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8126Jakobsson #21 Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:17 PM

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View PostLeepants, on 19 June 2019 - 03:41 PM, said:

Britishness. :honoring:

 

Is that a good or a bad thing? 

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 19 June 2019 - 08:17 PM, said:

 

Is that a good or a bad thing? 

 

Both and neither.

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View Postshikaka9, on 19 June 2019 - 02:49 PM, said:

 

wy not? 

 

enemy hears Van Halen in a hidden/arriving tank:

-oh sh*t americans!

 

enemy runs away

meanwhile brits shoots in their as*es

glory and medals

 

Not very british tho. :trollface:

fisco77 #24 Posted 19 June 2019 - 11:02 PM

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Tea making facilities :bajan:

Edited by fisco77, 19 June 2019 - 11:03 PM.


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View PostChull, on 19 June 2019 - 02:59 PM, said:

As per the title, I'm wondering what is the selling point on the upcoming british lights, I would love it if they could mount an autocannon at tier 10 (balanced correctly, lol) or something, but when I look at the tier 8 premium it just looks dull and un-needed.

 

Why would anyone buy it or grind the line if they already have lights unlocked from other nations.

 

The unique feature of the Brits is that they die in style. "Never say die, old chap!"



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View PostSchepel, on 19 June 2019 - 10:16 PM, said:

 

The unique feature of the Brits is that they die in style. "Never say die, old chap!"

 



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Whatever they're like as tanks, they should have "Biscuits AB" as a consumable.

 

For the curious, Google will be your friend to stick on the right side of the mods.



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I was never in the Forces but I was under the impression that the Biscuits AB were deliberately so, to stop you crapping yourself in battle?

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View Posttajj7, on 19 June 2019 - 03:05 PM, said:

But based on the premium stats so far, nothing, its just a bad HWK-30. 

 

Yeah but HWK 30 is a premium.

 

What we need to know how good the tier 8 British premium light tank will be, and compare that to HWK 30.

 

EDIT Oh snap, it's already in game files according to tanks.gg  Yeah doesn't look too great with that gun.


Edited by TankkiPoju, 20 June 2019 - 07:58 AM.


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I guess I should have known better than to get my hopes up and get excited about the prospect of WG (finally) adding the British LT line in when I look at this: https://tanks.gg/compare/senlac?t=hwk-30~m-41-90-gf~lt-432~m41d~t92 

 

DPM: worst

Pen: 2nd best

Alpha: in the middle 

RoF: in the middle

Shell velocity: 2nd worst

Aim time: in the middle

Base dispersion: worst (by quite a bit)

P/W: in the middle

rest of mobility: pretty much worse

Armour: in the middle (so non-existent)

VR: shared worst

Radio range: worst

Unknown: Camo values

 

Overall I give it a 3/10 in its current state.

 

This doesnt bode well for the Brit LT line, unless the ST actually shows that this premium tank isnt anything too special and needs some rebalancing to make it more appealing...


Edited by undutchable80, 20 June 2019 - 08:25 AM.


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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 19 June 2019 - 08:17 PM, said:

View PostLeepants, on 19 June 2019 - 03:41 PM, said:

Britishness. :honoring:

 

Is that a good or a bad thing? 

 

Depends on if you are British or not.

If youa re not, you will be treated to divide and conquer tactics and if you are unlucky you will live in a crown colony for undetermined time.

And if you want to start a trade war with the Brits, they tend to send Gunboats and Troops to sell what the want to sell, even Opiates.

So, play safe, don't cross them ;)



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View PostTankkiPoju, on 20 June 2019 - 06:55 AM, said:

 

EDIT Oh snap, it's already in game files according to tanks.gg  Yeah doesn't look too great with that gun.

 

Yeh its bad as Dutch shows in the compare above. 

 

its pretty much average to bad in every category going, I can't see any real redeeming feature compared to the HWK-30 or M41-D, which are hardly dominant tier 8 tanks themselves, but solid tier 8 lights. (lets not even talk about the LT-432)

 

If you want a high pen, good gun handling, decently mobile light with gun depression, well the M41D has slightly more pen, much more DPM (like 500 more), similar alpha, better accuracy, and better gun handling.  Its also pretty much as fast, more agile and has more view range.

 

So the Senlac compared to the M41D has um, well nothing aside its HE shells. 

 

Then if you want a high pen HE firing light, well you have the HWK-30, which again has more DPM even though it has higher alpha, pretty much the same pen (2mm difference), almost the same gun handling but much better accuracy (again with more alpha), then is faster, more agile, has more health and has 30m more base view range as well. 

 

The Senlac has over the HWK-30 basically nothing again, tiny bit more pen and better aim time, that is it, it is then inferior in every other way, and the HWK-30's high pen HE rounds do 320 damage and have higher pen as well. 

 

Literally it is a tank that has nothing going for it, other tier 8 premium lights do what it can do but much better. 

 

Give it an actual 20lber with 226 pen, 230 alpha, and good British accuracy of like 0.32, then you might understand all the other bad stats and it might be decent. 


Edited by tajj7, 20 June 2019 - 10:47 AM.


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They should work pretty well.

 

Italian tanks will round on their team halfway thru, swap sides and join the Brits.

German tanks might be a bit rum, but in the end, British pluck will see them off.

The French tanks have already been stolen by the Germans anyway.

Nobody knows how they'll perform against Japanese, Polish, Swedish and Russian tanks. Not really our fight.

