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uselessoldman #1 Posted 16 June 2019 - 12:56 AM

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I have read a lot about what you need to run a smooth fps for WOT and from my own experience few of them are actually true. I am posting this cos I am about to upgrade to 4k and I am told it is going to cost me a small fortune cos my current rig is too old and too slow - we will see

 

My rig is approx 7 yrs old except GPU as I upgraded this last year cos my old AMD HD7970 2Gb was far too damn loud

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I currently run ULTRA graphics settings at about 70 fps on average depending on map so everything is maxed out.

 

SO why my post? Good question. My current rig  would cost you peanuts was £1200 new probably could be bought today for about £500 so it has cost me about £100 year from new. That is is not a bad return since I have just completed 33K games

 

Just about to invest in a new 55" TV and a RX 580 8GB GPU any thoughts??

 

Later in the year I will upgrade the core system to the new Ryzen 3rd gen 3600 but that will be 4th quarter until then who knows what sort of fps I will manage but at least I can down scale and let my amp up it to 4k and I know its pretty good at that if it struggles and I doubt it will cos its well within its limits at 1080i (except GPU) and I doubt it needs a 1070/1080 etc

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ClickerMax #2 Posted 16 June 2019 - 01:02 AM

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it all depends how rich are you.

Your rig is much stronger than mine. I play on low graphic settings.

Still i wont spend saved money on a new computer but i'll travel this summer and early autumn. You know, there is life outside wot.

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onderschepper #3 Posted 16 June 2019 - 01:11 AM

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I would advise caution with how you proceed.

 

I, like many others, have just gone through the process of upgrading to 8K which is not cheap at this time, but the prices shall begin to drop off after Christmas. :coin::)



Homer_J #4 Posted 16 June 2019 - 01:21 AM

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2k? 4k? 8k?  Really, it's nearly 2020 guys you should be thinking 16k at least. :amazed:

uselessoldman #5 Posted 16 June 2019 - 01:21 AM

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Prices usually drop end of summer cos everyone is skint !! but 8k wow didnt know WOT could be run in 8k

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View Postuselessoldman, on 16 June 2019 - 01:21 AM, said:

Prices usually drop end of summer cos everyone is skint !! but 8k wow didnt know WOT could be run in 8k

 

Not as yet, but everything moves forward in due course. The specs page has the disclaimer that the requirements are subject to change as technology advances - or words to that effect.

 

I always try to be future proof, but my main point was to avoid making a substantial purchase too soon - if 8K prices come down, then 4K prices shall likely come down as well. :)



uselessoldman #7 Posted 16 June 2019 - 01:35 AM

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Very true. I bought my current TV 5 years ago (last month) and at the time it was £480 (Richard Sounds new) originally on release it had been £840 as it was 3D edge lit and top of the range. 4k had just come out and they were £1500 so since I had just got divorced and left the wife with what was a TV that cost me £1500 and it was getting on a bit I decided to be cautious and opt for 1080i and £480 was a good price I thought since most of them were around the £640 mark

 

So this time I will just play safe again and get LG 4k edge lit as I find it perfectly adequate - 65 would be nice but my room is small and it would take up HALF THE WALL !!! mmmm sounds nice but for 8k you would require something like NVidia 1080i x2 or AMD 295x2 and 8k erm no thinks, I like my drink too much and that would certainly limit my trips to the pub and I hate playing evenings cos all the idiots are on


Edited by uselessoldman, 16 June 2019 - 01:37 AM.


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I got i5 and GTx 1060 = 170 fps+ constant ;)
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View Postuselessoldman, on 16 June 2019 - 12:35 AM, said:

So this time I will just play safe again and get LG 4k edge lit as I find it perfectly adequate - 65 would be nice but my room is small and it would take up HALF THE WALL !!! mmmm sounds nice but for 8k you would require something like NVidia 1080i x2 or AMD 295x2 and 8k erm no thinks, I like my drink too much and that would certainly limit my trips to the pub and I hate playing evenings cos all the idiots are on

 

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 16 June 2019 - 02:02 AM, said:

 

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why, because he has real friends in the pub not just virtual in wot?



Tyrrenus #11 Posted 16 June 2019 - 06:51 AM

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I play on my laptop on lowest graphic settings. I’m so used to it that I realise how much better graphics could be only when I watch some YouTube wot video. But then the idea to spend lots of money to look at beautiful landscapes while I get rekd as always is immediately put aside :D

Of course if my investment in Bitcoin pays off eventually, I may buy a better computer... :)

 



ValkyrionX #12 Posted 16 June 2019 - 09:51 AM

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I have to debunk myths and legends about gaming

 

Playing in 2k or 4k is almost useless, or at least you have to spend a lot in terms of components, including the screen.


