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Would it be a great idea to add a german wheeled and halftrack tank destoyers tech line to World of Tanks?

  1. Yes (31 votes [58.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.49%

  2. No (15 votes [28.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.30%

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Jonathan078NL #1 Posted 03 July 2019 - 12:05 PM

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Hello there everyone,

 

 

Maybe this idea was allready brought up. I was just having a bit of a wild idea (I guess), to add a german wheeled and halftrack TD tech line to World of Tanks. I can't let this idea go before posting it on the forum. So I started this poll to see if this is just me or more people thinking like this, TD's with a high mobility but not as mobile as the French wheeled lights. Higher camo value then normal TD's but lightly armored and some with a rather high profile.

 

I just like the idea of being TD's instead of the lightning fast scout vehicles like the French. I think this would fit really nice in the german techtree and it's doctrine. Plus it will give wheeled armored cars variation in roles.


 

What do you guys think of a german wheeled/halftrack TD line?:bush:


 

Here are some inspiriations/ideas (source: www.tank-encyclopedia.com).
 

Tier V:

Sd.Kfz.221 mit 2.8cm Panzerbüchse 41
Leichter Panzerspähwagen 221 converted as tank hunter with the Mauser 2.8cm sPzB 41.


 

Tier VI:

Sd.Kfz.250/10 (Neu)
Sd.Kfz.250/10 nA with its Pak 36.


 

Tier VII:

Sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma
Sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma, Berlin, March 1945.


 

Tier VIII:
Sd.Kfz.234 Stummel
Sd.Kfz.234/3 Stummel, Normandy, June 1944


 

Tier IX:
Sd.Kfz.234/4
Sd.Kfz.234/4 “Pak-wagen”, Western front, 1945.


 

Tier X:

Sd.Kfz.251/22
Sd.Kfz.251/22 7,5cm PaK 40 L/46 auf Mittlerer Schützenpanzerwagen Ausf.D.


 

picture source: www.tank-encyclopedia.com


 


 


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Frostilicus #2 Posted 03 July 2019 - 12:08 PM

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Why not? My initial reaction is that the German tree is pretty well populated and other trees could probably do with more attention before this

mpf1959 #3 Posted 03 July 2019 - 12:12 PM

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No! Because I am a miserable old bastard! :trollface:

Jonathan078NL #4 Posted 03 July 2019 - 12:18 PM

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View PostFrostilicus, on 03 July 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:

Why not? My initial reaction is that the German tree is pretty well populated and other trees could probably do with more attention before this

 

 

 

 

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I guess you're right with the population of the german tree. I think the reasons for that is because it's an older tree plus the germans have a rather big backlog of vehicles. I personally think they had pretty great armored cars aswell which could be a nice addition to WoT since the first release of wheeled lights not so long ago IMHO.


 

Which trees do you refer too that need some attention?

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View Postmpf1959, on 03 July 2019 - 12:12 PM, said:

No! Because I am a miserable old bastard! :trollface:

 

 

Ah come on, you know you would like it.. just shooting them alone.. :justwait:;)



onderschepper #5 Posted 03 July 2019 - 12:25 PM

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Absolutely, it would be great to see more variety within this vehicle type spread across most, if not all TTs. :playing:

 

I was originally hoping the new British LTs were going to be Wheelies, but maybe next time. :coin:



WhoCares01 #6 Posted 03 July 2019 - 12:31 PM

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Halftracks are more like trucks with tracks, don't think they would fit well into a line of fast and nimble scouts.

I am also not sure, whether all of those have turrets that can turn 360°.


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Jonathan078NL #7 Posted 03 July 2019 - 12:51 PM

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View PostWhoCares01, on 03 July 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

Halftracks are more like trucks with tracks, don't think they would fit well into a line of fast and nimble scouts.

I am also not sure, whether all of those have turrets that can turn 360°.

