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Rittmeister39 #1 Posted 29 June 2019 - 04:09 PM

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hi guys!

so we got ingame ratings now in WTR, which is nice - if only I knew wtf these numbers even mean or if they are a good representation of skill.

 

WN8 is quite simple because I am used to the numbers:

2500+ Unicums

2000-2500 damn good players

1300-2000 pretty good players

1300 you become green and "above average" player,

1000-1300 OK player

800-1000 you are basically below average,

0-800 clueless people

 

Is WTR even a good measure, or is it just made to make feel people good, hiding their terrible gameplay (like I suspect WG stats are designed to not demotivate people too much). I don't know. Can somebody post like I did for Wn8 what the WTR number actually means in terms of good-ok-bad players?

 

Which rating is "better"? Should I switch my xvm to WTR display? questions....

thanks


Edited by Rittmeister39, 29 June 2019 - 04:19 PM.


SuedKAT #2 Posted 29 June 2019 - 04:28 PM

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WN8 formula:

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/547149-wn8-formula-detailed-breakdown-stat-nerds-should-drop-by/

 

WTR formulas:

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/content/hof_guide/achievement_rating/

https://worldoftanks.eu/en/content/hof_guide/vehicle_rating/

 

Considering there are things in WTR that ain't in WN8 there ain't easy to just make a comparison, there are also things in the WTR calculation that I personally don't think should be present since they are quite irrelevant when it comes to "skill", similar to how WG's old rating could be padded by just simply playing more matches.



In_memory_of_Bud_Spencer #3 Posted 29 June 2019 - 05:03 PM

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View PostRittmeister39, on 29 June 2019 - 04:09 PM, said:

WN8 is quite simple because I am used to the numbers:

2500+ Unicums

2000-2500 damn good players

1300-2000 pretty good players

1300 you become green and "above average" player,

1000-1300 OK player

800-1000 you are basically below average,

0-800 clueless people

 

 

 

The actual rating is (calculated daily):

 

3215+ Purple (Unicum)

2386 - 3214 Blue

1586-2385 Green

993-1585 Yellow

464-992 Orange

0-463 Red

 

https://modxvm.com/en/ratings/xvm-scale/colors/

 

These values are based on:

 

10% of all players are green or better (blue, purple)

1% of all players are blue or better (purple)

0,1% of all players are purple


Edited by In_memory_of_Bud_Spencer, 29 June 2019 - 05:06 PM.


Long_Range_Sniper #4 Posted 29 June 2019 - 06:17 PM

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You need to use the forum Wn8 scale for here though.

 

Image result for wn8 scale



Dragos_CS #5 Posted 30 June 2019 - 10:11 AM

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None of them mean much.

WN8 is easily padded with tank selection.

WTR has an ambiguous bonus coefficient element and a "tank role" element which is clumsily set by WG for every tank. As ranked has shown, they are pretty way off the mark with that element for many tanks.

Your best bet is to look at damage/winrate and set targets for those. If youre trying to asses other peoples stats use average tier as well (assuming for XVM usage, not clan recruiting/out of game stuff).

Not to mention the "overall" WG rating is pretty much a "feel good" rating. Its not linear to contribution and it takes battle count of all things into account.



Lagalaza #6 Posted 30 June 2019 - 11:25 AM

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WN8 and the WoT ratings seem to give an indication of how good a player is once their battle count is 15k plus. Before then, they are fighting in too high a quota of tanks at lower tiers so their WN8 and WoT ratings are skewed by that. Just look at the average ratings for lower tier tanks compared to higher tier tanks. I look at how well I am progressing by comparing myself to the average damage and average WN8 of each tank I fight in. The target is to get all tanks above the average for that tank. If a player fights all the time in a Progetto and matches the average stats in it he will have a better WN8 and WoT rating than a player who fights all the time in a KV-1 and does the same. Therefore, the only way to measure your own progress and to see if you are playing well in detail is to measure yourself against the average for the tank you use. WN8 and WoT ratings are a guide, but not the definitive.

 

My WN8 is at 722 after just over 6000 battles. My WoT rating is 3740 ish. That means I am poor. But I'm not that bad, i'm more average than poor. It's skewed by low battle count and low tier. Last time I checked, my T-150 Russian Tier VI was averaging 638 damage and had a WN8 of 1034. The average for that tank is 537 damage and 862 WN8. I can therfore safely say I am decent and an above average player in that tank. My Pz IVH was at 351 damage and 840 WN8. The averages for that tank are 296 damage and 685 WN8. Again, I am a decent player in that tank. Then look at the T-29 US Tier VII that I love and feel I am good in..... not so good as I like to think. I have 833 damage and 913 WN8. The player base has 951 average damage and 1196 average WN8. Not so good by me. However, I monitor my progress and know that my average damage in that tank is up over 70 points in the past 45 battles and my WN8 has risen by 42 points in the same period. I am getting better and that is my sole aim.

 

Don't look at others and think "I'm rubbish". Look at your own stats and try to improve. That, for me, is the absolute joy of this game. The endeavour and learning and the improvements that come with it.


Edited by Lagalaza, 30 June 2019 - 11:27 AM.


WhoCares01 #7 Posted 01 July 2019 - 12:24 PM

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All those ratings are rather meaningless in such general terms.

Where I like the WG ratings is in the context of monthly rankings for individual tanks - why would I compare myself with someone who earned his laurels 2 years ago on different tanks?!?!

No, this specific tank in the current meta, that's the most meaningful comparison. Like me being #28 of ~860 in June on KV3 (WTR 4432), or 361 of ~900 on  Mäuschen (WTR 2176).

In addition to the monthly rating that is of limited value for the first half of every month, it would be nice to have 30/60/90 days statistics as well.