To be able to play WOT today in FHD with maximum details without any FPS problems, you just need a 4GB RX570 and a decent Ryzen or Intel processor with at least 4 cores to take advantage of multithreading properly.


We must also debunk the myth of the frequencies of RAM, yes ,  RAM at high frequencies do not give any real benefit for gaming but can only help those who work with gigantic files that need to be compressed or decompressed, as far as gaming [even competitive] it is useless to have RAM with high frequencies.

 


Playing in 2k or 4k means having to spend really a lot on a build, starting from the motherboard, which is with intel or amd sockets you have to buy something really good, then we move on to the processor, which obviously must be one of the top of the range, same thing for the RAMs, if I had to do a build of this kind I would mount RAM GSKILL or HYPERX at least +16GB with +3000mhz of frequency and obviously a powerful GPU that can hold 2k and 4k, obviously we talk about cards like 1080TI, the 2080TI , 2070 or AMD the new NAVI 5700XT or a liquid-cooled overclocked VEGA 64.

 

Of course also quality component like the PC power supply must be powerful and with a 80 Plus Platinum certification and at least with a wattage of at least 800 watts [this depends on the components you buy]

 

Obviously for a similar config the cooling system and the case must be functional to dissipate the heat of a build that will have a big workload during the game.


The monitor shouldn't be forgotten either, if I built a similar rig I'd buy a 244Hz monitor compatible with FreeSync and Gsync, maybe from BenQ or Samsung.

 

However spending so much money to play wot doesn't make much sense, given that today you can make much less expensive rigs with 144Hz [or less] FHD monitors up to 27 inches.

 

Anyway I strongly advise you to wait until 2019 ends to get lower prices on the ZEN2 versions of AMD Ryzen and on the AMD GPUs with GNC architecture and obviously you will have more choice since amd by the end of 2019 will have launched almost everything on the market announced to release during their conference.

 

Building a PC now is madness, wait a few months, prices will fall on the previous components and you will also have the choice of new generations of processors, motherboards, RAM and GPU and also better SSD nvme with the new tecnology of the PCI-E 4.0 

 

 

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personally I find it senseless to spend maybe 1500 euros for a PC for 2k or 4k and then play with maximum details with about 70 FPS, I prefer to play in 1080p [or maximum 1440p] by far and have 244 or 144 FPS


Edited by ValkyrionX, 16 June 2019 - 09:56 AM.


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RAM is very cheap at the moment so should prolly bulk up.

 

I'm running an rx580 8gb and find it loud, annoyingly so. Yes I could alter the settings but stock it's far louder than my old 970.

 

Can't comment on much more as I don't care about in game settings as long as I can hit a stable 70fps on my 108pp ultra wide. I'm not going to spend oodles on a new monitor so ShrugFace


Edited by TheDrownedApe, 16 June 2019 - 09:56 AM.


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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 16 June 2019 - 09:55 AM, said:

RAM is very cheap at the moment so should prolly bulk up.

 

I'm running an rx580 8gb and find it loud, annoyingly so. Yes I could alter the settings but stock it's far louder than my old 970.

 

Can't comment on much more as I don't care about in game settings as long as I can hit a stable 70fps on my 108pp ultra wide. I'm not going to spend oodles on a new monitor so ShrugFace

 

if you find the rx 580 noisy for cooling, you need to set the temperature curve and the fan RPM better.
What version of the rx580 8gb do you have?

 

I remind you that the limit temperature of this GPU is around 85-90 degrees Celsius, so you can set the RPMs in such a way as to let the board reach a maximum temperature of 60 degrees and have a low fan noise


Edited by ValkyrionX, 16 June 2019 - 10:00 AM.


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View PostValkyrionX, on 16 June 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

 

if you find the rx 580 noisy for cooling, you need to set the temperature curve and the fan RPM better.
What version of the rx580 8gb do you have?

 

I remind you that the limit temperature of this GPU is around 85-90 degrees Celsius, so you can set the RPMs in such a way as to let the board reach a maximum temperature of 60 degrees and have a low fan noise

 

I personally don't use the AMD wattman but the MSI Afterburner software

just for comfort, since I have an MSI  RX 480

 

I did like this:

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Since my display can do only 60 Hz refresh (Dell UH2715)
I have told WoT to do vsync. without the fps gets up to 80-90.

 

so my conclusion is: a RX580 might not be enough for fluid gaming with max details in 4k



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View PostPansenmann, on 16 June 2019 - 10:33 AM, said:

so my conclusion is: a RX580 might not be enough for fluid gaming with max details in 4k

To be honest, I concur.

My own RX 480 does only around 60-ish FPS in 1440p with WoT.

Going by google, most games will only barely manage like 30-40fps in 4K with the RX580.

