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StinkyCamper #1 Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:40 PM

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It is absolutly amazing how every topic about XVM being toxic is closed in a few hours like a charm. Tipicaly communist policy "we better shut them up then fix this problem and resolve Corruption .

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Propjesschieter #2 Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:49 PM

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Probably because XVM is not gameplay related, go post in the mod section...

StinkyCamper #3 Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:51 PM

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View PostPropjesschieter, on 26 June 2019 - 08:49 PM, said:

Probably because XVM is not gameplay related, go post in the mod section...

 

I really wish to be so. Its good in game discussion because we need to discuss'it :)

 


Edited by StinkyCamper, 26 June 2019 - 09:52 PM.


kaneloon #4 Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:55 PM

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It is only useful as a tool to boost unicums stats, they know who they have to focus.

Others are just in a delusion about how to use it, a bit like gold ammo.



Propjesschieter #5 Posted 26 June 2019 - 09:59 PM

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View PostStinkyCamper, on 26 June 2019 - 09:51 PM, said:

 

I really wish to be so. Its good in game discussion because we need to discuss'it :)

 

 

No we don't, nobody forces you to play with it.

NekoPuffer_PPP #6 Posted 26 June 2019 - 10:11 PM

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I made one last year. Has 9 pages, 60/40% Yes/No poll for banning XVM. It's still open (though dead): http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/673648-petition-to-ban-xvm-stats-once-and-for-all/#topmost

 

Guess what, it's constructive.

 

The only reason these kinds of threads get closed is because the players who write them just came back from a bad session and are saltier than the Black Sea. Keep your composure, make compelling arguments...prosper.



onderschepper #7 Posted 26 June 2019 - 10:36 PM

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Surely it's time Wargaming closed the metaphorical flood gates and stopped disseminating information to these third parties.

 

If they can not access the information, they no longer have a reason to exist.

 

I'm not against analytics, quite the opposite actually, but I would prefer a reputable third party be used.



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View PostStinkyCamper, on 26 June 2019 - 09:40 PM, said:

It is absolutly amazing how every topic about XVM being toxic is closed in a few hours like a charm. Tipicaly communist policy "we better shut them up then fix this problem and resolve Corruption .

 

do you dream of the communists at night?

 

edit: open ur xvm thread in the mods section 


Edited by ValkyrionX, 26 June 2019 - 11:03 PM.


unhappy_bunny #9 Posted 26 June 2019 - 10:45 PM

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View PostStinkyCamper, on 26 June 2019 - 08:40 PM, said:

It is absolutly amazing how every topic about XVM being toxic is closed in a few hours like a charm. Tipicaly communist policy "we better shut them up then fix this problem and resolve Corruption .

 

View PostStinkyCamper, on 26 June 2019 - 08:51 PM, said:

 

I really wish to be so. Its good in game discussion because we need to discuss'it :)

 

 

Most threads get closed because they are either in the wrong section, not constructive, or become toxic in themselves. 

 

Why do you feel XVM need to be discussed? As if it hasn't been flogged to death enough times in the past. 


Edited by unhappy_bunny, 26 June 2019 - 10:46 PM.


Dorander #10 Posted 26 June 2019 - 10:46 PM

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View Postonderschepper, on 26 June 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

Surely it's time Wargaming closed the metaphorical flood gates and stopped disseminating information to these third parties.

 

If they can not access the information, they no longer have a reason to exist.

 

I'm not against analytics, quite the opposite actually, but I would prefer a reputable third party be used.

 

Reputable? Besides the question of what that has to do with anything in the first place, what'd even constitute "reputable"?

 

The method used to access the statistics is the problem of data display, not XVM. As long as stat sites can access the data, it can be displayed on screen. XVM is a mod that changes your UI layout, it stands for Extended Visual Mod. Its function is to DISPLAY the data, not merely to get it. If Wargaming made it impossible to see the data outside of the game clients, all stat sites would be dead.

 

You don't even need XVM to display statistics on screen, you can use or even make other mods to do it. There's  just no point though when XVM does it just fine and has plenty other viable configurations for people to use. It has little competition, because there's little point in competition existing.



Pansenmann #11 Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:02 PM

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@Dorander

 

give it up, people will never understand the difference between WN8 and XVM

 

I gave up on it some time ago,

but then I am not much influenced by fancy colors anyways.



onderschepper #12 Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:06 PM

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View PostDorander, on 26 June 2019 - 10:46 PM, said:

 

Reputable? Besides the question of what that has to do with anything in the first place, what'd even constitute "reputable"? 

 

ESL springs to mind - but if the players want that back then they must contact ESL and make their case via the ESL website (I checked).

A reputable provider gives consumers peace of mind that the information they are receiving is accurate and unmolested.

Basically, cut out the middleman.

 

The method used to access the statistics is the problem of data display, not XVM. As long as stat sites can access the data, it can be displayed on screen. XVM is a mod that changes your UI layout, it stands for Extended Visual Mod. Its function is to DISPLAY the data, not merely to get it. If Wargaming made it impossible to see the data outside of the game clients, all stat sites would be dead.

