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Kayi4ek #1 Posted 28 June 2019 - 11:37 AM

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It’s a matter of days that British high-tier light tanks will crash into World of Tanks, with stealth and surprise being their element.

As you know, all high-tier light tanks are born scouts. But the role can be played differently. As for the British, they do it by leveraging their small dimensions, a good view range and outstanding guns. So, the very combination gives you a clear clue how to use these vehicles to the best result: nothing is better than to recon the enemy’s position while firing them from the least expected places.

Let’s take a closer look at the newcomers!

New Vehicles…

All in all, four vehicles will be added to the British Tech Tree, all researchable from the Cromwell, a Tier VI medium tank. So, the complete branch goes as follows:

  • GSR 3301 Setter (Tier VII)
  • LHMTV (Tier VIII)
  • GSOR3301 AVR FS (Tier IX)
  • Manticore (Tier X)

It’s too early to reveal the specs of Tier VII to IX vehicles as their fine-tuning is in its full swing. We have come up with a concept for the entire of batch of British tanks and now want to test it on the top vehicle. What is known for sure is that all tanks will sport small dimensions (e.g. the LHMTV is smaller than the Bat-Chat 12t, while the profile AVR FS can be compared to that of the AMX 13 90), as well as imposing concealment abilities and a decent view range.

…And Its Jewel in the Crown…

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The branch is topped by the Manticore, a X Tier light tank. The name fits it perfectly as it is nothing short of a controversy of a vehicle. Despite being quite small (the Manticore is smaller than the T-100LT), it manages to bear a huge 105mm gun with excellent characteristics. Imposing armor penetration (248 mm with the standard AP round and 268 mm with the special APCR round), the alpha strike of 390 points, decent stabilization (when firing from a stationary position)—the vehicle’s got everything to be sought after. But let’s face it: it’s not perfect. Its DPM is far from impressive (4.29 shots per minute). Its stabilization when firing on the move is low. Its ammunition is so precious that you’ll have to think over each shot you are about to make.

The Manticore is predator that can wait, while opting for the best place to perform the best. Once the battle begins, it takes a beneficial position to scout and inform its team on the enemy positioning. It doesn’t have to run about the map—other light tanks will do it for the Manticore. Instead, it moves from one position to another, while gradually gaining its tactical advantage. Yes, the tank can play as a scout (and this is where its small dimensions will come in handy). But it’s passive scouting while providing fire support from a distance where its talents shine the brightest.

Each moment, you have to assess the situation and make decisions: is it safe to move further? Is it worth taking a shot to finish off the enemy? Or will your shot just give you away? Because, on the one hand, it’s a shame to keep such a gun idle. But on the other hand, one shouldn’t neglect the tank’s key role (that of a scout).

This is where the zest of playing the Manticore lies. You have to grasp its controversial nature and, having found the perfect balance between the passive scouting and active firing, tame this steel beast. Yes, it’s a challenge, but be sure, you will be rewarded with the thrilling feeling of unique power, that other light tanks can’t get their hands on!

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You can also check size comparison in the Spoiler below:

 
 

Are Almost There!

At the moment, the vehicles are in the closed test phase. As was said, we have chosen the branch’s top tank, the Manticore, to verify whether our gaming concept will work out. Once we’ve found the perfect balance between the fire power, concealment abilities and mobility within the given playing role, we’ll proceed to fine-tuning the rest of the vehicles of VII to IX tiers.

NB: The above characteristics are not final and can be changed during the testing.


Edited by Kayi4ek, 28 June 2019 - 12:40 PM.


Dava_117 #2 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:00 PM

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It doesn't look anything special.

Avarage speed, good pen (but just in LT terms), 390 alpha light tanks are already in game with even better DPM, VR is avarage and it starts from a MT, so you have LT crew up to Covenanter, 2 MTs and then LTs again...

Not hyped or interested to be fair...



FluffyRedFox #3 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:08 PM

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Why are the size comparisons done with the visual models and not the collision models?

Awesome_Face #4 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:15 PM

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Is the crew layout already set?

I'll immediately grind a crew and some Cromwell XP.



ZeroCommaZero #5 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:18 PM

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Pictures are from 2017 (copyright)...

Geno1isme #6 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:19 PM

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Unless this gets some extreme camo values it will rival the Rhm and Wz for the title of worst T 10 light.

- abysmal DPM (15% less than EBR with normal shells, 50% less than Sheridan)

- worst in class aimtime

- very limited gun elevation

 

And I don't see any real strong points. 390 alpha is standard, AP pen is a bit above average but then the APCR is sustandard and it doesn't have high penetration HE. Other aspects like gun-handling, viewrange and mobility seem to be average at best.

 

So unless this thing will be the ELC EVEN of T10 wrt camo I don't see a reason for this tank to exist balancing-wise. And then part of what makes the EVEN decent is the clip potential which will be missing from this one.

