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SOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY #1 Posted 05 July 2019 - 05:01 AM

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I have researched 15 tier X tanks but I only have 8 of them in my garage. Reasons are: the rest either are horrible, or are overshadowed by other tier Xs that do the same job better.

 

What's the point of owning a

T110E5 when you have a  Superconqeuror,

113 when you have a WZ-111 5A,

T62A when you have an obj. 140?

 

And what's the point of owning

an obj 268

an E100

or an IS-4

... at all? They range from lackluster to absolutely horrible.

 

Feel free to add the tier Xs to the list which you believe have a meaningless existence.

Especially looking at you, 121.

 

 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #2 Posted 05 July 2019 - 05:33 AM

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Grille 15, Rhm Pzw, 113G FT, Foch B, AMX 30B and more tier 10s can be added that fit between annoying to play and completely useless but isn't this the case in every other tier?

 

There are always :crab: tanks in every class and tier and always will be. The idea, i guess, is to give something(s) for everyone to enjoy and play. Some tanks have mobility, others have good guns and a few have a bit of everything. With +500 tanks already in the game there is no point complaining about what's working as intended.



SOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY #3 Posted 05 July 2019 - 05:50 AM

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To some extent I agree with you, it is fine that some tanks are worse than others, some are more useful, others are difficult to play and have only niche uses.

We could argue that Maus isnt among the best tier Xs currently, but it does have its niche, it is unique, and it is clearkly different from its brother... the type 5 heavy. So I dont complain about those.

However, I think tier X deserves special attention. There shouldnt be tanks in tier x that are intended for the very same role, but are just worse at filling it than their counterparts without any benefit or quirk.

Eg. I welcome the recent changes to the stb-1 which finally made it different enough from the other NATO meds. i also welcome the changes to the Swedish heavies, kranvagn is now distinctly different from 50b and t57. I believe similar tweaks are needed for the tanks I listed. EG. Increasing E5`s alpha to 440 to compensate for cupola.

Since polish tier x is in the game, e100 is no longer unique with only heavy with 750 alpha. Why would anyone take it over the polish tank now? pls dont say armor...

 


Edited by SOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY, 05 July 2019 - 06:06 AM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #4 Posted 05 July 2019 - 06:25 AM

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Tier 10 do get special attention hence the constant shuffling and churning of stats but those are mainly financial decisions. It does absolutely nothing to improve the quality of game play in that particular tier. The changes are cyclic and meant to tempt players to grind new tech trees which makes tier 10 unstable and an unappealing investment of time and money, at least to me.

 

As for the tank roles, variety in game play is definitely needed and a good thing to have but you run out of ideas rather quickly. There are 20 tier 10 mediums for example. You start reaching the limit of combinations you can have out of: "hull down", "heavy medium", "auto loader", "Soviet no gun depression", "Chinese no gun depression", "no armor sniper", etc. At least you run out of good tanks and you get things like the K-91.



8126Jakobsson #5 Posted 05 July 2019 - 06:26 AM

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Can we make light tanks more relevant? Like...idunno...fixing their guns, perhaps? 

XxKuzkina_MatxX #6 Posted 05 July 2019 - 06:29 AM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 05 July 2019 - 09:26 AM, said:

Can we make light tanks more relevant? Like...idunno...fixing their guns, perhaps? 

 

Honestly i don't see that happening anytime soon but you probably know that.

undutchable80 #7 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:04 AM

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Can we get some mid tier (5-7) rebalance first pls? It seems to me that the last few years, WG have spent considerable time and effort on tier Xs and to a lesser extent (last few months) on T8-9, whereas some mid tiers have been untouched since the day they were released it seems. 

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View PostSOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY, on 05 July 2019 - 05:50 AM, said:

 

Since polish tier x is in the game, e100 is no longer unique with only heavy with 750 alpha. Why would anyone take it over the polish tank now? pls dont say armor...

 

 

The armour (well, the armour layout that allows for sidescraping) but mainly for the 334 pen HEAT round that punch trough superheavys far better than the 300 pen HEAT of the polish tank.

 

Edit

Also E100 has more HP to trade.


Edited by Dava_117, 05 July 2019 - 09:00 AM.


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View PostSOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY, on 05 July 2019 - 05:01 AM, said:

I have researched 15 tier X tanks but I only have 8 of them in my garage. Reasons are: the rest either are horrible, or are overshadowed by other tier Xs that do the same job better.

 

What's the point of owning a

T110E5 when you have a  Superconqeuror,

113 when you have a WZ-111 5A,

T62A when you have an obj. 140?

 

And what's the point of owning

an obj 268

an E100

or an IS-4

... at all? They range from lackluster to absolutely horrible.

 

Feel free to add the tier Xs to the list which you believe have a meaningless existence.

Especially looking at you, 121.

