - 07:47 AM.


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it was a good tank even before the buff, except mobility was a good tank even before 

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I agree, the tank is really good. I would have buffed a bit the terrain resistance which is very bad and maybe a little the DPM but that could make it too good maybe ?

 

Other than that I am very happy with the mobility buff which was very needed, the shell velocity that was also very needed for sniping, and the turret mantlet buff is also good, I bounced more shots since the buff.



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I mean the buffs are nice and all but both look pretty pointless compared to the Progetto, which is the king of tier 8 paper meds.

 

I mean they don't really beat it on anything -

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/progetto-46?t=pz-58-mutz~sta-2

 

  • DPM, but then it has burst damage, so that advantage is kind of pointless.
  • Shell velocity
  • Both have worse gun handling (well STA-2 is the same but has worse accuracy)
  • Mobility the Mutz is hands down worse, and the STA-2 and Progetto are about the same.
  • they have one degree of gun depression.
  • None have any armour 
  • And the STA-2 has worse view range.

 

So Progetto, even though it has an autoloader with 720 burst damage in 4s, basically still has better mobility and equal or better gun handling, with the same pen, same alpha.

 

And if you want something more armoured, as other have said, T-44-10 is much better. 

 

And you might as well go for something like the M4 Rev as well, because at least that hits for 390 alpha, and pretty much has as good gun handling, and is paper like all of them. 

 

I mean basically for tier 8 premium -

 

Heavy - Defender > everything else, maybe IS-3A for autoloader memes, and Caern AX/Patriot if you want something hull down with gun depression.

 

Paper med - Progetto > everything else, maybe Rev is you want alpha support, or Lorraine for higher pen/burst.

 

Armoured med - T-44-100 > everything else, again maybe like  Cent 5/1 if you want gun depression. 

 

Light tank - LT-432 > everything else, maybe Even 90 is you really like passive spotting and being annoying. 

 

TD - Skorpion > Everything else, maybe TS-5 or WZ-120-1G if you want some armour and be more assault gun. 

 

There are shed loads of tier 8 premium but basically if you have those 5 you have everything covered (aside crew trainers) and all the rest just don't compete. 



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View Posttajj7, on 13 June 2019 - 09:38 AM, said:

Paper med - Progetto > everything else, maybe Rev is you want alpha support, or Lorraine for higher pen/burst.

 

Progetto is just too good in hands of a good player. WG tuned it too high when compared to Pantera, for example.

 

For example it can clip 480 damage in just 2 seconds, then wait for one extra shell to reload and shoot AGAIN 480 damage in 2 seconds. That's just too good.



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View Posttajj7, on 13 June 2019 - 09:38 AM, said:

I mean the buffs are nice and all but both look pretty pointless compared to the Progetto, which is the king of tier 8 paper meds.

 

I mean they don't really beat it on anything -

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/progetto-46?t=pz-58-mutz~sta-2

 

  • DPM, but then it has burst damage, so that advantage is kind of pointless.
  • Shell velocity
  • Both have worse gun handling (well STA-2 is the same but has worse accuracy)
  • Mobility the Mutz is hands down worse, and the STA-2 and Progetto are about the same.
  • they have one degree of gun depression.
  • None have any armour 
  • And the STA-2 has worse view range.

 

So Progetto, even though it has an autoloader with 720 burst damage in 4s, basically still has better mobility and equal or better gun handling, with the same pen, same alpha.

 

And if you want something more armoured, as other have said, T-44-10 is much better. 

 

And you might as well go for something like the M4 Rev as well, because at least that hits for 390 alpha, and pretty much has as good gun handling, and is paper like all of them. 

 

I mean basically for tier 8 premium -

 

Heavy - Defender > everything else, maybe IS-3A for autoloader memes, and Caern AX/Patriot if you want something hull down with gun depression.

 

Paper med - Progetto > everything else, maybe Rev is you want alpha support, or Lorraine for higher pen/burst.

 

Armoured med - T-44-100 > everything else, again maybe like  Cent 5/1 if you want gun depression. 

 

Light tank - LT-432 > everything else, maybe Even 90 is you really like passive spotting and being annoying. 

