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WG can you just create a new MM which is based on personal rating?


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Poll: WG can you just create a new MM which is based on personal rating? (158 members have cast votes)

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do you think that WG should create a new MM?

  1. Yes (58 votes [34.94%])

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  2. No (108 votes [65.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.06%

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splash_time #1 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:17 PM

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Hi guys

I was wondering, what would happen If WG creates a new MM based on players personal ratings?

wouldn't be a good option? Good player vs good players. Med players vs med player and finally weak players(new) vs weak players.

this can prevent fast loses or on contrary, fast wins.

it's not a joke that when u play 20 battles, and you win only 2 or 3 battles....

and especially when high skilled players create a platoon, many times i noticed that when top tier(of any tiers) are not a good players or not skilled enough to play the tank that they own, many players destroy them at the beginning(especially light tanks), the battle will just be a total lose....

so what is your opinion guys?


Edited by splash_time, 05 July 2019 - 07:52 PM.


gav00 #2 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:18 PM

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The "good" players don't want it because it means less noob farming. That's pretty much the bottom line and it will never happen

splash_time #3 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:20 PM

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They can add two kind of Random battles 

  • MM of ranked players(based on personal rating)
  • Random battles

in my personal opinion, it's a better option for me and new beginners 


Edited by splash_time, 05 July 2019 - 07:39 PM.


I_Gutmensch_Deluxe_I #4 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:22 PM

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All will be Average

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NekoPuffer_PPP #5 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:22 PM

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View Postgav00, on 05 July 2019 - 08:18 PM, said:

The "good" players don't want it because it means less noob farming. That's pretty much the bottom line and it will never happen

 

I don't like it when the "good" players on the enemy team farm my noobs though...

splash_time #6 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:25 PM

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View PostI_Gutmensch_Deluxe_I, on 05 July 2019 - 07:22 PM, said:

All will be Average

 

Exactly, no longer noob players who only camp and shoot from far, they would all be placed in one team, and then they can enjoy camping and draws

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4947188#karelia-splash_time-emil_ii  my personal gameplay, see? when only good players left, they can handle the games


Edited by splash_time, 05 July 2019 - 07:31 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #7 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:29 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 05 July 2019 - 07:20 PM, said:

They can add two kind of Random battles 

  • MM of ranked players
  • Random battles

in my personal opinion, it's a better option for me and new beginners 

 

There is already a ranked mode. Also lumping all the low skill players together doesn't help you learn if there are no good players there to learn from.



splash_time #8 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:32 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 05 July 2019 - 07:29 PM, said:

 

There is already a ranked mode. Also lumping all the low skill players together doesn't help you learn if there are no good players there to learn from.

 

From ranked i meant personal rating because it's a kind of rank you know? :)

and yeah but none of us was a good player since the beginning, so they must try to watch other players replays, WG can post the site link address on the main game's luncher news or something


Edited by splash_time, 05 July 2019 - 07:35 PM.


LordMuffin #9 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:46 PM

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I wouldn't mind a skillbased matchmaker.
But before that, the games needs some huge rebalance on tanks and maps.

gav00 #10 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:50 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 05 July 2019 - 07:29 PM, said:

 

lumping all the low skill players together doesn't help you learn if there are no good players there to learn from.

 

I suspect that very few people watch the better players unless they are a streamer anyways.



onderschepper #11 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:51 PM

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The +1/-1 MM Trial is currently ongoing over on console, however the feedback seems to be mostly positive.

 

http://forum-console...hout-the-drama/

 

If the end results are satisfactory, then one would hope a similar idea would be trialed on PC - though the most obvious complaint against this relates to the negative effect this has on Preferential MM for some Premium Vehicles.



BravelyRanAway #12 Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:52 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 05 July 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

 

so what is your opinion guys?

I like that everyone is treated the same by the MM. Some sink, some float very well and some like me splash around a bit with arms flailing, but that's OK.

