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tajj7 #61 Posted 30 October 2019 - 10:07 AM

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XxKuzkina_MatxX #64 Posted 30 October 2019 - 10:43 AM

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View Posttajj7, on 30 October 2019 - 01:07 PM, said:

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View PostVarzA, on 30 October 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

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Friendly reminder: The topic is about the M48A2 Räumpanzer not about any other medium or game balance. Feel free to make your own thread if you want to discuss any of that. Let's keep it clean for anyone who want to know something about the tank or share some review for it.



Mr_Bator #65 Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:10 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 30 October 2019 - 09:43 AM, said:

 

 

 

Friendly reminder: The topic is about the M48A2 Räumpanzer not about any other medium or game balance. Feel free to make your own thread if you want to discuss any of that. Let's keep it clean for anyone who want to know something about the tank or share some review for it.


Interesting tank. Do you think the tank is good for flipping tanks? It would be a nice and welcoming niche.

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XxKuzkina_MatxX #66 Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:26 AM

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View PostMr_Bator, on 30 October 2019 - 02:10 PM, said:

Interesting tank. Do you think the tank is good for flipping tanks? It would be a nice and welcoming niche.

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Don't know about that but MisterCro is streaming the new tank. Go take a look and see if it's any good.



tajj7 #67 Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:35 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 30 October 2019 - 09:43 AM, said:

 

 

 

Friendly reminder: The topic is about the M48A2 Räumpanzer not about any other medium or game balance. Feel free to make your own thread if you want to discuss any of that. Let's keep it clean for anyone who want to know something about the tank or share some review for it.

 

I think comparing the tank and showing it is worse than other recently introduced premiums that are average is pretty relevant to the topic.

 

Plus there are only so many different ways to say the tank is crap. 



Spurtung #68 Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:56 AM

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This tank will be better than SPGs at...wait for it...digging out enemies.

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View PostStrizi, on 05 July 2019 - 11:40 PM, said:

240 alpha, crap accuracy, crap dpm, crap mobility?

 

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Ditto,and that dozer blade will be penned with APCR quicker than crapthrough a goose, might have been  interesting with out that tumour on top but no, the standard price tells me everything, similar to a recent new German heavy which turned out to be a turd.

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View Posttajj7, on 30 October 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

No buffs to it as far as I can see then, which means its still utter trash, which is funny because that it is all it is probably good for, clearing up trash with its dozer blade. 

 

I suppose at least with recent premiums being released you can't accuse WG of releasing OP premiums anymore, they all seem to be ranging from average to trash.

 

This thing is awful.

Turtle is average to meh

TL-1 LPC is average, probably the best new premium of recent times.

Senlac is pretty average.

VK 75.01 K is pretty average. 

Emil 1951 is basically an Emil 1 pretty much.

Skoda T27 was ok but nowhere near a Progetto.

Lansen C was ok.

 

Have a I missed any, not been a power creep or super strong premium for ages as far as I can remember, which is a thing I suppose. 

Yeah lets bring back quality OP tanks like the Defender, E  25  and....... The Tog:D



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View Posttajj7, on 30 October 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

 

This thing is awful.

Turtle is average to meh

TL-1 LPC is average, probably the best new premium of recent times.

Senlac is pretty average.

VK 75.01 K is pretty average. 

Emil 1951 is basically an Emil 1 pretty much.

Skoda T27 was ok but nowhere near a Progetto.

Lansen C was ok.

 

Have a I missed any, not been a power creep or super strong premium for ages as far as I can remember, which is a thing I suppose. 

 

AE Phase 1 is also ok and not a lot more.



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View Posttajj7, on 30 October 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:


 

 

Have a I missed any, not been a power creep or super strong premium for ages as far as I can remember, which is a thing I suppose.

TS5, SU130PM, EBR, T-103, HWK30, M41D... which date is your cut-off point? :popcorn:



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View PostMiepie, on 30 October 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

TS5, SU130PM, EBR, T-103, HWK30, M41D... which date is your cut-off point? :popcorn:

 

TS-5 is very strong I'll give you that one, it's a situational tank though and certainly not everyone's cup of tea. 

 

EBR is no stronger than an Even 90, they perform very similarly on the WR curves. 

 

T-103 is awful, probably one of the worst TDs in the game.

 

SU-130PM is a worse Skorp G and despite the complaints it's OP the Skorp G is a pretty well balanced tank. 

 

HWK-30/M41-D are good tier 8 lights nothing more, nowhere near as strong as the tier 8 meta tanks. 

 

Probably your list shows that most premiums for quite a while now have varied from average to bad. 



