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Grand_Moff_Tano #41 Posted 29 June 2019 - 11:41 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 29 June 2019 - 10:40 AM, said:

 

Sure! :popcorn:

 

Trust me, may make it to live, but it will get replaced, and there are far better candidates than a tank that may or may not even have existed as a blueprint.

Edited by Grand_Moff_Tano, 29 June 2019 - 11:41 AM.


Paul_Kouadio #42 Posted 29 June 2019 - 02:20 PM

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View PostGrand_Moff_Tano, on 29 June 2019 - 11:24 AM, said:

 

Novel feature or not, I don't think there is any auto cannon that would fit Tier 10 bar the OTO Melara 76mm 

 

I do believe the ARES 75mm (as we've said here) would fit nicely at tier X as well.

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View PostPaul_Kouadio, on 29 June 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

 

I do believe the ARES 75mm (as we've said here) would fit nicely at tier X as well.

 

True, and there are a few other Autocannon designs that are around that gun calibre as well. This one for example, though minus the Auto part, would make a reasonable Tier 10 Tank destroyer

 



Paul_Kouadio #44 Posted 29 June 2019 - 02:58 PM

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At this point I wonder whether the upper limit of tank design (1960s) is still applicable to WoT. I mean, WG could (or maybe already does) go up to the 2000s, and add in tanks that have no composite/reactive armour, nor smoothbore guns. Or they could just slap the term "rifled" on real-life smoothbores and throw them in the game. 

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View PostPaul_Kouadio, on 29 June 2019 - 02:58 PM, said:

At this point I wonder whether the upper limit of tank design (1960s) is still applicable to WoT. I mean, WG could (or maybe already does) go up to the 2000s, and add in tanks that have no composite/reactive armour, nor smoothbore guns. Or they could just slap the term "rifled" on real-life smoothbores and throw them in the game. 

 

The 60s as top time interval has been outdated from several years. STB-1 is from the 70s, same is STRV 103 IIRC. 

The 2 major limitation are reactive armour, that nowadays are almost always present on big country MBTs, and smoothbore guns. The latter was overcome a couple of time by WG: with T-62A that was a small series that used a 100mm rifled gun and on the T95 tier 8 MT, where they added rifled in the name and, presumably, reduced the gun performance.



XxKuzkina_MatxX #46 Posted 30 June 2019 - 12:47 PM

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Looks like the Manticore was a real design from 1955 but was called the Chimera.

 

Height: 1.68m

Width: 2.44m

Length: 4.65m/6.91m (without/with the gun)

Guns: Gun: QF 105mm (ex 20 pounder). The 105mm L7 was still being developed at this time.

Engines: Rolls Royce B81 (198bhp @ 3700 RPM)

Suspension: Webbed Single Trailing Spud

Radio: B 47 VHF and C 47 VHF

Crew: 2 (Commander/Gunner/Radio Operator, Driver/Loader)

Weight: 12.4 t

Max Speeds: 51.49km/h

Hull: 25mm / 29mm / 17mm

Turret: 28mm / 28mm / 20mm

Elevation/Depression: +10/-10

Shell Capacity: 20 rounds

 

Design

 


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 30 June 2019 - 03:11 PM.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 30 June 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

Looks like the Manticore was a real design from 1955 but was called the Chimera.

 

Height: 1.68m

Width: 2.44m

Length: 4.65m/6.91m (without/with the gun)

Guns: Gun: QF 105mm (ex 20 pounder). The 105mm L7 was still being developed at this time.

Engines: Rolls Royce B81 (198bhp @ 3700 RPM)

Suspension: Webbed Single Trailing Spud

Radio: B 47 VHF and C 47 VHF

Crew: 2 (Commander/Gunner/Radio Operator, Driver/Loader)

Weight: 12.4 t

Max Speeds: 51.49km/h

Hull: 25mm / 29mm / 17mm

Turret: 28mm / 28mm / 20mm

Elevation/Depression: +10/-10

Shell Capacity: 20 rounds

 

Design

 

 

Interesting.

 

I don't see a revolving driver's position (K-91 line), so it was probably planned in the same sense as the ELC bis: turret forward while driving, vehicle stationary while shooting.



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View PostWindSplitter1, on 30 June 2019 - 10:20 PM, said:

Interesting.

 

I don't see a revolving driver's position (K-91 line), so it was probably planned in the same sense as the ELC bis: turret forward while driving, vehicle stationary while shooting.

 

Good catch, because this isn't really a tank. The aim of the project was "To design a vehicle-mounted substitute for the BAT which is acceptable in the forward Infantry positions. Its role is to provide anti-tank defense for the infantry battalion up to 1000 yards stand off distance in front of the forward defended localities."

 

The more accurate description is a self-propelled AT gun very similar to the ELC Bis. The designer also used an oscillating turret to reduce the overall height (higher gun position) of the vehicle. A loader assist electromechanical system was also included to help with the loader duties. The L36A1 105mm APDS round weighs 18.6kg and about 84cm in length, moving that around a cramped space with any efficiency is a challenging task!

 

Loader Assist

 



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Well, this Facebook post explains where the name "Setter" comes from: https://www.facebook.com/TheFriendsofTheTankMuseum/posts/2235205713366100

 

But more interesting is this crazy project the Brits had as well: a fast, small tank (lighter than the Centurion) that had good frontal armour, a 160mm gunn firing HESH shells: https://www.facebook.com/TheFriendsofTheTankMuseum/posts/in-the-second-of-our-british-cold-war-design-series-by-ed-franciscalibancaliban-/2191530154400323/

Some pics:

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