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Listy #1 Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:36 PM

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Myself and a colleague were discussing what TD's were likely to be in game and where. And we quickly came to the realisation that there's allot of ground to cover, but not much in the way of designs. The main British Tank hunter was the M10, which due to WG.nets system will go to premium.

This is what we've got, based on gun tier. The rough Gun tier assessment we came up with is thus:
Name:Tier
2Pdr/6Pdr:IV
75mm: Just scrape in at Tier V?
17Pdr:VI or VII
20Pdr:VIII
32Pdr: If we compare shell speed and weight sizes. It fires a lighter shell a faster than a German 128mm L/51. So IX I feel is about right
183mm: 7" At weapon :D Good bye!

That leaves Tiers 2-3 uncovered. but I suppose a Bofors 37mm and SA-34 (both used by the British) can fit in there. Looking at the British TD guns, I get the impression that htey'll fire, fast, with very good accuracy (High M/v) reasonable penetration but low damage.

So from that we can guess the following.
II: Carrier with SA-34 as TII
III:
IV: Aletco (6PDr and Derp options)
V:
VI: Archer (If they can implement it, remember this game has to deal with lowest common denominator, and 5% of people can't work out how to start a battle)
VII: Charioteer? (While it could logically be combined with the Cromwell, to give that a 20Pdr gun, the hull armour was stripped out so it was a different tank.)
VIII: Tortoise
IX: FV4005 stage 2

That does leave a gap. we can't use the half-tracks either.

Gigaton #2 Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:46 PM

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View PostListy, on 22 December 2011 - 01:36 PM, said:

183mm: 7" At weapon :D Good bye!

Only had HESH shell AFAIK. HE thrower ingame perhaps.

6 pounder and 17 pounder limited TDs would be tier 3 and 5 respectively, IMO.

Listy #3 Posted 22 December 2011 - 01:51 PM

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View PostGigaton, on 22 December 2011 - 01:46 PM, said:

Only had HESH shell AFAIK. HE thrower ingame perhaps.

6 pounder and 17 pounder limited TDs would be tier 3 and 5 respectively, IMO.

No worries from me!

Remember both the 6Pdr and 2Pdr are in game at the moment. Just checked, All are Tier IV guns. That creates a issue around tier 5. I susppose the 75mm we used might just scrape in at Tier V. it was marginally better than the US one. Hold on I shall go edit.

Gigaton #4 Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:03 PM

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View PostListy, on 22 December 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

Remember both the 6Pdr and 2Pdr are in game at the moment. Just checked, All are Tier IV guns.

Actually, the 57mm M1 is somehow tier V on the US TD tree. The tank ones are tier 4 though.

deveen23 #5 Posted 22 December 2011 - 02:14 PM

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View PostGigaton, on 22 December 2011 - 02:03 PM, said:

Actually, the 57mm M1 is somehow tier V on the US TD tree. The tank ones are tier 4 though.

It's listed as a tier 5 weapon, but it's not actually available on Wolverine, which is tier 5 TD.

Listy #6 Posted 22 December 2011 - 03:13 PM

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I went by this chart:
http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Gun


I missed the 57mm M1 though. IIRC there were two barrel lengths for the 6Pdr, I suspect that the M1 is the longer of the two.

RV_Flowers #7 Posted 22 December 2011 - 06:28 PM

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I put this Gun list together a wile ago. Their in some sort of order, their are a mix of real, development and a prototypes. (this list is all gun type weapons for tanks and tank destroyers)

British tank guns info
Vary light weapons:
Vickers 0.5 inch machine gun – A smaller round than the .50BMG. (burst fire)
Boys Anti-tank rifle 0.55 inch – It fire a slightly larger round than the .50BMG. (single shot)
Besa 15mm auto-cannon – Smaller weapon than the 20mm. (burst fire)

Pre-war tank weapons:
QF 3 pounder gun 32cal – A medium velocity gun designed pre-war.
QF 3 pounder gun 40cal – Longer barrel version of above weapon.
15 pounder mortar – This is the close support (CS) counter part to above, it is a short range weapon.

Early-war weapons:
QF 2 pounder Mk IX – Pre-war production version.
QF 2 pounder Mk X – Mid to late war production version.
QF 2 pounder Mk XB – Late war version fitted with littlejohn adapter (squeeze bore).
QF 3.7 inch howitzer – Pre-war CS counter part to above weapons.
QF 3 inch howitzer – Improved version of above weapon.
QF 25 pounder howitzer - Used in Africa as anti-tank gun.
QF 3 inch AA gun - Dew to a large number of spare weapons it was planed to be used as an anti-tank gun.
QF 3.7 inch AA gun - The British equivalent to the 88, but only used as an anti-tank in an emergency.