 

TD - Skorpion > Everything else, maybe TS-5 or WZ-120-1G if you want some armour and be more assault gun. 

 

There are shed loads of tier 8 premium but basically if you have those 5 you have everything covered (aside crew trainers) and all the rest just don't compete. 

 

the stupid spaghetto 46 should be nerfed asap 

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View PostValkyrionX, on 13 June 2019 - 12:24 PM, said:

the stupid spaghetto 46 should be nerfed asap 

 

Should it? If it was only progetto then I would agree, but it would seem that WoT has raised baseline, so tanks like progetto are now the new *normal*, and everything below is bad. I think proper course of action is to just give forgotten tier 8 tanks the needed attention and bring them up to par. Because I don't see all those the required nerfs coming any time soon (just look at what happened to object 430 and 430u).

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Okay, I am literally sat here multi-tabbing looking at making a purchase.

 

The T-54 First Prototype had my attention, but I am not seeing it mentioned in the comparisons herein and the pricing places it just above the Mutz (£0.17 above, :teethhappy:), and slightly more above the STA-2 (£3.91 difference).

 

Thus how does this tank compare, if you know?



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View Postonderschepper, on 13 June 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

Okay, I am literally sat here multi-tabbing looking at making a purchase.

 

The T-54 First Prototype had my attention, but I am not seeing it mentioned in the comparisons herein and the pricing places it just above the Mutz (£0.17 above, :teethhappy:), and slightly more above the STA-2 (£3.91 difference).

 

Thus how does this tank compare, if you know?

 

It is a T-54 hull with T-44 turret and gun and with worse mobility.

 

It has very good armor against tier 6 and 7, you can bounce some tier 8s too but against tier 9 and 10 armor is useless. Most of the people preffer T-44-100 because it has better mobility which counts more for a medium tank than armor. It is still a good tank but I would preffer the tech tree T-44 which I find to be better in any way (better DPM, better gun handling, way better mobility), basically T-54 mod. 1 trades everything for a bit of more hull armor.


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The shell velocity is lovely, allowing it to actually snipe without having to lead half a dozen tank lengths to hit a Maus at range. It would be a fine vehicle indeed if the rest of the game hadn't changed dramatically since its introduction.

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View PostMeNoobTank, on 13 June 2019 - 08:59 PM, said:

It is a T-54 hull with T-44 turret and gun and with worse mobility.

 

It's not T-54 hull though. Less frontal slope but better side armor.

 

Turret isn't T-44 turret either, it's better armored.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 14 June 2019 - 08:05 AM.


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View Postonderschepper, on 13 June 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

Okay, I am literally sat here multi-tabbing looking at making a purchase.

 

The T-54 First Prototype had my attention, but I am not seeing it mentioned in the comparisons herein and the pricing places it just above the Mutz (£0.17 above, :teethhappy:), and slightly more above the STA-2 (£3.91 difference).

 

Thus how does this tank compare, if you know?

 

I have it and it works for me. And it prints money like crazy, 1500-1700 damage and it have decent credit output. Mobility is not bad either. And in new matchmaker where you see a lot of tier 8 tanks and lower it's amazing.

T-44-100 is good also, i would like to try it out too because of good gun handling and slightly (0.5s) better reload.

But still, T-54 mod 1 is still decent performer, it got armor and mobility buff, if gun was like on T-44-100 it would be flat out most OP tier 8 med.

You basicaly need 200-220 pen to have 50-50% chances to pen it. And if you angle and wiggle your hull - amazing.

Idk, both have pros and cons, but i favor gun so maybe T-44-100 is better to go, but if you like armor (and with T-54 mod 1 you can bully same and lower tiers) go with it.

Ruski medium best medium. And 100 mm guns are nice for overmatching those pesky Strvs.



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I like it, a lot.  Mine fires every 6.2 seconds which is nice for the 3 skill crew in it... I need to look at this as my STB-1 has a 5 skill screw in it (think i fecked up somewhere)

 

Lost all games yesterday in it.  All were Tier 10 so I was unlucky here.

 

Really enjoyed it...   No linger gathering dust.



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It seems they also buffed the turret armor on the STA, it is bouncing quite well now.






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