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MOTA_BOY #1 Posted 24 June 2019 - 10:35 PM

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Hello. Here I'll post things I notice by this excellent mode. :)

 

 

Obj. 140 pens me where there is no armor. Rasha wins ofcourse.

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Here is no AP pen by my 150mm gun on Rhm. Borsig. Just for LOLs.....
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And this will ofcourse be a damaging pen.... (???)

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Nethraniel #2 Posted 24 June 2019 - 10:45 PM

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So, what exactly is your point though? The 140 hit your hitbox, so what? You, on the other hand hit well sloped thick armor and did not penetrate. Everything working as intended.

 

Oh, and that hit on the Borsig was absorbed by the gun barrel. Learn the mechanics.


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Propjesschieter #3 Posted 24 June 2019 - 10:46 PM

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Battlehits is not fully correct since it uses only information from your client, not where the servers registers the hits.

Dorander #4 Posted 24 June 2019 - 10:56 PM

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I just checked the Skorp model on tanks.gg, the empty space where the gun is is part of the hitbox with 0 mm armour. So you take damage there if anything hits.

 

Keep in mind this game has abstractions for the sake of gameplay. It's nothing to do with Russian bias, ANYONE hitting you there, hurts you. It's not even nonsensical, the game treats shells like vectors, not solid objects, but any solid object of an actual shell caliber would most probably result in damage if it arrived at any angle from that hole. The only conceivable situation it wouldn't is in a near-horizontal shot with a shell caliber smaller than the opening. The game doesn't simulate these kinds of scenarios for simplicity of gameplay.

 

Similarly on the Object 430, I guess you are thinking something ought to have happened 'cause you hit that thinghy on the turret, but looking at the 3D model, there's nothing there. It's just a graphical decoration, not a hitbox weakspot. These kinds of weakspots have been removed from the game over the years, barring some poorly updated exceptions you're no longer going to be able to penetrate many tanks through machine gun ports, viewports and similar locations. Most things are pretty much divided into large segments now. Cupolas are turret weakspots, sometimes gun mantlet, not tiny RNG-hittable holes.



Homer_J #5 Posted 24 June 2019 - 11:01 PM

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View PostPropjesschieter, on 24 June 2019 - 10:46 PM, said:

Battlehits is not fully correct since it uses only information from your client, not where the servers registers the hits.

 

But in this case there is nothing wrong with the results of the hits.

 

Skorpion gets hit in it's hitbox.  It's not an area of no armour, it is an area of armour with a 0mm thickness.

 

OBJ430 gets hit on a bit of decoration which does not exist on the hitbox model.  As for Russian bias, all German tanks also had their MG ports removed from the hitboxes.

 

Borsig gets hit in spaced armour far enough away from the hitbox to do nothing.

 

 



CmdRatScabies #6 Posted 24 June 2019 - 11:12 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 24 June 2019 - 11:01 PM, said:

Borsig gets hit in spaced armour far enough away from the hitbox to do nothing.

If I'm reading it correctly the Borsig did take damage from that shot.  The mod usually seems accurate but as Propjesschieter said, it takes data from the client and may not always be what actually registered on the server.

Homer_J #7 Posted 24 June 2019 - 11:16 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 24 June 2019 - 11:12 PM, said:

If I'm reading it correctly the Borsig did take damage from that shot.

 

I think his post got garbled somehow, but he says...

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Here is no AP pen by my 150mm gun on Rhm. Borsig.


CmdRatScabies #8 Posted 24 June 2019 - 11:44 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 24 June 2019 - 11:16 PM, said:

 

I think his post got garbled somehow, but he says...

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Here is no AP pen by my 150mm gun on Rhm. Borsig.

 

The no pen ref was to the shot on the Obj 430?  The Borsig was penned by the Leo.

Kozzy #9 Posted 25 June 2019 - 08:24 AM

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View PostDorander, on 24 June 2019 - 09:56 PM, said:

Keep in mind this game has abstractions for the sake of gameplay. It's nothing to do with Russian bias, ANYONE hitting you there, hurts you. It's not even nonsensical, the game treats shells like vectors, not solid objects, but any solid object of an actual shell caliber would most probably result in damage if it arrived at any angle from that hole. The only conceivable situation it wouldn't is in a near-horizontal shot with a shell caliber smaller than the opening. The game doesn't simulate these kinds of scenarios for simplicity of gameplay.

 

 

Which is why turret rings are often a reasonable weak spot to aim for when face hugging (E100 sub 220mm for example).



Kartoshkaya #10 Posted 25 June 2019 - 08:37 AM

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Do you understand this mod doesn't reflect where you really got hit ? Just another tool to make people cry in the forum

Edited by Kartoshkaya, 25 June 2019 - 08:38 AM.


Balc0ra #11 Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:18 AM

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That hole on the Skorp has a hitbox and still takes hits. As it did not go to well to leave it... be. As the WT auf E100's model did show why big holes in the turret is a bad idea.

 

The 430 hit with your 15cm gun is still vs over 300mm effective armor vs your 215 pen. That gun sight viewport doesn't have a hitbox or lowers the armor. As almost no tank has weak spots on gun viewports etc. Russian or not.

 

The last one is explained due to delay. As that mod takes info from the client. Not the server that is a few split seconds ahead of what you see, inc the delayed visual shell you see. So if you turned your gun when you got hit. You might see it like that.



JollyRogerz #12 Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:56 AM

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Well explained in this thread, you got smacked in your Skorpion, a few games ago I bounced a Skorpion's turret with my ISU-152. Makes total sense but thats RNG for you. I just laugh it off and move on.

Miepie #13 Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:56 AM

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I read the title as "Bat'Leths". This topic could have used more Klingons… :izmena:

MOTA_BOY #14 Posted 25 June 2019 - 10:30 AM

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I couldn't separate posts so you can see all the individual "stories". Last 3 pics are Leo penning me trough the main gun.

But anyway this is not a hate topic, but as the title said "interesting stuff".....

Bordhaw #15 Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:38 PM

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View PostJollyRogerz, on 25 June 2019 - 08:56 AM, said:

Well explained in this thread, you got smacked in your Skorpion, a few games ago I bounced a Skorpion's turret with my ISU-152. Makes total sense but thats RNG for you. I just laugh it off and move on.

 

In Frontline last week I bounced Skorpion shot from behind yet in the next battle was one shot killed by a Skorpion in medium tanks.

 



dd_keky #16 Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:58 PM

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Verbal_kint_742 #17 Posted 25 June 2019 - 11:10 PM

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Check if he invest more money than you in the game.

If he did, he had all the right to bounce anything from anyone who spent less than him.

"It is, what it is" as told by a famous pro player.



Propjesschieter #18 Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:44 PM

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View PostVerbal_kint_742, on 25 June 2019 - 11:10 PM, said:

Check if he invest more money than you in the game.

If he did, he had all the right to bounce anything from anyone who spent less than him.

"It is, what it is" as told by a famous pro player.

 

Why you have only 51.x% winrate with all those premium tanks you bought? Seems the "It is, what it is"  mechanism is not working for you... 



Dorander #19 Posted 26 June 2019 - 10:49 PM

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View PostVerbal_kint_742, on 25 June 2019 - 10:10 PM, said:

Check if he invest more money than you in the game.

If he did, he had all the right to bounce anything from anyone who spent less than him.

"It is, what it is" as told by a famous pro player.

 

What is is, is so 6th century BC.




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