 

 

 

 

  1. T110E5 only need the removal of the cupola on the turret as was done on world of tanks blitz
  2. 113 only needs more ammorack resistance
  3. T62 needs no change, has a formidable turret armor , the best of all Russian meds together with the 430U , and people should stop playing it badly
  4. Obj268 should have a reduction to aim time and more armor on the front plates positioned on the sides of the gun, the rest is fine as it is
  5. E100 needs to have the Type-C turret in addition to the current turret which is more similar and sensible than the current one and more logical given the previous turrets design of tiger 2 and e75
  6. IS4 needs a complete buff of its gun handling and a reduction of the reload time since the DPM is really bad imo , besides the overmatch without sense on the roof of the turret must be removed.

 

 

I would add to this list :

 

  1. AMX 30B
  2. 121
  3. FV215B
  4. RHM PZW
  5. SHERIDAN
  6. AMX 13 105
  7. WZ 132 1 


Thejagdpanther #10 Posted 05 July 2019 - 09:47 AM

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If you remove the dumb monotier X MM in random and leave it for CW or tournaments you will find out that a lot of TX tonks are more fine than everyone think.
Clearly some serious cases will remain that will have to be settled in any case.

In_memory_of_Bud_Spencer #11 Posted 05 July 2019 - 10:19 AM

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I would say, we should go other way round. Not to buff tanks that are too weak but to nerf tanks that are too strong. Reason: To make the gap to tier 8 which can be in the same battle not too large.

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T95/FV
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Obj 907
 

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 05 July 2019 - 05:26 AM, said:

Can we make light tanks more relevant? Like...idunno...fixing their guns, perhaps? 

Dont know how similar tier 8 and tier 10 lights are tier for tier, but having played frontline and having seen how well the lights work there, I`d say biggest buff you can give to lights is to introduce huge maps (or tier 10 frontline).



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Well, we know WG had a "Global rebalance" planned for high tiers again soon as they said. E100 and Tiger II was mentioned. If it's a buff to make them valid again, or a rebalance for a different role etc remains to be seen for those they have mentioned so far. Who knows if the ST-II is a part of that much like the Badger etc was for the 183 line.

 

But IMO the worst tier X I own is the Rheinmetall Panzerwagen. Grille 15 IMO is another that lacks a bit. But tbh the tier 9 did feel the same when I did grind it back in the day. And that got its turret traverse limit removed. That alone made it work.  E100 is not 100% useless. But it gets rolled over fast. It's strong, but it's not effective armor like others. So you show your "weak spot" when you aim at someone.

 

View PostValkyrionX, on 05 July 2019 - 09:31 AM, said

T110E5 only need the removal of the cupola on the turret as was done on world of tanks blitz

 

Making the cupola stronger alone did not help the balance the last time. But removing it on most US tanks would help too. Much like the "ears" on the T29 that had an hitbox before. T95E2, 59 Patton etc... So many US tanks are made useless by that roof cupola.

 

View PostIn_memory_of_Bud_Spencer, on 05 July 2019 - 10:19 AM, said:

I would say, we should go other way round. Not to buff tanks that are too weak but to nerf tanks that are too strong. Reason: To make the gap to tier 8 which can be in the same battle not too large.

 

That could backfire in a different way. And it's a way bigger undertaking, and will take way longer to test I suspect vs the "benchmark tanks" on each tier for it to work by the time it's implemented. And considering role differences on even tier 8. As not all HT's are brawlers, and not all have guns meant for even the VK 100.01 on their own tier. The gaps will be big for some regardless. Be it tier 8 or X. Equal tier balance is a bigger issue then +2 balance atm on tier 8.



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View PostSOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY, on 05 July 2019 - 10:43 AM, said:

Dont know how similar tier 8 and tier 10 lights are tier for tier, but having played frontline and having seen how well the lights work there, I`d say biggest buff you can give to lights is to introduce huge maps (or tier 10 frontline).

 

The tens have garbage accuracy, rolling around with worse dispersion numbers than heavies. I think the class should have accurate guns (unless you're rockin' an actual derp). 

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View PostSOROS_SCHWARTZ_GYORGY, on 05 July 2019 - 10:43 AM, said:

Dont know how similar tier 8 and tier 10 lights are tier for tier, but having played frontline and having seen how well the lights work there, I`d say biggest buff you can give to lights is to introduce huge maps (or tier 10 frontline).

 

There are large maps at T10 the Grand Battle maps. The t10 Lights are overshadowed by the T10 meds like 907, 140 and Batchat all have decently view ranges, higher dpm, better acc more HPs etc the lights need to get better view range and better guns.

Edited by Rati_Festa, 05 July 2019 - 11:04 AM.


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View Postthe_nebuchadnezzar, on 05 July 2019 - 09:26 AM, said:

Obj 430U

 

That one's totally fine and doesn't need any rebalancing and my saying that is completely unrelated to my decision to pick up my Object 430 grind. Honest. :hiding:



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My main issue with tier 10 tanks is the amount of credits you drain just to be an HP pinata... I would very much like to play my tier 10 tanks, but losing 40-50K a game its just too much.
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View Postr00barb, on 05 July 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

 

That one's totally fine and doesn't need any rebalancing and my saying that is completely unrelated to my decision to pick up my Object 430 grind. Honest. :hiding:

 

Just be prepared to be disappointed. Tanks is good, but all tanks are good in the hands of good players. 430 U for the average Joe, like me, is just like a fast heavy.




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