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ExclamationMark #1 Posted 21 June 2019 - 10:05 PM

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https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/06/21/wot-supertest-kampfpanzer-50-t/

 

Stats:

 

From first glance, the tank may look strong. But look at it some more...

 

Pros:

- very good frontal armour for a T9 med (at least on paper)

- good viewrange; joint 2nd highest in-class

- high top speeds (60/20)

- good pw/wt ratio

- good pen values (268/310/53)

- above average in-class accuracy

- strong ramming potential (assuming it is 50 tonnes), just like the E50

- good aimtime

- good gun depression

 

Cons:

- frontal armour may be good, but everything else is absolutely terrible. It has worse armour than even the Leopard PTA, and I assume just as bad roof armour, so arty pens won't be entirely uncommon

- very poor in-class traverse speeds

- joint lowest in-class alpha damage (ignoring stock guns and BC 25t AP)

- abysmally bad DPM of 2200. While not the worst, it's far worse than many other T9 meds

 

So... what the hell is the point of this tank?

From the stats, it's not particularly good at anything, and, while it may not have many, its negative attributes are very prominent. 

It's not exactly a sniper, it doesn't have good enough armour to play at the front, and in a straight up duel many tanks will beat it due to its terrible DPM.

This tank just seems really odd overall. Like, I understand tanks like the Leopard PTA, Type 61, Centurion 7/1 etc. They all have something they are good at. This tank... It doesn't really look like it has anything its good at. And its downsides just mean it will be outmatched in so many situations...

 

Am I wrong here? :amazed:

(and yes, I understand this tank is still early in testing phase)


Edited by ExclamationMark, 21 June 2019 - 10:08 PM.


Strizi #2 Posted 21 June 2019 - 10:15 PM

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The ugly model and this camo net or whatever disqualify the tank already :izmena::sceptic: They should buff the dpm atleast to make it somewhat viable.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #3 Posted 21 June 2019 - 10:20 PM

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If you don't mind, i will add some stats maybe it'll make things better...

 

DPM: 2301.5

Accuracy: 0.316

Aim time: 1.92s

Dispersion on turret movement: 0.096

                            tank traverse: 0.134

                                     moving: 0.134

Hull armor: 120/40mm

Turret armor: 250/40mm

 

Stats

 

Anyway, these stats are subject to change so we'll see!



ExclamationMark #4 Posted 21 June 2019 - 10:24 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 21 June 2019 - 10:20 PM, said:

If you don't mind, i will add some stats maybe it'll make things better...

 

All of which are in the OP (other than soft stats).


Edited by ExclamationMark, 21 June 2019 - 10:24 PM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #5 Posted 21 June 2019 - 10:30 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 22 June 2019 - 01:24 AM, said:

All of which are in the OP (other than soft stats).

 

Not really, the DPM (2301.5), accuracy (0.316) and aim time (1.92s) are the performance stats (100% crew + 10% commander bonus) not the nominal stats (modules) WG uses in those cards. To WG the tank has 2206.9 DPM, put a 100% crew in it and that jumps to 2301.5. Those are the numbers you use in tanks.gg for example.


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 21 June 2019 - 11:53 PM.


tajj7 #6 Posted 22 June 2019 - 08:31 AM

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AMX-30 proto is basically what it is, with less mobility, alpha, dpm, traded for a little more armour, pen and gun handling,

 

Depends how well rounded sloped that turret is and if the mantlet is strong, but that should be a turret where most tier 10 guns bounce quite often, a bit like the Cent 7/1.

 

Upper plate should auto-bounce with the gun depression so help with over peaks and probably enough to bounce like 200 - 220 pen on the flat, be interesting to see how strong the lower plate is and whether it can bully lower tiers.

 

Overall looks quite decent to me, not massively OP but something between an AMX-30 and Cent 7/1 but i'll depend on that turret I reckon. Also seems odd to me it has 320 alpha, could easily be moved to 390 IMO.



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #7 Posted 22 June 2019 - 09:44 AM

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A german 7/1

 

With a bit more mobility and less armour



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View PostExclamationMark, on 21 June 2019 - 11:05 PM, said:

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/06/21/wot-supertest-kampfpanzer-50-t/

 

Stats:

 

From first glance, the tank may look strong. But look at it some more...

 

Pros:

- very good frontal armour for a T9 med (at least on paper)

- good viewrange; joint 2nd highest in-class

- high top speeds (60/20)

- good pw/wt ratio

- good pen values (268/310/53)

- above average in-class accuracy

- strong ramming potential (assuming it is 50 tonnes), just like the E50

- good aimtime

- good gun depression

 

Cons:

- frontal armour may be good, but everything else is absolutely terrible. It has worse armour than even the Leopard PTA, and I assume just as bad roof armour, so arty pens won't be entirely uncommon

- very poor in-class traverse speeds

- joint lowest in-class alpha damage (ignoring stock guns and BC 25t AP)

- abysmally bad DPM of 2200. While not the worst, it's far worse than many other T9 meds

 

So... what the hell is the point of this tank?