 

Exactly my point when I said "stopped disseminating information to these third parties", referencing all access points that do not possess an official seal of approval from Wargaming.

 

You don't even need XVM to display statistics on screen, you can use or even make other mods to do it. There's  just no point though when XVM does it just fine and has plenty other viable configurations for people to use. It has little competition, because there's little point in competition existing.

I would prefer the developer and publisher of the game to provide these services, ideally in partnership with a recognised organisation. :)

 

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View PostPansenmann, on 26 June 2019 - 11:02 PM, said:

give it up, people will never understand the difference between WN8 and XVM

 

I gave up on it some time ago,

but then I am not much influenced by fancy colors anyways.

 

It can not be helped when I have been using the PC version for less than one month, in contrast with five years on PS4 where all of the Stats were provided by Wargaming via the in game menus and the "World of Tanks Assistant" App for mobile, enabling easy tracking of Clan progress and the individual progress of Clan members.

Dorander #13 Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:18 PM

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View Postonderschepper, on 26 June 2019 - 10:06 PM, said:

 

Forum quote fail, probably 'cause of that blue text stuff somehow.

 

Thing is that that organisation you refer to, is a third party and no more reputable than the people who created XVM. They're just as much a middleman. It could additionally be argued that XVM, being a legal mod featured in frequent forms on the official mod portal, is entirely Wargaming approval-stamped.

 

This is the first time though that I've ever heard somebody consider "Not trusting that it isn't accurate and unmolested" a problem with XVM. If that's your issue I can see where reputable comes in, but then I still don't see what, regarding this specific issue, makes XVM problematic. I can see why people'd argue that one shouldn't have this information displayed at all but I've never heard any experiences about that information being inaccurate.



onderschepper #14 Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:36 PM

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View PostDorander, on 26 June 2019 - 11:18 PM, said:

 

Thing is that that organisation you refer to, is a third party and no more reputable than the people who created XVM. They're just as much a middleman. It could additionally be argued that XVM, being a legal mod featured in frequent forms on the official mod portal, is entirely Wargaming approval-stamped.

 

This is the first time though that I've ever heard somebody consider "Not trusting that it isn't accurate and unmolested" a problem with XVM. If that's your issue I can see where reputable comes in, but then I still don't see what, regarding this specific issue, makes XVM problematic. I can see why people'd argue that one shouldn't have this information displayed at all but I've never heard any experiences about that information being inaccurate.

 

ESL is owned by Modern Times Group which was founded in 1987 and is listed on the Stock Exchange, thus they are more established which should mean they are more reputable.........should.

Whilst being a third party, ESL specialise in the management of gaming leagues and handling the metrics therein.

 

My issue is not with XVM directly, as expressed in my OP, but rather the nature of an international MMO utilising and sharing information with mods that are made by unknowns - back in the days of C&C this was common place, but it seems a little weird to me in WoT - if it works and people like it then I dip my hat to you. :honoring:



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #15 Posted 26 June 2019 - 11:41 PM

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Every time I see a map pinger....

 

I see an illegal non vanilla mod user

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Do not talk to me

 

I do not want to know you exist

 

You do not exist

 

You are nothing


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TheComfyChair #16 Posted 27 June 2019 - 12:44 AM

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XVM  - There are three types of people in the world, those that can count and those that can't, :sceptic:

Pansenmann #17 Posted 27 June 2019 - 12:46 AM

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View PostTheComfyChair, on 27 June 2019 - 12:44 AM, said:

XVM  - There are three types of people in the world, those that can count and those that can't, :sceptic:

 



StinkyCamper #18 Posted 27 June 2019 - 05:45 AM

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View PostTheComfyChair, on 26 June 2019 - 11:44 PM, said:

XVM  - There are three types of people in the world, those that can count and those that can't, :sceptic:

 

Actually there are 2 types of people, those who put people in types and those who do not.

VonniVidiVici #19 Posted 27 June 2019 - 06:00 AM

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View PostStinkyCamper, on 27 June 2019 - 05:45 AM, said:

 

Actually there are 2 types of people, those who put people in types and those who do not.

 

Actually there's 10 kinds of people; those who can read binary and those who cannot.

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View PostStinkyCamper, on 27 June 2019 - 04:45 AM, said:

 

Actually there are 2 types of people, those who put people in types and those who do not.

 

That's just human nature & is something we all do especially to ourselves. 

 

Personally I belong to many groups either intentionally or not.  I'm white, male, from the UK, in my 40s, educated, a tax payer, registerred to vote, a gamer, in a long term relationship, a terrible dancer, have a weird taste in music...

 

I also avoid being in other groups & sometimes look down on others in those groups.  I'm not racist, I'm not unemployed, I'm not English, I'm not good at dancing, I'm not a unicum or a tomato...

 

I'm guessing you have friends & people that you aren't friends with?  There's probably reasons for that.






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