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Hellfoxe #1 Posted 22 June 2019 - 06:56 PM

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It seems Japan succeed installing naval guns into they tanks during wo2 in desperate attempt to defend Japan.

The tank in the picture is a Chi-Ha tank with a new turret to fit the 120mm "naval" gun to counter op tanks. It only fire HE shells but the penetration is good enough to kill a sherman tank.

Mayby is this tank worth of it become tier 4 prem tank.

 

Gun: 120mm

Crew: 5 people

armor: 25/25/20

Turret: 35/25/25

 

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Edited by Hellfoxe, 22 June 2019 - 06:58 PM.


ExclamationMark #2 Posted 22 June 2019 - 06:57 PM

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No. :)

mjs_89 #3 Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:03 PM

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Yes. :great:

NekoPuffer_PPP #4 Posted 22 June 2019 - 07:28 PM

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Tier 4? No.

 

Tier 5? Possibly.

 

I'd prefer the TD line though...



leggasiini #5 Posted 22 June 2019 - 08:05 PM

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Shinhoto Chi-Ha was a name specifically dedicated to the Chi-Ha Kai, AKA an improved Chi-Ha with a new turret and a gun. While this variant is indeed based on the Chi-Ha Kai (or Shinhoto Chi-Ha), calling it "Shinhoto" is wrong. It doesn't have an official designation, though, so it would probably be called something like "Chi-Ha 12 cm Short Gun", "Chi-Ha Short Gun" or just "Chi-Ha 12cm". It also would fit better as tier 5 than tier 4 - the same gun is already found on the O-I Experimental at tier 5. That gun could also fire HEAT and AP shells (which the O-I Exp has), and 12 cm HEAT shells are no-no for tier 4. That being said, it wouldn't be as unique as it first seems like with so many derp mediums at those tiers. Besides, tier 5 derp MTs and broken, dumb and there's already far too many derps at tier 4-6. Besides, there are far more interesting Japanese tanks to add. I've waited 6 years for the TD line already and it's still not here 

 

Also...why have a 12 cm Chi-Ha when you can full retard and have a 20 cm Chi-Ha instead :trollface:

Yes, Japan had numerous plans to slap different kinds of guns on Chi-Ha hull (which is where the Short Gun Chi-Ha was also born). One of those included a 20 cm short gun. A small, stealthy Shitbarn with even bigger gun, anyone? :^)

 

Either way, I would avoid adding new derp tanks to the game if possible, since they tend to often be problematic to the game. The Short Gun Chi-Ha, like I already said, wouldn't even be that unique. Rather have a full line of Japanese TDs, Japanese LTs and then a bunch of other vehicles as premiums.


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Dorander #6 Posted 22 June 2019 - 09:04 PM

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Yeah, 'cause the last time Wargaming decided to design Japanese tanks with HE guns, we all had a really good time.

 

Derpguns don't make for fun gameplay since a single shot tends to ruin somebody's entire game. This then gets "balanced" out by reducing most other critical factors of the tank, giving a min-maxed end result that isn't balanced but broken.



Nishi_Kinuyo #7 Posted 23 June 2019 - 03:07 PM

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View PostDorander, on 22 June 2019 - 09:04 PM, said:

Yeah, 'cause the last time Wargaming decided to design Japanese tanks with HE guns, we all had a really good time.

WG didn't "design" any of those.

Not really anyhow, since history did so for them.

 

And yes, derps are double plus unfun.



Makroros_The_Arty_Magnet #8 Posted 23 June 2019 - 03:12 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 22 June 2019 - 07:05 PM, said:

Shinhoto Chi-Ha was a name specifically dedicated to the Chi-Ha Kai, AKA an improved Chi-Ha with a new turret and a gun. While this variant is indeed based on the Chi-Ha Kai (or Shinhoto Chi-Ha), calling it "Shinhoto" is wrong.

 

Imma call it Manga Tentacle.

Karasu_Hidesuke #9 Posted 23 June 2019 - 05:09 PM

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Something needs to be done because the current state of the Japanese tech tree is abysmal. IMO both for the tech tree tanks and the vast selection of premium tanks there is.

Tealo #10 Posted 23 June 2019 - 05:20 PM

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Yes for Tier 5 maybe 6 could be fun and ie balanced (a glass cannon) but not Tier 4..

gav00 #11 Posted 23 June 2019 - 05:21 PM

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Oh another derp gun? No.

ValkyrionX #12 Posted 23 June 2019 - 06:31 PM

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Dorander #13 Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:36 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 23 June 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

WG didn't "design" any of those.

Not really anyhow, since history did so for them.

 

And yes, derps are double plus unfun.

 

I get what you mean but real life tanks don't have hitpoint values and real life guns don't have damage values. Wargaming makes up all the numbers for gameplay, so what we faced in-game, they very much designed.

4nt #14 Posted 23 June 2019 - 08:30 PM

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Chi-ha is fine, btw wouldn't like the O-I exp derp on any tank (which that gun is). Total BS gun and useless.

Amnariel #15 Posted 25 June 2019 - 12:50 AM

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We should make a petition about adding more japanese vehicles to the game,as it is trending now to make petition about anything :)

Balc0ra #16 Posted 25 June 2019 - 08:36 AM

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View PostDorander, on 23 June 2019 - 07:36 PM, said:

 

I get what you mean but real life tanks don't have hitpoint values and real life guns don't have damage values. Wargaming makes up all the numbers for gameplay, so what we faced in-game, they very much designed.

 

It's an arcade game. Not a tank sim. So not having numbers and values on anything is not gonna work then. As then we would be like WT's historic mode and die on the first hit half the time vs even lower tiers depending on what they took out on your tank. Derp guns even more so there.

 

 

Even so this could be balanced to fit between the German and US/UK 105 and Russian 122mm derps on tier 5. 122mm derp still has that nasty HEAT with 140 pen and 370 alpha. But if this run's HE only and no HEAT on a 120? It would not be as broken tbh. Sure you could argue that we don't need more derps. But tier 5 is already full of them so we won't notice one more. That and it's not like the platform it's on won't die instantly to the 105 derp even.



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View PostDorander, on 22 June 2019 - 08:04 PM, said:

...don't make for fun gameplay since a single shot tends to ruin somebody's entire game. This then gets "balanced" out by reducing most other critical factors of the tank, giving a min-maxed end result that isn't balanced but broken.

 

Hmmm... Why do I feel like I'm getting déjà vu?



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View PostKozzy, on 25 June 2019 - 08:37 AM, said:

 

Hmmm... Why do I feel like I'm getting déjà vu?

 

one guy's fun is another's ragequit... 

that's the way it is in all competitive games, they are all about rolling someone's face up.



Cobra6 #19 Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:26 AM

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120mm HE gun on Thier 4 will be completely broken.

 

Tier 6 would be a better idea.

 

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