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Is WG-rating inferior to WN8?


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PayMore #1 Posted 06 July 2019 - 01:59 PM

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I see alot of clans recruiting posts use wn8 as a requirement instead of WG-rating. Why is that? To me WG is very competent, and has alot knowledge as they dont rebuff tanks before they have collected stats for several years, just like with the IS4 and E-100 etc. How cant someelse do it better than them? 

 

I allso wonder why klans use wn8 as that is the fundament for XVM! which is lothed by clanplayers that get targeted etc by arty etc



7thSyndicate #2 Posted 06 July 2019 - 02:27 PM

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View PostPayMore, on 06 July 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

To me WG is very competent

 

Right..

Both ratings suck. Players will never accept wg rating, wn8 is just toxic and promove selfish gameplay. But between both, recent wn8 is ok i guess.



Homer_J #3 Posted 06 July 2019 - 02:40 PM

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They are both pretty terrible but clans like WN8 because they think it's better because WG don't produce it.  They completely ignore the fact that it's a fudge which tries to get around the fact that WG just don't have certain data historically.



LordMuffin #4 Posted 06 July 2019 - 02:41 PM

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WG rating and wn8 correlates very well with each other.
Personally I think WG rating is superior because it isn't easily padded.

TheDrownedApe #5 Posted 06 July 2019 - 02:45 PM

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Bois I'm disappointed, 3 posts and not one mention of Rush Rating.

 

On topic, no one really cares anymore and most clans will look at recent stats, and mainly tank specific damage. This kinda correlates to WN8, but damage is difficult to pad.


Edited by TheDrownedApe, 06 July 2019 - 02:47 PM.


Bordhaw #6 Posted 06 July 2019 - 02:53 PM

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View PostPayMore, on 06 July 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

I allso wonder why klans use wn8 as that is the fundament for XVM! which is lothed by clanplayers that get targeted etc by arty etc

 

Fake news



Tigerfish_Torpedo #7 Posted 06 July 2019 - 03:34 PM

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Why choose between them? Why not embrace both together? 

 

When I get one of those all too familiar streaks of losses, and my WG rating plummets, my wn8 can still rise - which reflects more the contribution of the player to the game. WG's rating is far too reliant on victories to be any true measure of player ability. That said, wn8 can be padded as per previous comments. Therefore use both. 



Negativvv #8 Posted 06 July 2019 - 03:56 PM

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Mix both in with a bit of WR too? 

Sowa_95 #9 Posted 06 July 2019 - 03:57 PM

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PR formula takes into account number of battles. Let that sink in.

 

It's often inaccurate. I've seen many 7-8k rating bots.


Edited by Sowa_95, 06 July 2019 - 03:58 PM.


dd_keky #10 Posted 06 July 2019 - 04:13 PM

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XVM is just number.

But i would rather have 1 guy with 2k+ WN then 5 guys with 600-800. just sayin

HassenderZerhacker #11 Posted 06 July 2019 - 05:54 PM

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View Postdd_keky, on 06 July 2019 - 04:13 PM, said:

XVM is just number.

 

nope.

it's a mod.



AXIS_OF_RESISTANCE #12 Posted 06 July 2019 - 06:11 PM

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BB8 is the only relevant skill metric .

Spoiler

 



Bulldog_Drummond #13 Posted 06 July 2019 - 06:27 PM

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A while back I played my KV220 heavily for a month or two and picked up a 65% win rate and blue WN8 rating.  The sole purpose of doing so (apart from the tank being great fun) was to patronise posters in the forum who equate what they are pleased to see as game skills with intelligence.  If so minded I dare say that I could manufacture WN8 again but I can't be bothered.

I was in a game last week with an ex-Dinger (a purple boy) who was streaming and sat at base all game sniping.  He got a few thousand damage but we lost heavily and my main thought was that he was a complete plonker.



Zoltan1251 #14 Posted 06 July 2019 - 06:43 PM

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well i like to play light tanks..... WN8 is therefore pure garbage for me.... i have 700wn8 but thousands of spotting some games.... wg rating is bit better in my opinion

LordMuffin #15 Posted 06 July 2019 - 07:12 PM

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Wn8 is just a number.

Suurpolskija #16 Posted 07 July 2019 - 11:13 AM

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Both are metrics that give a hint of player skill. Neither of them is perfect. There's also 3rd metric: Win%. I guess a combination of these 3 with skeptical eye on the tanks on which they have been acquired is most comprehensive view on player skill one can get without actually watching replays. 

HassenderZerhacker #17 Posted 07 July 2019 - 03:24 PM

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View PostBulldog_Drummond, on 06 July 2019 - 06:27 PM, said:

A while back I played my KV220 heavily for a month or two and picked up a 65% win rate and blue WN8 rating.  The sole purpose of doing so (apart from the tank being great fun) was to patronise posters in the forum who equate what they are pleased to see as game skills with intelligence.  If so minded I dare say that I could manufacture WN8 again but I can't be bothered.

I was in a game last week with an ex-Dinger (a purple boy) who was streaming and sat at base all game sniping.  He got a few thousand damage but we lost heavily and my main thought was that he was a complete plonker.

 

WN8 padders have other priorities:

1- maintain WN8

2- (optional) winning

 

 



Jauhesammutin #18 Posted 08 July 2019 - 10:22 AM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 06 July 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

WG rating and wn8 correlates very well with each other.
Personally I think WG rating is superior because it isn't easily padded.

Coming from a guy who has played 50k games...

 

I did a quick PR calculation for you and me. I assumed all of our battles were after patch 8,8, both ran full premium time and our spotting and tracking were equally distributed.

 

My calculated PR for you was 9355 +(117) and 10302 (-50) for me. So I got pretty close with those assumptions.

With these calculations in mind, if you had played only half of what you've played (25k) with the exact same stats, your PR would be 210 lower. If I could play a total of 50k games my PR would be 340 higher. 

 

This gets even more ridiculous with only few thousand battles. At 1k games your PR would be ~6100 and at 10k ~8700.

 

Simply just playing the game you could have thousands of higher PR than equally skilled player. If that isn't paddable what is?



SuperOlsson #19 Posted 08 July 2019 - 10:38 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 07 July 2019 - 03:24 PM, said:

 

WN8 padders have other priorities:

1- maintain WN8

2- (optional) winning

 

 

 

Strangely enough WN8 correlates better with winratio than WG rating does. WN8 also correlates with winratio better than  WN9 does, which is why it was scrapped, you can read all about it on the math section on wotlabs forum.



facmanpob #20 Posted 08 July 2019 - 12:04 PM

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I thought WN69 was the new gold standard metric?




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