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Nitro_Tank #1 Posted 29 June 2019 - 01:57 PM

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After many games i finally bought the AMX 30. Tier 7 gun with 170 pen vs tier 8 9 10. I literally can't penetrate ANYBODY, but i still have to somehow get around 60k experience for an OKAY tier 8 gun and another 55k more for an actual good gun. 

Thats pretty terrible, are there any worse stock tanks than this?



NekoPuffer_PPP #2 Posted 29 June 2019 - 02:10 PM

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French tanks are generally the worst at being stock. Examples which come to mind are: ARL V39, AMX 65t, AMD 178B

 

The brits also have a couple stinkers: the AT 8, Churchill VII

 

But, what makes a stock tank bad or...manageable, is often a case of using what you have appropriately and picking your fights with tanks you can deal with. Then there's also dealing with salty teammates who expect you to carry them just because you're a tier 9 tank in top tier matchmaking but you're stock so you can't. Just say "sorry I'm stock" in every battle you enter, sadly this has no effect if the salty player has chat disabled...

 

Basics:

Low pen? Shoot lightly armored vehicles.

Low mobility? Focus on defending rather than advancing.



Tonza_the_baboon #3 Posted 29 June 2019 - 02:24 PM

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WZ-120 might be the worst grind!
45 000 + 23 500 + 59 000 + 22 400 just to get it fully unlocked :amazed: (59 000 + 46 000xp if you didnt play heavys and unlocked one gun and top engine from there)

I only need 149 900xp to get my WZ-120 fully upgrated...
And if you didnt play heavys on that nation you need impressive 254 900xp :facepalm: :D

WG really likes to see players using free xp on it...

Pi_314159265358979 #4 Posted 29 June 2019 - 02:54 PM

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- Centurion I (if you haven't unlocked the 17-pounder gun with the BP or the Firefly).

- AT 7 (if you come fron the Churchill Gun Carrier).



Nitro_Tank #5 Posted 29 June 2019 - 03:12 PM

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At the moment im basically a very bad spotter and if i can't get anything done in that department im kinda worthless on this stock tank....

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Wz-120 if u skip heavy line

Balc0ra #7 Posted 29 June 2019 - 03:42 PM

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AMX 30 is only terrible if you never played the HT lane that gives you more guns pre unlocked. As there are many tanks like that. They would be terrible stock grinds, but you have the engine and gun from a different line. So it's workable. T-54 is def one of those to. As I did not unlock mine via the T-44. But via the 416 iirc when the tech layout was different. Thus I had none of the guns. So 175 pen vs tier X was fun. Churchill Gun Carrier with 112 pen if you don't have the 32 from the AT-15, or the WZ-120 that has all the top modules shared with the engine from the tier 9 and the gun from the X heavies. 

 

But at the top of my head with no sharable modules I remember the T54E1 with the T69 gun being a pain. Just as the T69 with the T71 gun was stock. Skoda T50 with the stock engine and no clip gun was terrible as you could not outrun anything. Charioteer with the 20 prd with DPM was no fun. Even if I could pen stuff. Polish tier 8 HT was a pain until that top gun appeared. 

 

But at the top for me is the St. Emil. Why? Because it's one of few tanks that don't share the top gun from the tank one tier down. So his stock gun is unique and has way less pen vs the tank you came from. So suddenly you go from 203 pen and good DPM on tier 6, to 169 pen and no DPM on tier 7 until you get the top gun. It's not a TD I fear if I see that short barrel. 

 

View PostPi_314159265358979, on 29 June 2019 - 02:54 PM, said:

- AT 7 (if you come fron the Churchill Gun Carrier).

 

At least he has a hysterical clip gun that only works as top tier. The amount of times I've trolled people with that burst damage is fun. But 100% useless in a +1 or 2 game. 


Edited by Balc0ra, 29 June 2019 - 03:44 PM.


Nitro_Tank #8 Posted 29 June 2019 - 03:56 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 29 June 2019 - 02:42 PM, said:

AMX 30 is only terrible if you never played the HT lane that gives you more guns pre unlocked. As there are many tanks like that. They would be terrible stock grinds, but you have the engine and gun from a different line. So it's workable. T-54 is def one of those to. As I did not unlock mine via the T-44. But via the 416 iirc when the tech layout was different. Thus I had none of the guns. So 175 pen vs tier X was fun. Churchill Gun Carrier with 112 pen if you don't have the 32 from the AT-15, or the WZ-120 that has all the top modules shared with the engine from the tier 9 and the gun from the X heavies. 

 

But at the top of my head with no sharable modules I remember the T54E1 with the T69 gun being a pain. Just as the T69 with the T71 gun was stock. Skoda T50 with the stock engine and no clip gun was terrible as you could not outrun anything. Charioteer with the 20 prd with DPM was no fun. Even if I could pen stuff. Polish tier 8 HT was a pain until that top gun appeared. 