View PostValkyrionX, on 16 June 2019 - 09:51 AM, said:

We must also debunk the myth of the frequencies of RAM, yes ,  RAM at high frequencies do not give any real benefit for gaming but can only help those who work with gigantic files that need to be compressed or decompressed, as far as gaming [even competitive] it is useless to have RAM with high frequencies.

RAM frequencies do matter, up to a certain point.

And for most CPUs that point is like 3000-3200MHz.

If you go above that, the improvements start to literally disappear to the point where you'll likely see zero difference between say... 3600MHz and 4600MHz.

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 Of course also quality component like the PC power supply must be powerful and with a 80 Plus Platinum certification and at least with a wattage of at least 800 watts [this depends on the components you buy]

 Why do you think that the 80 Plus certification is so important?

It only matters in the long run.

I've done some calculations with some assumptions to check the difference between Silver and Titanium, and Titanium only started to be the cheaper option after like 5 years of use (assuming a 750W PSU).

Oh, and they advice "only" a 750W power supply for the RTX 2080 Ti, and in theory, a PC with one of those should never be able to reach the max power draw that it is capable of delivering.

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 personally I find it senseless to spend maybe 1500 euros for a PC for 2k or 4k and then play with maximum details with about 70 FPS, I prefer to play in 1080p [or maximum 1440p] by far and have 244 or 144 FPS

 Personal opinions are personal opinions.

And personally, I've always been used to rather large resolutions.

For a long time I used an old IIyama that was 1920×1440, after that one gave up the ghost I switched to a LaCie that was 2048×1536.

But even good things come to an end, wih that LaCie failing to draw 2-3 lines on the entire screen, so I switched to my current 2560×1440 Acer because FullHD felt too much like a downgrade.

 

As for spending that much money being senseless or not, it depends on what the user intends to do with it.

Imo, it is less senseless than wasting it on tabacco or liquor, because 5 years from now, I'll still be able to enjoy it.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 16 June 2019 - 12:51 PM.


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View PostTheDrownedApe, on 16 June 2019 - 09:55 AM, said:

RAM is very cheap at the moment so should prolly bulk up.

 

I'm running an rx580 8gb and find it loud, annoyingly so. Yes I could alter the settings but stock it's far louder than my old 970.

 

Can't comment on much more as I don't care about in game settings as long as I can hit a stable 70fps on my 108pp ultra wide. I'm not going to spend oodles on a new monitor so ShrugFace

 

Call me an nVidia fanboy (which I'm not, my first few cards were AMD), but any AMD card I've owned was noisy. I bought an RX480 originally for my current rig, but was slightly disappointed with the performance so upgraded to a 1070. Sold my old 480 to my brother who still has it today, and it's very loud. And it's summer now... :trollface:

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A query....

I play on full HD what is the difference between HD & 2 or 4k?

Is there an advantage?

TY.

 

 



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View PostPansenmann, on 16 June 2019 - 10:33 AM, said:

 

I personally don't use the AMD wattman but the MSI Afterburner software

just for comfort, since I have an MSI  RX 480

 

I did like this:

spoiler

 

 

Since my display can do only 60 Hz refresh (Dell UH2715)
I have told WoT to do vsync. without the fps gets up to 80-90.

 

so my conclusion is: a RX580 might not be enough for fluid gaming with max details in 4k

 

 

I actually OCed my monitor from 60 to 65Hz plugged via DVI-I cable to the GPU , a Sapphire RX 570 4GB NITRO+

 

My OC setting for WOT are ; GPU at 1480Mhz [+10.5%] and VRAM at 2050Mhz , +50% power limit and I controll all the PC fans with SpeedFan to reduce the noise 

I also set the VRAM timings to setting 2 because after several tests with MSI Kombustor I saw that with this option I earn another 5-6 extra FPS

 

I have also set the graphics processing profiles, with optimized v-synchronization and x3 buffers, in performance mode, this allows me to play ultra settings without losing FPS since I have an old Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition at 4Ghz which does a slight bottleneck to the GPU if is under 3,7Ghz as frequence 

 

 

Edit:  rx580/570 , or the rx590 are not enought to play a game like wot in 4k ultras settings, you need minimum an Nvidia 2070 , AMD Vega 64 or the new AMD RX5700 or the 5700XT

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View PostExclamationMark, on 16 June 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

Call me an nVidia fanboy (which I'm not, my first few cards were AMD), but any AMD card I've owned was noisy. I bought an RX480 originally for my current rig, but was slightly disappointed with the performance so upgraded to a 1070. Sold my old 480 to my brother who still has it today, and it's very loud. And it's summer now... :trollface:

Well, girl got 380 on her rig and it's silent, More silent than My 970. Tho my case is smaller and has less vent space. Both have two-fan cooling.






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