 

 

 

 

 


 

It can only be great if it's executed right. They have to 'fit' in the current state of WoT (I totally agree on that) and be balanced too at the same time. Not to forget being fun to play aswell.


 

Some have turrets (Puma, Sd.Kfz.221) and some not. Which should/could have a pretty wide gun arc since most guns lay on top of the vehicles instead of within a closed casemate so to speak.


 

This way there can also be some variety within the techline itself (turrets/non-turreted). More variety for instance the Stummel has a derpy howitzer gun. Maybe some  can have multiple gun options like howitzers. I mean I like howitzers and are fun to play I think :justwait::trollface:


 



undutchable80 #8 Posted 03 July 2019 - 01:28 PM

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I think I read in a Q&A that WG are using the French WVs to 'gather data' for the introduction of Russian, German, and I believe US and UK wheeled vehicles which were almost surely to follow in the future. Based on the things WG said they wanted to do in 2019 during December 2018 WGFest Moscow, I would think we will not see them until 2020, if not later.

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View Postundutchable80, on 03 July 2019 - 01:28 PM, said:

I think I read in a Q&A that WG are using the French WVs to 'gather data' for the introduction of Russian, German, and I believe US and UK wheeled vehicles which were almost surely to follow in the future. Based on the things WG said they wanted to do in 2019 during December 2018 WGFest Moscow, I would think we will not see them until 2020, if not later.

 

 

 

I'm really curious, 2020 is not so far away. If implemented 'right' I think it can be a great addition!



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View PostJonathan078NL, on 03 July 2019 - 11:05 AM, said:

Hello there everyone,

 


 

 

It's nice but can be halftracks faster than light tanks? They are good transportation vehicles but for fighting? What would be the peculiarity of a ht? BTW italian line should get wheeled vehicles, there are plenty of real one also much better than the actual tanks. 

 



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View Postresheph73, on 03 July 2019 - 01:39 PM, said:

 

It's nice but can be halftracks faster than light tanks? They are good transportation vehicles but for fighting? What would be the peculiarity of a ht? BTW italian line should get wheeled vehicles, there are plenty of real one also much better than the actual tanks.

 

 


 

If halftracks are not fittable for WoT then wheeled only vehicles could be an option offcourse, I found it hard to find only wheeled armored cars that could fullfill the role of TD's. I have to admit I'm not a specialist on this (just a WoT gamer), so I could've missed a few.


 

I just like the idea of being TD's instead of the lightning fast light ones like the French. I think this would fit really nice in the german techtree and it's doctrine. Plus it will give wheeled armored cars variation in roles.


 

Haltracks could be faster then medium and heavy tanks (maybe not lights) but would also have a large turning circle like a truck. Then again, it's just a wild idea which I think could work well if executed well.

 

 

Ps. Thank god there's a test server where this should be properly tested for some time offcourse :P


Edited by Jonathan078NL, 03 July 2019 - 02:06 PM.


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War Thunder have 1/2 tracks if I remember rightly. I stopped playing because my crew died first hit every time.    You could also see crew in open vehicles. 

I did enjoy playing WT for a while though.



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So basically as long as it's mobile and has a big gun on it that's now all that qualifies to enter a game called world of tanks? Well, I think they're interesting and could be fun, but in a different game. We have WoW, WoT and maybe just start another "all sorts" shoot em up game where you can remove wheeled vehicles from this game, put the in this new game, add half tracks, hover crafts, Toyota HiLux middle east edition, motorbikes, steam rollers and farm tractors for all I care, just stop polluting a tank vs tank game with non tanks. I'd even probably most likely play that other game too for lols, just stop mixing non tanks with this game. "But the game has artillery" yes and you can take those with you to the new game and all. 

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OIias_of_Sunhillow #14 Posted 03 July 2019 - 03:44 PM

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Why not railguns on maps with train-tracks ?

Schwerer Gustav anyone ..?

 

 

(As to the OP, yep, I like it.)


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Hate to be a party pooper, but don't those half-tracks/WVs have like... really bad guns for their tiers?