From the stats, it's not particularly good at anything, and, while it may not have many, its negative attributes are very prominent. 

It's not exactly a sniper, it doesn't have good enough armour to play at the front, and in a straight up duel many tanks will beat it due to its terrible DPM.

This tank just seems really odd overall. Like, I understand tanks like the Leopard PTA, Type 61, Centurion 7/1 etc. They all have something they are good at. This tank... It doesn't really look like it has anything its good at. And its downsides just mean it will be outmatched in so many situations...

 

Am I wrong here? :amazed:

(and yes, I understand this tank is still early in testing phase)

 

Maybe this is the mystery Tier IX for frontlines

Mav75 #9 Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:33 AM

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View PostTheJumpMaster, on 22 June 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

 

Maybe this is the mystery Tier IX for frontlines

 

Frontlines has the AE Phase I, while this will be for Ranked. At least according to Dezgames and QuickyBaby.

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View PostMav75, on 22 June 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

 

Frontlines has the AE Phase I, while this will be for Ranked. At least according to Dezgames and QuickyBaby.

 

AE Phase I??

Mav75 #11 Posted 22 June 2019 - 10:42 AM

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View PostTheJumpMaster, on 22 June 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

AE Phase I??

 

American tier IX Heavy Tank.

 

 



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View PostMav75, on 22 June 2019 - 11:42 AM, said:

 

American tier IX Heavy Tank.

 

 

 

I googled AE Phase I after my last post. Cheers

demon_tank #13 Posted 22 June 2019 - 01:54 PM

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Personally im gonna be happy to get both and iam percectly satisfied with their novelty and rarity.

Dont care much about the stats as long as they are not completely trash.

 

Free tanks who cares.



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View Postdemon_tank, on 22 June 2019 - 01:54 PM, said:

Personally im gonna be happy to get both and iam percectly satisfied with their novelty and rarity.

Dont care much about the stats as long as they are not completely trash.

 

Free tanks who cares.

 

they would have been better than premium tier 8 or X tier

What is the point of the tiers 9 as a prize tanks?


you can use them only in the random ... in any case I don't think I will take the German one since I'm not going to waste time/credits in such a bad season of ranked battles



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View PostValkyrionX, on 22 June 2019 - 07:16 PM, said:

 

they would have been better than premium tier 8 or X tier

What is the point of the tiers 9 as a prize tanks?


you can use them only in the random ... in any case I don't think I will take the German one since I'm not going to waste time/credits in such a bad season of ranked battles

 

You forget the novelty - rarity factor and that tier 9 has the best MM in randoms. Plus the Frontline reward tank saves you 10k credits per battle with the free auto-replenish Large repair kit.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #16 Posted 24 June 2019 - 04:10 PM

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Stats update...

 

DPM: from 2301.5 to 2107.7 (nerf)

Dispersion on turret movement: from 0.096 to 0.115 (nerf)

                               tank traverse: from 0.134 to 0.153 (nerf)

                                        moving: from 0.134 to 0.153 (nerf)

 

:facepalm:


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 24 June 2019 - 04:50 PM.


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so beautiful tenk, almost italian

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 24 June 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

Stats update...

 

DPM: from 2301.5 to 2107.7 (nerf)

Dispersion on turret movement: from 0.096 to 0.115 (nerf)

                               tank traverse: from 0.134 to 0.153 (nerf)

                                        moving: from 0.134 to 0.153 (nerf)

 

:facepalm:

 

have fun playing ranked for this trash :D

XxKuzkina_MatxX #19 Posted 24 June 2019 - 11:01 PM

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View PostMajor_Gitgud, on 25 June 2019 - 01:02 AM, said:

have fun playing ranked for this trash :D

 

You know it was embarrassing to write these changes. It's a harsh nerf to a tank that was not good to start with and also a reward for some brutal competition. Personally i don't play ranked but i expect a better reward for the effort and time people put into this mode.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 25 June 2019 - 12:01 AM, said:

 

You know it was embarrassing to write these changes. It's a harsh nerf to a tank that was not good to start with and also a reward for some brutal competition. Personally i don't play ranked but i expect a better reward for the effort and time people put into this mode.

 

well i didnt mean that for you personally ;) i mean wtf is this BS, ranked is beyond stupid already and now the main reward for all of that crap is a tank which is not even good on paper + we dont have actual  armor model.




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