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Poll: Wheeled and Halftrack Tank Destroyers (German) (53 members have cast votes)

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Would it be a great idea to add a german wheeled and halftrack tank destoyers tech line to World of Tanks?

  1. Yes (31 votes [58.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.49%

  2. No (15 votes [28.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.30%

  3. Maybe (7 votes [13.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.21%

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Hellfoxe #21 Posted 03 July 2019 - 04:54 PM

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The idea with halftracks and more wheelies sound horrible. The halftracks don't have any armor against shells is easy to kill with one or two shot and more wheelies sound terrible if we can see the experimental french wheelies. I see the topics complain filled if they are released.

Nishi_Kinuyo #22 Posted 03 July 2019 - 05:09 PM

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View PostJonathan078NL, on 03 July 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

In addition to the calibers, you're right. So you could lower their tier for example or make the guns more in line with the game and give them more pen and/or alpha. The guns on the vehicles mentioned above are historical, certainly not balanced for WoT.

 

Afbeeldingsresultaat voor halftracks in wot

I mean, look at this picture. Tell me this can't fit in WoT?;)


 

There were halftracks equipped with 88mm guns as well, up to the 88mm L/71. This is the 8,8 cm FlaK 37 (Sf) auf Fgst. s.Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9):

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(source: http://ftr.wot-news....t-1-appearance/)

Apparantly I'm not the only one walking with such ideas... :)

 

 


 

 

Sonder Kraftfahrzeug 8 mit 8,8cm FlaK 18 (8,8 cm FlaK 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 12t): A short 88 mounted on a Sd.Kfz. 8 chassis

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All I'm seeing is like tier 6-7 material at best.

Like... 8.8cm PaK L/71 is a TD gun on the Nashorn, how would any of the above suggestions be suitable for anything higher?

The 8.8 L/56 would be like tier 5-6 at best.

 

Afaik, there aren't even napkin designs for higher tier wheeled/halftrack TDs that would be viable without extreme min/maxing or overbuffing of the stats.



Jonathan078NL #23 Posted 03 July 2019 - 06:16 PM

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The halftracks (and wheeled vehicles) I mentioned in first post are all historical as far as I can tell. There are alot of non-historical/altered tank versions or gun setups allready in WoT so why wouldn't that be possible for halftracks (and armored cars)?

Alot of tanks in WoT allready have buffed calibers / non historical gun options. So I can't see the problem there. Maybe there are alot of wheeled and halftracks that only existed on blueprints or just on paper, which could fill some gaps with higher calibers like 10,5 cm, 12,8 cm or even 15 cm (maybe throw in some auto loaders aswell to make it more interesting and diverse :trollface:). I'm almost certain the germans had lots of ideas that didn't make it to prototype phase or actual production.

 

Halftracks being destroyed in 1-2 shots also sounds pretty realistic and familiar, I mean look at Rheinmetall Borsig, Skorpion, WT on Pz. IV,  those too are gone in 2-3 shots if not less when HE is used...:justwait:


Edited by Jonathan078NL, 03 July 2019 - 06:37 PM.


Jonathan078NL #24 Posted 03 July 2019 - 06:59 PM

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View PostOIias_of_Sunhillow, on 03 July 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

Why not railguns on maps with train-tracks ?

Schwerer Gustav anyone ..?

 

 

(As to the OP, yep, I like it.)

 

We allready have those in WoT.. :trollface:

 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=-RdYnhzwIz0


Edited by Jonathan078NL, 03 July 2019 - 07:02 PM.


OIias_of_Sunhillow #25 Posted 03 July 2019 - 07:18 PM

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View PostJonathan078NL, on 03 July 2019 - 05:59 PM, said:

 

We allready have those in WoT.. :trollface:

 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=-RdYnhzwIz0

 

Well paint me stunned..!  :ohmy:

Bordhaw #26 Posted 03 July 2019 - 07:19 PM

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View PostJonathan078NL, on 03 July 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

 

 

 

I'm really curious, 2020 is not so far away. If implemented 'right' I think it can be a great addition!

 

But do you think the French "wheelies" have been implemented "right" ? 

Jonathan078NL #27 Posted 03 July 2019 - 07:22 PM

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View PostOIias_of_Sunhillow, on 03 July 2019 - 07:18 PM, said:

 

Well paint me stunned..!  :ohmy:

 

If you're not willing to install this mod (which is perfect understandable:)). Then take a look on Steppes in vanilla WoT, go to A4..:hiding:

Jonathan078NL #28 Posted 03 July 2019 - 07:41 PM

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View PostBordhaw, on 03 July 2019 - 07:19 PM, said:

 

But do you think the French "wheelies" have been implemented "right" ? 

 

I think they're too fast and nearly impossible to track, so they could use some work if you ask me.

 

Don't understand me wrong, I see your concern. Don't compare german wheeled and halftracks TD's to those fast french scouts. The german ones don't need a nitro boost, maybe french ones also can do without freaking nitro. These german armored cars and halftracks should just fulfill the TD role, laying an ambush instead of racing through the map. They shouldn't be as fast as those french, less accelaration but maybe a little bit faster then mediums. Halftracks even slower maybe. But both should have decent view range unlike the french armored cars IIRC.