 

WN8 is rather obscure to me in that context - how does it separate current results from the past (if at all), how many players are tracked and reflected in it, with how many battles, ...


Edited by WhoCares01, 01 July 2019 - 12:29 PM.


mpf1959 #8 Posted 01 July 2019 - 12:26 PM

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WTR -vs WN8 (wtf do they even mean?)

 

They mean nothing, well, of any importance. :girl:



Bora_BOOM #9 Posted 01 July 2019 - 12:59 PM

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WN8 looks like ice cream coloring additives collection.

WTR is much more realistic representation:



Jauhesammutin #10 Posted 01 July 2019 - 01:28 PM

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View PostIn_memory_of_Bud_Spencer, on 29 June 2019 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

The actual rating is (calculated daily):

 

3215+ Purple (Unicum)

2386 - 3214 Blue

1586-2385 Green

993-1585 Yellow

464-992 Orange

0-463 Red

 

https://modxvm.com/en/ratings/xvm-scale/colors/

 

These values are based on:

 

10% of all players are green or better (blue, purple)

1% of all players are blue or better (purple)

0,1% of all players are purple

 

According to the WoT-news there are 22 million players on EU. That would mean 22k players would be unicums.

According to Wotlabs 2300 WN8 places you on the top 22k players.



unhappy_bunny #11 Posted 01 July 2019 - 04:51 PM

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View Postmpf1959, on 01 July 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

WTR -vs WN8 (wtf do they even mean?)

 

They mean nothing, well, of any importance. :girl:

 

They mean different things to different people. 

Some people care about their own stats.

Some people care about others stats.

Some dont care about any stats.

 

Reminds me of a song.

 

https://youtu.be/RCykn0_Fh6A

 

 



Leepants #12 Posted 01 July 2019 - 08:42 PM

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View PostLagalaza, on 30 June 2019 - 10:25 AM, said:

 

My WN8 is at 722 after just over 6000 battles. My WoT rating is 3740 ish. That means I am poor. But I'm not that bad, i'm more average than poor. It's skewed by low battle count and low tier. Last time I checked, my T-150 Russian Tier VI was averaging 638 damage and had a WN8 of 1034. The average for that tank is 537 damage and 862 WN8. I can therfore safely say I am decent and an above average player in that tank. My Pz IVH was at 351 damage and 840 WN8. The averages for that tank are 296 damage and 685 WN8. Again, I am a decent player in that tank. Then look at the T-29 US Tier VII that I love and feel I am good in..... not so good as I like to think. I have 833 damage and 913 WN8. The player base has 951 average damage and 1196 average WN8. Not so good by me. However, I monitor my progress and know that my average damage in that tank is up over 70 points in the past 45 battles and my WN8 has risen by 42 points in the same period. I am getting better and that is my sole aim.

 

Don't look at others and think "I'm rubbish". Look at your own stats and try to improve. That, for me, is the absolute joy of this game. The endeavour and learning and the improvements that come with it.

 

 

Excuse my ignorance - where can one see the player base stats, please, so I can compare as you've done.

 

Thanks!



dex_1950 #13 Posted 01 July 2019 - 09:10 PM

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It's like that crapin the garage. You have survivability 983. Spotting 189. 

 

Means dog crap. WG is the king in making retarded metrics. We just need tree cuts, to complete [edited]sesion stats. 



UrQuan #14 Posted 01 July 2019 - 09:22 PM

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View Postdex_1950, on 01 July 2019 - 09:10 PM, said:

Means dog crap. WG is the king in making retarded metrics. We just need tree cuts, to complete [edited]sesion stats. 

 

They removed that metric :confused: It was the Lumberjack rating. I remember being pretty good at cutting trees (because when you drive a heavy, the fastest path between A & B is through the trees).

 

Edit: the original thread: Lumberjack Rating


Edited by UrQuan, 01 July 2019 - 09:23 PM.


dex_1950 #15 Posted 01 July 2019 - 11:06 PM

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View PostUrQuan, on 01 July 2019 - 09:22 PM, said:

 

They removed that metric :confused: It was the Lumberjack rating. I remember being pretty good at cutting trees (because when you drive a heavy, the fastest path between A & B is through the trees).

 

Edit: the original thread: Lumberjack Rating

 

I know that's why I mentioned that useless crap. WG is known for metrics like that. 

WhoCares01 #16 Posted 01 July 2019 - 11:43 PM

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View PostUrQuan, on 01 July 2019 - 09:22 PM, said:

 

They removed that metric :confused: It was the Lumberjack rating. I remember being pretty good at cutting trees (because when you drive a heavy, the fastest path between A & B is through the trees).

 

Edit: the original thread: Lumberjack Rating

That statistic seemed to be still tracked until recently - I started in 2017 with WoT, and I kept a keen I on the numbers of trees cut down. Initial in the WG stats page, but they eventually removed it from that one. But on wotinfo they still kept track of it - I was above 4 trees per battle average when I hit 60001 trees cut down - and at that point it finally stopped counting a few month ago :(

 

I think it still tracks it, but it cuts out at 60001. I looked some players up that posted here, LRS as a long-time player since 2011 also is at 60001, while Lagalaza as a new hand managed to cut down >11k trees in >6.5k battles since last November.


Edited by WhoCares01, 02 July 2019 - 08:05 AM.


SaintMaddenus #17 Posted 02 July 2019 - 03:04 PM

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Very appropriate song

 

"So here I am in front of you
Not really knowing what to do
My heart is feeling something new
Nervously I turn away from you
I see those looks you're sending me
Is this the way it's meant to be?
It's something we should talk about
Just give me time to work it out"






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