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ValkyrionX #1 Posted 25 June 2019 - 09:45 AM

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Here is the A43 BP prototype on the battlefield!

 

The Black Prince’s prototype is obviously an extension of Churchill’s line. It has decent armor and larger caliber for its tier: the armor is 150mm in front of the hull and turret. The gun was the British 17-pound, with high rate of fire (11 shots per minute) and penetration (171mm in standard shells). APCR shells have 239mm penetration!

https://www.mmowg.net/world-of-tanks-st-a43-bp-prototype-in-the-battlefield/?fbclid=IwAR2L-uz6q6m1cnR3uO2wVRCWCYXJemlAh0ijKaOqJoQa9M0tqCeLgukcKBo&cn-reloaded=1

 

 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #2 Posted 25 June 2019 - 10:23 AM

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It's a downgraded black prince at tier 6. Take a look at the stats, the tier 7 BP's stats are in green...

 

DPM: 1771 (1877)

HP: 900 (1450)

Accuracy: 0.36 (0.33)

Aim time: 2.4s (2.21s)

View range: 360m (370m)

Dispersion on turret traverse: 0.22 (0.192)

                    on tank traverse: 0.17 (0.15)

                             on moving: 0.17 (0.15)

Specific power: 12hp/ton (12hp/ton)

Speed: 20/12 km/h (20/12 km/h)

Traverse speed: 21°/s (21°/s)

Turret traverse: 29.2°/s (31.3°/s)

 

  • Hull armor is the same but the turret front is 152.4mm instead of 240mm on the BP.
  • Shell velocity is 884m/s for AP and 1105m/s for APCR.

Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 26 June 2019 - 12:41 PM.


VonniVidiVici #3 Posted 25 June 2019 - 10:27 AM

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It always strikes me that for a nation that liked its tanks to fight on the move, UK tanks in this game are absolutely terrible at fighting on the move. By which I mean they're barely able to move, let alone hit something whilst crawling along.

XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 25 June 2019 - 10:39 AM

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View PostVonniVidiVici, on 25 June 2019 - 01:27 PM, said:

It always strikes me that for a nation that liked its tanks to fight on the move, UK tanks in this game are absolutely terrible at fighting on the move. By which I mean they're barely able to move, let alone hit something whilst crawling along.

 

It's an infantry tank, it isn't going anywhere fast. Their role is to support dismounted infantry and the speed requirement matched the walking pace of troops on foot.

 

The faster cruiser tanks are what you're after. These were meant to be a mechanized cavalry.



TankkiPoju #5 Posted 25 June 2019 - 11:32 AM

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The black cover is there so it can hide it's shame.

r00barb #6 Posted 25 June 2019 - 11:38 AM

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Those stats place it slightly worse than a fully-upgraded Churchill VII so the selling point would have to be having the 17-pdr at tier VI ... which you can get on the Achilles and Sherman Firefly. Not sure I can type 'meh' with sufficient feeling to convey my thoughts on this one.

Miepie #7 Posted 25 June 2019 - 12:15 PM

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Soooo… a shortened TOG II with less health but more armour..? :great:

VonniVidiVici #8 Posted 25 June 2019 - 01:46 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 25 June 2019 - 10:39 AM, said:

 

It's an infantry tank, it isn't going anywhere fast. Their role is to support dismounted infantry and the speed requirement matched the walking pace of troops on foot.

 

The faster cruiser tanks are what you're after. These were meant to be a mechanized cavalry.

 

I get that, but I'd expect those infantry tanks to be able to fire their gun with a reasonable chance of hitting the target when moving at a walking pace. Unless you meant it's the Cruisers specifically that were meant to fight on the move, which is also not particularly effective in-game.

Captain_Kremen0 #9 Posted 25 June 2019 - 02:22 PM

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Just what tier 4 tanks need - another tier 6 that some tier 6 won't be able to even scratch.

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View PostVonniVidiVici, on 25 June 2019 - 04:46 PM, said:

I get that, but I'd expect those infantry tanks to be able to fire their gun with a reasonable chance of hitting the target when moving at a walking pace. Unless you meant it's the Cruisers specifically that were meant to fight on the move, which is also not particularly effective in-game.