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So the accuracy became 0,42 (according to sale article) and not 0,4?

It seems dpm was dialed down a bit to 1895 too.

 

Clearly last test iteration made it too stronk?



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View Posteldrak, on 30 October 2019 - 04:39 PM, said:

So the accuracy became 0,42 (according to sale article) and not 0,4?

It seems dpm was dialed down a bit to 1895 too.

 

Clearly last test iteration made it too stronk?

 

Nominal stats vs. performance stats.

 

The performance stats are with a 100% crew. To convert you need to either divide or multiply the numbers by 1.043 depending on the value. WG usually use the nominal stats for the tank without a crew. The accuracy is 0.4, aim time is 1.82s and the DPM is 1976.


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View Posttajj7, on 30 October 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

 


 

 

Probably your list shows that most premiums for quite a while now have varied from average to bad.

Yeah, my list was for the "Have I missed any" part of your previous post; not to convey that I think any of them are overpowered. :honoring:

Isn't the LT432 from januari of this year as well, though?


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View PostMiepie, on 30 October 2019 - 01:23 PM, said:

Yeah, my list was for the "Have I missed any" part of your previous post; not to convey that I think any of them are overpowered. :honoring:

Isn't the LT432 from januari of this year as well, though?

 

Oh sorry, can't remember, but yeh LT-432 is probably the strongest, most powercreep premium for a long time, but still not sure I would call it OP, it's very good but it is still after all a light tank with like 180 alpha. 



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I checked Tanks.GG (base stats w/o crew) and it seems slightly worse then the LPC1 thingy and better then the KR. 

So, worth a buy? 

 

 



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View PostJethro_Grey, on 30 October 2019 - 03:39 PM, said:

So, worth a buy? 

 

No. 

 

Poor pen 

Average alpha

Average DPM

Bad accuracy

Good gun handling

Poor view range for medium (despite that giant cupola)

Poor top speed

Poor engine power

And armour completely ruined by that giant cupola (and still worse than the Super Pershing).

 

If you want a semi-mobile heavy/medium hybrid premium wait of the M54 renegade (which has the same cupola issue but is faster, with more alpha, more DPM, more pen, better accuracy, more view range) or the E75 TS. 

 

 



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View PostJethro_Grey, on 30 October 2019 - 07:39 PM, said:

I checked Tanks.GG (base stats w/o crew) and it seems slightly worse then the LPC1 thingy and better then the KR. 

So, worth a buy?

 

It's better than the KR in some areas but still the KR itself isn't doing great. Watch Yzn3 play it and judge for yourself. No need to rush and buy something that will be on sale in the future. Maybe you will find a better tank or a better tank in a marathon. :)



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View PostJethro_Grey, on 30 October 2019 - 05:39 PM, said:

I checked Tanks.GG (base stats w/o crew) and it seems slightly worse then the LPC1 thingy and better then the KR. 

So, worth a buy? 

 

 


Probably not.

It's rather a pointless tank tbh.

 

There are 2 german  (many ppl compare it with TL-1 LPC or other american mediums) medium lines in this game.

- E50M line ... you are better off with panther/m10, 5/4 (if it goes on sale again) or Panther 88 ... you can get it from referral and it has way higher dpm than this tank has, not to mention that it's actually more mobile than this tank (though paper); on top of that, the crew layout does not match

- Leopard 1 line, Mutz is just plain better tank, more mobile, armor trollish enough, better alpha/dpm and has similar playstyle

 

Unless they want this as the crew trainer of a future german line that is of american made tanks the german army used post-ww2, it really doesn't fit.

 

On top of that, the armor is pointless, even if you assume the armor profile is the same as the t10 american M48A5, you still have the horrible cupola (it's 150-160 effective at best), heavy tanks level of mobility and not so great hp/t (which dictates how fast you peak up/down on ridgelines too).

Gun/dpm is basically standard 240 alpha gun medium at t8, so nothing special, with pen being about the same.

 

So it's kinda pointless for credit making, it's not future proof (i for one do not believe that the days of WG powercreeping through premiums are gone), and kinda pointless for training. One cool feature of this tank though is the rounded front of the M48, which is hidden by the blade, and which could be used to bait shots into, if they don't pay attention to the penetration marker. :)

Overall this is why i expected it to be part of some marathon, i'm honestly surprised they sold it outright.

 

PS: One more thing to remember, the patton at t10 is also called the fatton (cuz it's big boned obviously). Arty at t10 is a pain but arty at t8 is even more of a pain, as it fires faster, and you ocasionally meet the wonderful M44/Hummel/Gw panther.

They will have a field day shooting at these. :)


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