 

But at the top for me is the St. Emil. Why? Because it's one of few tanks that don't share the top gun from the tank one tier down. So his stock gun is unique and has way less pen vs the tank you came from. So suddenly you go from 203 pen and good DPM on tier 6, to 169 pen and no DPM on tier 7 until you get the top gun. It's not a TD I fear if I see that short barrel. 

 

 

At least he has a hysterical clip gun that only works as top tier. The amount of times I've trolled people with that burst damage is fun. But 100% useless in a +1 or 2 game. 

 

Yup nothing unlocked from heavy line. My current record on the amx 30 is like 4W-19L, im just a burden on my team. Yeah im not a good player and some bad luck is involved too, but this is just beyond frustrating as i can't make any progress towards a decent gun

BlackBloodBandit #9 Posted 29 June 2019 - 04:30 PM

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I always check if other lines that I might want to play get me the gun I want or another module. For example, I unlocked the best radio for S-51 today, which I can use on my recently bought IS as well.

 

Some tier 8 tanks you could play stock maybe in Frontlines to get enough xp for a better gun.



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Another vote for the St. Emil here, but then again even if stuff gets better when it's not stock it's still pretty meh.

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 29 June 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:

I always check if other lines that I might want to play get me the gun I want or another module. For example, I unlocked the best radio for S-51 today, which I can use on my recently bought IS as well.

 

Some tier 8 tanks you could play stock maybe in Frontlines to get enough xp for a better gun.

 

It's why I did the UK HT along side the meds when the UK tree came. As the top guns on the HT's is the top gun for the meds one tier up. So when I got to the med on the same tier. I already had the best gun.

ExclamationMark #12 Posted 29 June 2019 - 05:15 PM

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Probably the worst tank that you can play fully stock is the VK 45.02B. Beyond terrible mobility, terrible gun for tank of its playstyle, and a terrible stock turret. You can't pen your enemies, they can easily pen you. And you're a slug.

Suurpolskija #13 Posted 29 June 2019 - 07:56 PM

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Haven't owned it, but ST-1 I hear is pretty horrible if you haven't gone through IS-3 yet. 175mm pen for a tier9 heavy tank is pretty grim. 

Caernarvon with the Black Princes peashooter was pretty sad experience too. 

AMX AC 48 with the gun that was already pretty bad at tier7... 

 



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View PostNitro_Tank, on 29 June 2019 - 12:57 PM, said:

After many games i finally bought the AMX 30. Tier 7 gun with 170 pen vs tier 8 9 10. I literally can't penetrate ANYBODY, but i still have to somehow get around 60k experience for an OKAY tier 8 gun and another 55k more for an actual good gun. 

Thats pretty terrible, are there any worse stock tanks than this?

 

Once you get the next gun, the 100mm, you'll be fine to continue the grind there after. I found the AMX 30 pretty ok as stock. It was fast as stock least, which is better than a lot of similar tanks which rely on their speed as a strong part of their game where their survival and gameplay leans so much on having mobility and speed. That 100mm though lol... it's a pity that the top gun has better stats including alpha otherwise I would LOVE to play this tank with the 100mm. It's fricken ginormous, like a street lamp and of course that awesome bone shaking crackle off that thing when it fires :)

 



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View PostNitro_Tank, on 29 June 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

After many games i finally bought the AMX 30. Tier 7 gun with 170 pen vs tier 8 9 10. I literally can't penetrate ANYBODY, but i still have to somehow get around 60k experience for an OKAY tier 8 gun and another 55k more for an actual good gun. 

Thats pretty terrible, are there any worse stock tanks than this?

The game now revolves around making u spend gold on free xp, to research past terrible tanks



Flubber42 #17 Posted 30 June 2019 - 09:57 AM

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M46 was BAAAAAD for me!



Sowa_95 #18 Posted 30 June 2019 - 11:25 AM

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Every tier 9 stock is the worst thing you can play. Some tier 6-7 shitters doesnt count, because 2-3 battles with that x3 bonus, some small amount of free exp, and you have a playable tank.

 

I stopped grinding Centurion Action X, when I realised Centurion 7/1 needs 124k exp to have a normal gun.



arthurwellsley #19 Posted 30 June 2019 - 11:37 AM

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St Emil. As said above the grind is horrible, and even elite it's not very good.

thetopcat #20 Posted 02 July 2019 - 05:24 PM

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Wz-120
Has 3 guns before you get to the tier 10 gun with very mediocre pen for fighting tier 9 and 10 
and you need to spend 208900 xp to get to that top gun 
 




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