I mean, a 7.5cm L/46 only has like 144mm penetration at 100m distance...

And that's the suggested gun for the tier 10?

The alpha would also be quite laughable, afaik.



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View PostTungstenHitman, on 03 July 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

So basically as long as it's mobile and has a big gun on it that's now all that qualifies to enter a game called world of tanks? Well, I think they're interesting and could be fun, but in a different game. We have WoW, WoT and maybe just start another "all sorts" shoot em up game where you can remove wheeled vehicles from this game, put the in this new game, add half tracks, hover crafts, Toyota HiLux middle east edition, motorbikes, steam rollers and farm tractors for all I care, just stop polluting a tank vs tank game with non tanks. I'd even probably most likely play that other game too for lols, just stop mixing non tanks with this game. "But the game has artillery" yes and you can take those with you to the new game and all.

 

 

Strong point, I can understand what you're saying.

Since there are allready lighting fast wheeled French vehicles I think this could be a nice addition to wheeled vehicles in general, giving them multiple roles. Better then adding only light wheeled lightning fast armored cars for scouting I guess. I still think halftracks could fit within WoT, especially because there are allready halftracks in the game (*cough Kharkov, Ruinberg..:trollface:). Halftracks that play like paperthin TD's with some decent camo value.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 03 July 2019 - 03:48 PM, said:

Hate to be a party pooper, but don't those half-tracks/WVs have like... really bad guns for their tiers?

I mean, a 7.5cm L/46 only has like 144mm penetration at 100m distance...

And that's the suggested gun for the tier 10?

The alpha would also be quite laughable, afaik.

 

In addition to the calibers, you're right. So you could lower their tier for example or make the guns more in line with the game and give them more pen and/or alpha. The guns on the vehicles mentioned above are historical, certainly not balanced for WoT.

<a href='https://www.valka.cz/attachments/796/7_5PaK44_auf_3_to_Zgkw.jpg' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='external'>https://www.valka.cz...f_3_to_Zgkw.jpg</a>

I mean, look at this picture. Tell me this can't fit in WoT?;)


 

There were halftracks equipped with 88mm guns as well, up to the 88mm L/71. This is the 8,8 cm FlaK 37 (Sf) auf Fgst. s.Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9):

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Sonder Kraftfahrzeug 8 mit 8,8cm FlaK 18 (8,8 cm FlaK 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 12t): A short 88 mounted on a Sd.Kfz. 8 chassis

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Sorry, but as it stands it's hard to see this happening. Guns are the problem- 37mm pak36 isn't workable on t6, 50mm at t7, l46 at tX... And so forth. These would work fine compressed into t2-5 bracket, but from t7 on it'd be fantasy tanks all over. Maybe 88 flak on halftrack would fit t6. Good idea But requires some advanced research on top tiers...

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German half track with an 88, apparently there is one with the L67 version of the 88.

 

In fact the half track TDs actually fit quite well with the Waffentrager line, and both should play the same, good guns, no armour, once spotted dead.

 

I am actually less keen on more wheeled vehicles, I think the French line is sufficient, and WG should stop there.


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View PostJonathan078NL, on 03 July 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

 

 

 

Thanks,


 

I guess you're right with the population of the german tree. I think the reasons for that is because it's an older tree plus the germans have a rather big backlog of vehicles. I personally think they had pretty great armored cars aswell which could be a nice addition to WoT since the first release of wheeled lights not so long ago IMHO.


 

Which trees do you refer too that need some attention?

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Ah come on, you know you would like it.. just shooting them alone.. :justwait:;)

 

The trees that need some attention are getting it now really, British lights coming soon and I'd imagine there'll be more in the other trees as time goes on, but seeing as we already have scalextric cars turning up in trees, half tracks could be quite a nice change of pace - I share the fears with the guns though, I'd imagine it'll end up with either 88's or 128's so maybe up to tier 5 and filing a role like the T67 in TD roles?







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