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STB-1 changes in 1.5.1 - Reasoning explained ?

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TheOnlyMagician #1 Posted 13 June 2019 - 09:01 PM

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Hi, 

I am having a hard time to fathom the new changes over last version. I get it they the company wanted to change the role of the tank. I would like to know what was the thinking of the 'testers' who approved these changes.

All I ask is if you are one of the 'testers' who WG "listens" to, then you must have gave a go ahead for the fvcking changes. Please care to explain why did you do it? How did you justified loosing 10 degree of gun depression over sides for 12 degree gun depression over front. In normal wot games if you play any, you would know that no one pokes over a ridge from front, I always do at an angle, to bait shots at my upper front plate at extreme angles.

 

I guess someone thought making it more inaccurate will prompt close combat fights, well they clearly don't play arty/derp guns. Snipers will snipe. I would not go in close combat unless I have a descent upper front plate and speed to get out on par with the likes of T-54. In random battle I have hard time going hull down. Everyone just come over my ridge and shoots me in hull ( Close combat in a nut shell).

 

 



VonniVidiVici #2 Posted 13 June 2019 - 10:28 PM

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The reasoning is very simple: WG devs don't play WoT, therefore they have no idea how one fights over a ridge.

Panzerfighter_ #3 Posted 13 June 2019 - 10:29 PM

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They didnt change the role of the tank, hes still the ridgeline tank on short and medium distance. But now with sick dpm, decent gun handling and more turret armor. The reason why its lost the good gun depression on the side is the hydropneumatic suspension, works the same way like on the udes mediums. Yeah all around good gun depression would be better, but you cant have it all. Its a great tank now.

Edited by Panzerfighter_, 13 June 2019 - 10:30 PM.


Warzey #4 Posted 14 June 2019 - 02:21 AM

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There's really no need to complain that much, for once WG managed to buff a tank without turning it into OP killing machine.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #5 Posted 14 June 2019 - 03:41 AM

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View PostTheOnlyMagician, on 13 June 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

In random battle I have hard time going hull down. Everyone just come over my ridge and shoots me in hull ( Close combat in a nut shell).

 

The best hulldown tank in the game isn't going to fair any better if the main problem you're encountering is your team is allowing tanks to come over ridgelines and shoot your hull.



TankkiPoju #6 Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:40 AM

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View PostWarzey, on 14 June 2019 - 02:21 AM, said:

There's really no need to complain that much, for once WG managed to buff a tank without turning it into OP killing machine.

 

Now that WG buffed German and Japanese meds.... how much do you they are going to buff tanks like T62A or K-91 in next "balancing" iteration :)

 



LordSkyFury #7 Posted 14 June 2019 - 06:45 AM

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Well there were a lot of concerns about siege mode and loosing so much gun depression on sides on CT forum section. There were many suggestions about it like not giving it siege mode and keeping original values or -12°/-8° where you loose 2° to gain 2°, but WG made their mind about that and it seems like it was decided from start they will not touch this parameter anymore.

 

On the other hand STB-1 is now much better than it was before, it just need little work to use its full gun depression.



kaneloon #8 Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:08 AM

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Dpm was buffed ? Sorry I didn't read that line.

 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #9 Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:04 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 14 June 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

Dpm was buffed ? Sorry I didn't read that line.

 

The DPM was buffed by 122 for the STB-1 and by 307 for the Type 61.

Cobra6 #10 Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:32 AM

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View PostPanzerfighter_, on 13 June 2019 - 09:29 PM, said:

They didnt change the role of the tank, hes still the ridgeline tank on short and medium distance. But now with sick dpm, decent gun handling and more turret armor. The reason why its lost the good gun depression on the side is the hydropneumatic suspension, works the same way like on the udes mediums. Yeah all around good gun depression would be better, but you cant have it all. Its a great tank now.

 

They could of course just manually increase the gun depression angles over the side so it maintains it 10 degrees and just gets 2 extra degrees at the front.......

 

There was no good reason to remove the depression over the side really.

 

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tajj7 #11 Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:40 AM

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Its a weird route but its definitely a better and more effective tank.

 

Plus its not hard to use -12 degrees of gun depression without needing to use your sides, the upper plate is like auto-bounce at that angle, unless it gets overmatched. 

 

Swedish TDs have the same and with experience you just learnt to approach ridges front on. 

 

You only really need gun depression over the side if you don't have much gun depression, its the kind of thing like Russian tank do, but when you have -12 you don't need to do that. 



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 14 June 2019 - 05:40 AM, said:

 

Now that WG buffed German and Japanese meds.... how much do you they are going to buff tanks like T62A or K-91 in next "balancing" iteration :)

 

 

If I had to pick, I'd give K-91 a fully traversable turret and call it a day.

 

EDIT: After playing STB some more I have an advice for newer STB drivers, if there are 3 arties in the battle do yourself a favor and don't play. We are talking 300-400 splash damage from bat chat arties, 800-900 direct side hit from any german arties, 700-800 damage from frontal hits by T92s, even 212A will easily smack you for 500-600. 


Edited by Warzey, 14 June 2019 - 12:34 PM.


crnakoza #13 Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:36 PM

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View PostPanzerfighter_, on 13 June 2019 - 10:29 PM, said:

The reason why its lost the good gun depression on the side is the hydropneumatic suspension, works the same way like on the udes mediums. Yeah all around good gun depression would be better, but you cant have it all. Its a great tank now.

 

But the real thing could adjust suspension of the tracks independently of one another. So you could tilt the tank to the side.

But it is usual of WG to only do half-assed job, if it was russian it would be implemented in all it's glory because historical accuracy. There are a lot of tanks with curious quirks that are not implemented in the game (real life shitbarn has fully traversable turret, hellcat is faster, ferdinand and tiger p can move at the same speed both forward and reverse, amx elc could fully rotate the turret while standing still while having limited traverse arc while in motion...)


Edited by crnakoza, 14 June 2019 - 12:45 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #14 Posted 14 June 2019 - 03:35 PM

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View Postcrnakoza, on 14 June 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

 

But the real thing could adjust suspension of the tracks independently of one another. So you could tilt the tank to the side.

 

This.

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View Postcrnakoza, on 14 June 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

 

But the real thing could adjust suspension of the tracks independently of one another. So you could tilt the tank to the side.

But it is usual of WG to only do half-assed job, if it was russian it would be implemented in all it's glory because historical accuracy. There are a lot of tanks with curious quirks that are not implemented in the game (real life shitbarn has fully traversable turret, hellcat is faster, ferdinand and tiger p can move at the same speed both forward and reverse, amx elc could fully rotate the turret while standing still while having limited traverse arc while in motion...)

 

all that tech but still carrying a CRT monitor

crnakoza #16 Posted 14 June 2019 - 07:10 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 14 June 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

 

all that tech but still carrying a CRT monitor

 

It's a sony trinitron!

Schepel #17 Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:41 PM

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Been playing it a bit. Mostly feels like it got nerfed. I don't really notice the extra forward gun depression, but I certainly miss the side gun depression. The improved armour certainly doesn't feel improved: even at range, anything and everything goes through the upper plate. Just showing the turret is next thing to impossible in most situations, because the forward gun depression isn't THAT good.

malachi6 #18 Posted 14 June 2019 - 09:52 PM

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