 

Alternative option can be: German halftrack act as TD's and wheeled armored cars act as scouts*. But still I think all can and should be TD's as it fits the german tech tree better IMHO. I'm not sure yet. And it's WG's decision if they ever plan to do something like this.

 

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* This one is easily done... :)

 


Edited by Jonathan078NL, 03 July 2019 - 07:49 PM.


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I'm in favour just because I seriously want to drive something called a "Pakwagen". The very name makes me giggle with glee as I unleash what will probably be a pathetic cannon upon mine enemies.

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View PostDorander, on 03 July 2019 - 07:51 PM, said:

I'm in favour just because I seriously want to drive something called a "Pakwagen". The very name makes me giggle with glee as I unleash what will probably be a pathetic cannon upon mine enemies.

 

Hahaha LoL, you will only hear ding, ding, ding when hitting them hahahaha in your 'Panzerabwehrkanonwagen'.  :D


Edited by Jonathan078NL, 03 July 2019 - 08:00 PM.


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View PostJonathan078NL, on 03 July 2019 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

Hahaha LoL, you will only hear ding, ding, ding when hitting them hahahaha in your 'Panzerabwehrkanonwagen'.  :D

 

Must be a forum display error, I have nearly 21k battles.

OIias_of_Sunhillow #32 Posted 03 July 2019 - 08:07 PM

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View PostJonathan078NL, on 03 July 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

 

If you're not willing to install this mod (which is perfect understandable:)). Then take a look on Steppes in vanilla WoT, go to A4..:hiding:

 

Or Himmelsdorf, all the way down the West.

...with the Gustav.

 

..Ensk...  ..Highway..  ..

 

..any others ?



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View PostTungstenHitman, on 03 July 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

So basically as long as it's mobile and has a big gun on it that's now all that qualifies to enter a game called world of tanks? Well, I think they're interesting and could be fun, but in a different game. We have WoW, WoT and maybe just start another "all sorts" shoot em up game where you can remove wheeled vehicles from this game, put the in this new game, add half tracks, hover crafts, Toyota HiLux middle east edition, motorbikes, steam rollers and farm tractors for all I care, just stop polluting a tank vs tank game with non tanks. I'd even probably most likely play that other game too for lols, just stop mixing non tanks with this game. "But the game has artillery" yes and you can take those with you to the new game and all. 

 

If we follow your "logic", we'd have T-34 and KV variants only.

 

And unlike what someone already stated, that "this is World of Tanks and so it should only have tanks" is quite a very poor argument.



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View PostWindSplitter1, on 03 July 2019 - 07:35 PM, said:

 

If we follow your "logic", we'd have T-34 and KV variants only.

 

And unlike what someone already stated, that "this is World of Tanks and so it should only have tanks" is quite a very poor argument.

 

Not really mate, you'd just have a team combat game featuring tanks... which is what the name leans heavily towards "World of Tanks" not "World of Tanks feat SPG + armored cars". Your statement suggesting that using the title is a very poor argument is in fact the very poor argument since clearly what the bloody tank game is about, tanks, unless of course you'd like expand on what you think a tank game actually is? See the way War Thunder, which includes all sorts of combat vehicles doesn't suggest its a world of tanks and a tank only combat game? That's because it isn't a tank only game and never pretended to be so if players adore all the other stuff then go play that game and many others. Stop trying to twist WoT into some bad version of the others, it can only fall flat on it's face, it's all ready been done, already exists and while war thunder is unique in its own way, WoT needs to stay unique as a tank only combat game in its own way too, otherwise it's just a cheap wannabe of some other game and that will be just sad. 

I_Gutmensch_Deluxe_I #35 Posted 04 July 2019 - 12:18 AM

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No wheeled Tanks... no... its World of Tanks not World of Tanks,Cars and Arta.

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From the Wargaming website:

 

"World of Tanks is a massively multiplayer online game featuring combat vehicles from the mid-20th century."

 

Combat Vehicles is an incredibly broad and encompassing term which includes, but is not limited to, Armoured Cars and SPGs. :playing::justwait:

 

 



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Grubbers little tank anyone?

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God yes! 
Gief us Puma today!!! :izmena:

 

08:24 Added after 1 minute

 

Low tier, pew pew?

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...and this little favorite from Heroes and Generals:

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Hell yeah! Why not!? WoT is not a tank only game (anymore), so please add these nice armorered cars. They look far better then the french ones IMHO. And ditch the fast&furious nitro. This is not Need for Speed!

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The big problem with the OP's list is that it appears to be populated with vehicles which were production models. I thought WG's policy (as evidenced by the calamity that is the new British LT line) was to ignore vehicles that saw active service in favour of designs that were either prototyped once or never made it off the drawing board... or maybe that's a harsh view?

 

On a more serious note, it looks like a fun idea.







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