There are players who want a SBMM, but there are different reasons for wanting it.

Players like LM^^ above, want it for the challenge, that's fine.

Others want it so they can hide among their own peers and not be called out for playing badly.....which is a bit chicken.

I think the game has survived so long because of the random MM which gives highs and lows(although the 3/5/7 template system was bad)

 

 



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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 05 July 2019 - 07:52 PM, said:

Others want it so they can hide among their own peers and not be called out for playing badly.....which is a bit chicken.

 

I don't really think it's fair to call people chicken. The WoT player base is disgustingly toxic and most of it comes from the mid-to-high WN8 players.

Personally I would rather play with a team of tomatoes or same-skill players and not have to put up with endless abuse during and after a game.

 

Knowing that you are playing with and against a similar skill level may also add a sense of commendatory among team mates. 



splash_time #14 Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:02 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 05 July 2019 - 07:52 PM, said:

I like that everyone is treated the same by the MM. Some sink, some float very well and some like me splash around a bit with arms flailing, but that's OK.

There are players who want a SBMM, but there are different reasons for wanting it.

Players like LM^^ above, want it for the challenge, that's fine.

Others want it so they can hide among their own peers and not be called out for playing badly.....which is a bit chicken.

I think the game has survived so long because of the random MM which gives highs and lows(although the 3/5/7 template system was bad)

 

 

 

yeah, i know, but honestly, how many times you win in random battles? let's say, 7 in a row, do you win them all? 

it's really not fair, sometimes i cause 7k damage and my team lose, or sometimes i get destroyed by only 2k or sometimes 0 damage because of my team.

would u call it fair if most of the enemy's top tiers are 7k+ personal rating? or you lose with less than 3k damage caused? of course no, you won't. :facepalm:


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BravelyRanAway #15 Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:04 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 05 July 2019 - 07:02 PM, said:

 

would u call it fair if most of the enemy's top tiers are 7k+ personal rating? of course no, you won't. :facepalm:

If that was happening all the time, then there'd be a problem, but it doesn't and that renders your point mute.



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View Postsplash_time, on 05 July 2019 - 07:25 PM, said:

 

Exactly, no longer noob players who only camp and shoot from far, they would all be placed in one team, and then they can enjoy camping and draws...

Well... how do you expect this mode to work?

Rating is you performance against other players. If you facing equals, and a player with rating way lower then yours is facing equals, that you will both perform the same. Next time MM will seed you in the same game.



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I don't know how anyone can argue against this. A fair matchmaking for all skill-levels. How is that bad in any way?

splash_time #18 Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:08 PM

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View Postvixu, on 05 July 2019 - 08:04 PM, said:

Well... how do you expect this mode to work?

Rating is you performance against other players. If you facing equals, and a player with rating way lower then yours is facing equals, that you will both perform the same. Next time MM will seed you in the same game.

 

I don't know, I'm asking and sharing my opinion mate! :D

well, i would prefer to play with equal players than losing most of my battles and wasting my time without any progress...



BravelyRanAway #19 Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:12 PM

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View Postsplash_time, on 05 July 2019 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

well, i would prefer to play with equal players than losing most of my battles and wasting my time without any progress...

But you're not, you're winning more than half your battles.

But if you want a skilled MM, you'll only win half your battles.



splash_time #20 Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:13 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 05 July 2019 - 08:04 PM, said:

If that was happening all the time, then there'd be a problem, but it doesn't and that renders your point mute.

 

no it doesn't. Because when i see that most of the good players come back with new accounts or reset there accounts, would they have that high personal rating from first moment? once i seen a player who caused 10k damage with 3k personal rating, what u call that? I'm a noob idk :/
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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 05 July 2019 - 08:12 PM, said:

But you're not, you're winning more than half your battles.

But if you want a skilled MM, you'll only win half your battles.

 

Can you explain more please? 

and i understood some of your point, but, this "skilled MM" was crushing me until now.






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