American tanks will join the game halfway thru, get way more credits for the battle than everyone else and claim all the medals.

 

 


Edited by hoveruss, 20 June 2019 - 01:11 PM.


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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 19 June 2019 - 10:27 PM, said:

Whatever they're like as tanks, they should have "Biscuits AB" as a consumable.

 

For the curious, Google will be your friend to stick on the right side of the mods.

 

Erm, nope. They are nasty. :(
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View Postfisco77, on 19 June 2019 - 10:02 PM, said:

Tea making facilities :bajan:

 

Oddly enough, most Brit tanks DO come with a water boiler on board. Although I don't know when they were first fitted....... :medal:

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Got to hand it to WG's Marketing team, they're learning. Can't sell a strong premium tank without it being slammed by the players as a p2w wagon, WG money grubbers, etc. Can't sell a balanced premium tank because few people want to buy it because it's not OP.

 

WG get to a line that's eagerly awaited by many players so they release a hobbled version to super test, players turn their noses up at it, WG balances it "as a result of testing feedback" and suddenly players want it because it's been buffed, it's no worse than the other premium lights on its tier and it's for that new line after all.



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View Postr00barb, on 20 June 2019 - 01:19 PM, said:

Got to hand it to WG's Marketing team, they're learning. Can't sell a strong premium tank without it being slammed by the players as a p2w wagon, WG money grubbers, etc. Can't sell a balanced premium tank because few people want to buy it because it's not OP.

 

WG get to a line that's eagerly awaited by many players so they release a hobbled version to super test, players turn their noses up at it, WG balances it "as a result of testing feedback" and suddenly players want it because it's been buffed, it's no worse than the other premium lights on its tier and it's for that new line after all.

 

I don't really get your point. I think most people want WG to release balanced new tanks, so that means tanks that are neither UP or OP. 

 

In this case its almost completely worse in every way to two premium lights that have WR curves like this -

 

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So two premium lights that are at best balanced if not a little on the underpowered side themselves. 

 

And this new premium British light is considerably worse than both of them, which would logically mean it would be badly underpowered in its current state. SO its not really hard for them to start from a better state, when its blatantly obvious that this tank is not very good and you don't need a super test to tell you that.

 

So what are they 'learning' exactly? Because this is yet another example of a WG tank that goes onto super test that is either weak or blatantly too strong just on initial stats that they should not need testing to find out.

 

These tanks should not even get to super test in this state, its just a giant waste of everyone's time. 

 

 



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View Postundutchable80, on 20 June 2019 - 07:15 AM, said:

I guess I should have known better than to get my hopes up and get excited about the prospect of WG (finally) adding the British LT line in when I look at this: https://tanks.gg/compare/senlac?t=hwk-30~m-41-90-gf~lt-432~m41d~t92 

 

DPM: worst

Pen: 2nd best

Alpha: in the middle 

RoF: in the middle

Shell velocity: 2nd worst

Aim time: in the middle

Base dispersion: worst (by quite a bit)

P/W: in the middle

rest of mobility: pretty much worse

Armour: in the middle (so non-existent)

VR: shared worst

Radio range: worst

Unknown: Camo values

 

Overall I give it a 3/10 in its current state.

 

This doesnt bode well for the Brit LT line, unless the ST actually shows that this premium tank isnt anything too special and needs some rebalancing to make it more appealing...

 

 

 

Balanced then



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View Posttajj7, on 20 June 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

I don't really get your point. I think most people want WG to release balanced new tanks, so that means tanks that are neither UP or OP. 

 

I think you're projecting your personal view. How many times have we seen threads bemoaning the state of a new premium tank as either OP (in which case everyone rushes to get one - see Defender, LT-432) or not, in which case fans of the type, line or nation buy the tank but most players don't bother (M41D, HWK 30)? How many players were caught out by the OMG-so-OP hype around the Chrysler K?

 

Look at the IS-3A; since introduction it was the red-headed stepchild of Russian heavy premiums yet after it was buffed and given the auto-reloader it was the main attraction in Christmas loot box sales and led to a number of complaints about the amount spent on boxes only to be unlucky. Even the Type 59 didn't trade on only its rarity prior to its inclusion in those boxes, that got a nice buff too - look at the number of questions raised at the time about buffing the T-34-3 in a similar fashion.

 

People say they want to see balanced tanks and while I accept that's true for a minority of players (in which I'm including both of us), it certainly doesn't seem to reflect the wider view whenever a new premium is teased.

 

View Posttajj7, on 20 June 2019 - 01:56 PM, said:

So what are they 'learning' exactly? Because this is yet another example of a WG tank that goes onto super test that is either weak or blatantly too strong just on initial stats that they should not need testing to find out.

 

They're learning how to drive engagement and attract potential purchasers. "Here's a new premium tank with terrible stats - please buy it" isn't as strong a sales message as, "we listened to testing feedback and revised several parameters on our new premium tank to ensure it's more balanced". Thus the tank gets released in a state that's fairly balanced and doesn't need an OP factor or gimmick to drive sales, players are happier because their perception is that WG are listening to feedback.

 

Super test has become the start of the marketing process. I'm sure WG will review the testing results and I'm equally sure that most, if not all, testers will say the tank's terrible. Where our opinion differs is that I think WG have intended that from the start. You don't maintain a billion-dollar business without looking at the long game.







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