 

Currently at T10 you have the EBR with like 44% camo rating (fully equipped, good crew) and the T100 with about 42%, this thing would need like 48-50% to justify the drawbacks.



tajj7 #7 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:28 PM

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View PostGeno1isme, on 28 June 2019 - 01:19 PM, said:

Unless this gets some extreme camo values it will rival the Rhm and Wz for the title of worst T 10 light.

- abysmal DPM (15% less than EBR with normal shells, 50% less than Sheridan)

- worst in class aimtime

- very limited gun elevation

 

And I don't see any real strong points. 390 alpha is standard, AP pen is a bit above average but then the APCR is sustandard and it doesn't have high penetration HE. Other aspects like gun-handling, viewrange and mobility seem to be average at best.

 

So unless this thing will be the ELC EVEN of T10 wrt camo I don't see a reason for this tank to exist balancing-wise. And then part of what makes the EVEN decent is the clip potential which will be missing from this one.

 

Currently at T10 you have the EBR with like 44% camo rating (fully equipped, good crew) and the T100 with about 42%, this thing would need like 48-50% to justify the drawbacks.

 

This,

 

It's just bad to downright awful in most categories, terrible DPM to apparently balance very standard tier 10 alpha of 390, terrible gun handling on a paper tank, poor accuracy for a paper tank, and mildly above average penetration for a light, but still bad penetration for a tier 10 tank. 

 

So far the super test is seeing two terrible tanks in the Senlac and this, tanks that compared to their peers (which are weak anyway) are just worse in every way pretty much. 



8126Jakobsson #8 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:30 PM

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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 28 June 2019 - 02:08 PM, said:

Why are the size comparisons done with the visual models and not the collision models?

 

Ye that Manticore vs T-100 height comparison. :teethhappy:

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 28 June 2019 - 01:30 PM, said:

 

Ye that Manticore vs T-100 height comparison. :teethhappy:

 

Yep it's like they put a hat on the T-100 and went, look see he's taller, no Russian bias here comrade! 

FluffyRedFox #10 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:37 PM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 28 June 2019 - 01:30 PM, said:

 

Ye that Manticore vs T-100 height comparison. :teethhappy:

 

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ValkyrionX #11 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:47 PM

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View PostFluffyRedFox, on 28 June 2019 - 02:37 PM, said:

 

Spoiler

 

good one

tajj7 #12 Posted 28 June 2019 - 02:49 PM

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This is the current performance of tier 10 light vehicles -

 

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And that thing you are super testing is overall much worse than most of the existing tier 10 lights, so what you are creating on those current stats is basically the worst tank in the game.

 

If that thing gets out of super testing without MAJOR buffs, every single one of your super testers is either incompetent or is biased against light tanks. 

 

That thing is so bad you'd think it was a joke to be honest. 1.6k DPM on a tier 10 vehicle is just unacceptable IMO, its bad for a tier 6 or 7 light, let alone a tier 10 one. 


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KanonenVogel19 #13 Posted 28 June 2019 - 04:04 PM

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I have to say that the tier 10 is quite ugly. Couldn't you find any historical British light tank that looked a bit better? :P

 

Also, as some pointed out, that size comparison is quite silly when you include the turret hatch, since it's not even part of the collision model. If we exclude it, we see that the Manticore is about the same height as the T-100LT, which will propably make it also have the same camo value. If it does, this light tank doesn't really seem to be anything special.

 

I think that what you've failed with here is that you've basically implemented all LTs as lightly armored MTs. LTs should have their own dedicated battlefield role as a recon vehicle, and their strength should be exceptional camo and view range, not a good gun. Their strength should be in spotting and staying hidden, not shooting other tanks with their gun. For that, they could have delayed abilities, like artillery barrages and air strikes.


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Dr_Oolen #14 Posted 28 June 2019 - 04:56 PM

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Paul_Kouadio #15 Posted 28 June 2019 - 05:38 PM

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This is not cool... not at all. A bit of research was conducted on Brit LTs, on this thread. Please make the Brit tier X (and the whole line as well) more unique in their role. I'm pretty disappointed in the way this tree is shaping up (like, can't you call these things "Scorpion" or "CVR(T)"?).

MrEdweird #16 Posted 28 June 2019 - 06:34 PM

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I agree that while there are all interesting, if not ugly, somewhat historical designs, there were plenty better choices like the Vickers 24t or the Scorpion 90.

Been waiting for this tree for years and I am disappointed with your choices.

 

The only one I have any real interest in is the tier 9.


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Daskard #17 Posted 28 June 2019 - 11:25 PM

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I wonder where you get the maps from to support this line's forced playstyle and more importantly where you get the teams from to deal the damage for you.

Captain_Tickle #18 Posted 28 June 2019 - 11:37 PM

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The passive spotter, slow firing, inaccurate when moving gun is sure to be a perfect counter to those pesky wheeled vehicles.  I'm just disappointed again with WG, and no longer surprised when I am.

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Where are the well known lights like the FV301 and tier 5-6?

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please tell us the crew layout

 

i imagine its commander driver and gunner, but who knows






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