Mid-war weapons:
QF 6 pounder Mk III – Early production version, short barrelled version(L/43 barrel)
QF 6 pounder Mk V – Long barrelled version (L/50 barrel), with muzzle brake.
QF 6 pounder squeeze bore – Prototype gun fitted with a squeeze bore adapter.
QF 95 mm howitzer – CS counter part of the above weapon.
M3 75 mm – Standard US weapon scavenged from damaged tank and fitted to Churchill's  
QF 75 mm – Modified 6 pounder weapons, they use US ammunition.

Late-war weapons:
Vickers HV 75 mm – Prototype design fit a larger high velocity gun in the Cromwell turret.
QF 17 pounder Mk II – Early tank version, no muzzle brake.
QF 17 pounder Mk VI – Tank version with muzzle brake, possible improved performance.
QF 77 mm HV – Modified version of above (same shells, smaller shell cases).
QF 32 pounder – Prototype heavy anti tank gun, capable of being fitted to a tank.

Post-war weapons:
QF 20 pounder Mk I – Post-war replacement for 17 pounder.
OF 20 pounder Mk II – As above fitted with bore extractor.
L7 105 mm – Almost the NATO standard tank gun, developed in late 50's
L1 120 mm – Developed from the US gun (120 mm T53).
L11 120 mm – Developed for Centurion upgrade (Chieftain) in the late 50's.
140 mm – Prototype developed in parallel with the L11 120 mm.

steview162 #8 Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:31 PM

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I don't get the 2pdr and 6pdr in the same tier. Shifting the 2pdr down a tier would make sense, and life easier for them. They may have to do

a bit of chopping and changing bringing our tanks in.

Battledragon #9 Posted 22 December 2011 - 09:55 PM

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There was a 57mm/6pdr Automatic gun tested in an A24 Cavalier I believe.  Can't find a picture of it but have found a video of the gun its self being test fired.

The gun was used operationally on the De Havilland Mosquito bomber for attacking U boats!

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75mm: Just scrape in at Tier V?
Its QF 75 mm, better than US 75mm, Heavies & TD should get 77mm HV at tier 5, its like M1A1 with better pen

then 17pounder at tier 6  :)

theta0123 #11 Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:07 PM

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we are forgetting the interwar gun Ordnance QF 3 pounder Vickers
http://en.wikipedia....pounder_Vickers

Listy #12 Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:55 PM

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View PostBattledragon, on 22 December 2011 - 09:55 PM, said:

There was a 57mm/6pdr Automatic gun tested in an A24 Cavalier I believe.  Can't find a picture of it but have found a video of the gun its self being test fired.

The gun was used operationally on the De Havilland Mosquito bomber for attacking U boats!

The Molins 6Pdr is a different beast to the Ordnance QF 6Pdr.

theta0123 #13 Posted 23 December 2011 - 02:16 PM

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View PostListy, on 22 December 2011 - 11:55 PM, said:

The Molins 6Pdr is a different beast to the Ordnance QF 6Pdr.
no it is not....

Listy #14 Posted 23 December 2011 - 02:30 PM

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View Posttheta0123, on 23 December 2011 - 02:16 PM, said:

no it is not....

Damn. You're right. :D Screwed that up didn't I?

However this is good news :) 6Pdr with a ROF of 60 RPM instead of the current 30RPM) makes Listy a happy tanker.

Listy #15 Posted 24 December 2011 - 01:18 PM

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I've been looking at the guns used by the British, and it appears that we went with the Very High Velocity approach. Nearly all our guns seemed to fire light, lower calibre shells at astounding velocity. Take the 32Pdr. It fires its shell at a higher velocity than the German 128mm/L61! Yet the shell is nearly half the weight and only 94mm.

So this seems to imply British guns will be Very accurate (High MV=good accuracy) with decent penetration (Increase either MV or weight for penetration) but almost no damage (according to WG.Net calibre = Damage).

The other thing is a lighter shell means a faster reload.

saml6131 #16 Posted 24 December 2011 - 02:11 PM

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So things are looking good gun wise for us British tanks. They'll probably find a way to counter it though. :(

Listy #17 Posted 24 December 2011 - 02:21 PM

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Transmission is at the back in most tanks, so they can't pull that trick again.

kwk75l48 #18 Posted 24 December 2011 - 03:52 PM

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avenger is a td itll slot in at 6 or maybee 7

remember the little john on 2pdr
and if they allow apds as non gold ammo on some tanks that will boost the pen a fair bit. now the molin firing apds watch out french tanks  :Smile-playing:

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View PostListy, on 24 December 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Transmission is at the back in most tanks, so they can't pull that trick again.

They'll probably make your tank catch fire after taking a round to the bivvie or something. Which kinda makes you wonder what on earth your crew is putting in their tea...

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View Post_Knight_Commander_Pask_, on 24 December 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

They'll probably make your tank catch fire after taking a round to the bivvie or something. Which kinda makes you wonder what on earth your crew is putting in their tea...
Scottish regiment? They'll drink anything...

Consider some of the stories I've been told from Op Granby. One tanker said it was a good job we didn't have to fight, straight away, as all the smoke dischargers were loaded with 500ml beer cans which were exactly the same size as a Smoke grenade.