 

Oh, you mean hitting on the move. Only rudimentary, single plane (vertical) stabilizers existed by the end of WWII. None of these tanks were equipped with a stabilizer. There was something called 'shoulder stop' for small caliber guns which is basically a shoulder rest for the gunner to manually elevate the gun when the tank is moving. This worked at low speeds too and disengaged above 9-10 km/h.

 

Hitting something with a 17 pdr gun requires a pause, aiming and firing the gun. Good, veteran crews can do that faster and more accurately. Lobbing a 122mm APHE in your general direction requires less effort and training and will probably hurt even if it wasn't a direct hit.


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 25 June 2019 - 02:51 PM.


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I'm wondering if this is what the regular BP should be since that one is absolute garbage at tier 7......

 

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Bordhaw #12 Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:30 PM

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View PostValkyrionX, on 25 June 2019 - 08:45 AM, said:

Here is the A43 BP prototype on the battlefield!

 

British heavy tanks....

 



FatigueGalaxy #13 Posted 25 June 2019 - 06:38 PM

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View PostCaptain_Kremen0, on 25 June 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

Just what tier 4 tanks need - another tier 6 that some tier 6 won't be able to even scratch.

 

It has marginally better armour than Churchill VII, so nothing special even for standard ammo.

 

 



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View PostVonniVidiVici, on 25 June 2019 - 10:27 AM, said:

It always strikes me that for a nation that liked its tanks to fight on the move, UK tanks in this game are absolutely terrible at fighting on the move. By which I mean they're barely able to move, let alone hit something whilst crawling along.

 

Because they are infantry support tanks,so they move slowly to keep up with the foot soldier. They were not designed to fight tanks but to support infantry.

 

British  killed  German tanks with artillery and planes... that's how they kicked the [edited]of Germans in northern Africa


Edited by pecopad, 25 June 2019 - 06:47 PM.


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That bloom. :trollface:

 

Another peashooter garbage. 



vasilinhorulezz #16 Posted 26 June 2019 - 08:55 AM

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So, they downgrade the King Tiger a tier (as a premium) to make it better, now they downgrade the BP a tier too, hmm...

Let's see what happens next.



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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 26 June 2019 - 08:55 AM, said:

So, they downgrade the King Tiger a tier (as a premium) to make it better, now they downgrade the BP a tier too, hmm...

Let's see what happens next.

 

The defender gets down tiered?! 

undutchable80 #18 Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:27 AM

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View Postdex_1950, on 26 June 2019 - 11:20 AM, said:

 

The defender gets down tiered?! 

 

It already has; from Tier 9 to Tier 8.

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View PostCaptain_Kremen0, on 25 June 2019 - 02:22 PM, said:

Just what tier 4 tanks need - another tier 6 that some tier 6 won't be able to even scratch.

 

Vs the tier 7 BP, this has the same turret armor as the Churchill VII. So I doubt most will have much more issues with this vs what's already there. If it had the same turret

 

View PostCobra6, on 25 June 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

I'm wondering if this is what the regular BP should be since that one is absolute garbage at tier 7......

 

Cobra 6

 

Much the same as with what people said about the Tiger and King Tiger. Now that both of those have premiums one tier down, they are working as they should on some aspects. Tiger lost the L71, King Tiger lost the L68. And this lost the turret armor to be on par with the current tier 6. As tbh, with that mantle vs tier 4. It would be a tad broken.

 

View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 25 June 2019 - 10:23 AM, said:

AP shell velocity is slower (884m/s) instead of (1105m/s) on the BP for no reason.

 

884 is the standard shell speed for the 17 pdr on even TD's. As 1105 is the shell speed for APCR on the 17.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 25 June 2019 - 10:39 AM, said:

 

It's an infantry tank, it isn't going anywhere fast. Their role is to support dismounted infantry and the speed requirement matched the walking pace of troops on foot.

 

The faster cruiser tanks are what you're after. These were meant to be a mechanized cavalry.

Matilda was an infantry tank as well and completely useless one.






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