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kral1907 #1 Posted 08 July 2019 - 10:55 AM

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when will defender go on sale ? any guess or information ?

BlackBloodBandit #2 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:17 AM

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hopefully never again, but knowing WG....

r00barb #3 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:19 AM

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Soon™

 

I suspect it'll pop up at some point during the Summer Sales but I wouldn't be surprised if it's held back to the end of the sale. It's a popular tank whenever it's sold, selling it early on might mean people not buying other tanks.



Karasu_Hidesuke #4 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:58 AM

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Well it's popped up now and then (as it's been powercrept enough but the hype still lives on) so I assume it will happen when WG feels strapped for cash. Still rarer than the Skorpion G being up for sale but then.. what isn't?

 

I use mine for mid map sniping (when the rare occasion comes that I actually bother to log in any more) :harp:



Tonza_the_baboon #5 Posted 08 July 2019 - 04:31 PM

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View PostKarasu_Hidesuke, on 08 July 2019 - 10:58 AM, said:

Well it's popped up now and then (as it's been powercrept enough but the hype still lives on) so I assume it will happen when WG feels strapped for cash. Still rarer than the Skorpion G being up for sale but then.. what isn't?

 

I use mine for mid map sniping (when the rare occasion comes that I actually bother to log in any more) :harp:

 

Sniping with Defender / obj 252fu :facepalm: :teethhappy:
So thats how you get 863 dmg per game with it...

Defender is not power creeped at all, it is still strongest tier 8 heavy there is!

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Mimos_A #6 Posted 08 July 2019 - 05:05 PM

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View PostKarasu_Hidesuke, on 08 July 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

Well it's popped up now and then (as it's been powercrept enough but the hype still lives on) so I assume it will happen when WG feels strapped for cash. Still rarer than the Skorpion G being up for sale but then.. what isn't?

 

I use mine for mid map sniping (when the rare occasion comes that I actually bother to log in any more) :harp:

 

Yeah, for a tier 9 tank it is indeed a bit on the weak side.



VonniVidiVici #7 Posted 08 July 2019 - 05:09 PM

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View PostTonza11, on 08 July 2019 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

Sniping with Defender / obj 252fu :facepalm: :teethhappy:

 

With accuracy being as meaningful in WoT as it is, may as well if there's nothing better to do.

psychobear #8 Posted 08 July 2019 - 05:10 PM

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View PostTonza11, on 08 July 2019 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

Defender is [...] still strongest tier 8 heavy there is!
 

 

No it's not.

The gun on it is pure trash, and it's fabled armor only holds up against utter morons. Any half competent player will have no problem at all dealing with this overhyped piece of crap. But hey, it's trendy to complain about it being OP, so... yeah.



VonniVidiVici #9 Posted 08 July 2019 - 05:15 PM

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View Postpsychobear, on 08 July 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

 

No it's not.

The gun on it is pure trash, and it's fabled armor only holds up against utter morons. Any half competent player will have no problem at all dealing with this overhyped piece of crap. But hey, it's trendy to complain about it being OP, so... yeah.

 

 Inb4 a WG employee finds himself on the EU forums after a night of heavy drinking, sees this post, and rushes to the drawing board. :izmena:

7thSyndicate #10 Posted 08 July 2019 - 05:41 PM

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View Postpsychobear, on 08 July 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

 

No it's not.

The gun on it is pure trash, and it's fabled armor only holds up against utter morons. Any half competent player will have no problem at all dealing with this overhyped piece of crap. But hey, it's trendy to complain about it being OP, so... yeah.

 

So please let us know what´s the best t8 ht ... im curious

psychobear #11 Posted 08 July 2019 - 05:58 PM

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View Post7thSyndicate, on 08 July 2019 - 06:41 PM, said:

 

So please let us know what´s the best t8 ht ... im curious

 

I honestly don't know, i guess it heavily depends on player preference. I don't play tier 8 heavies nowadays, becouse of the brilliant +2MM. Yeah, i know, it's been fixed, but still... it hasn't. I can take +2MM if i am in a tank that has decent speed and/or a decent gun, but fighting +2 tier battles in a heavy tank is downright retarded, no matter how you look at it.

Anyways, if i was to play (premium) tier 8 heavies, i'd rather stick to my trusty T34, which at least sports decent pen values and doesn't feel completely useless while shooting at tier 10 tanks (it also has a 5+ skill crew tho, so that's that). Or the Lowe, for that matter, although i royally suck in it. The Defender, tho... i don't know, i got it in the X-mas boxes, tried to play a few games in it and... i just don't like it, be it in randoms or in Frontline as well. Maybe it's me and not the tank, who knows, but i just can't understand all the hype. To me, it feels like a shitty tank. But hey, that's just me.


Edited by psychobear, 08 July 2019 - 06:01 PM.


r00barb #12 Posted 08 July 2019 - 06:28 PM

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View Postpsychobear, on 08 July 2019 - 04:58 PM, said:

But hey, that's just me.

 

It's not just you, I've been saying as much since I got one when it was introduced (hype fail on my part) but that wasn't long after Fochgate and pitchforks were still being waved so I was roundly ignored or told, "you're only saying that because you have one and you don't want it nerfed". Most under-whelming premium tank I've bought.



Bordhaw #13 Posted 08 July 2019 - 07:20 PM

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 08 July 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

hopefully never again, but knowing WG....

 

Most players who want one now have one. That;s why it's never mentioned anymore. 

 



Bulldog_Drummond #14 Posted 08 July 2019 - 07:38 PM

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I got one as a present in the Christmas boxes, and it's fun to play occasionally, but I agree with psychobear that its reputation seems a lot higher than its capability.  It's not that hard to kill.

Dorander #15 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:09 PM

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View Postpsychobear, on 08 July 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

 

No it's not.

The gun on it is pure trash, and it's fabled armor only holds up against utter morons. Any half competent player will have no problem at all dealing with this overhyped piece of crap. But hey, it's trendy to complain about it being OP, so... yeah.

 

Nobody ever complained that the tank is invulnerable, people complain that compared to player average winrates, it's hugely overperforming.

Negativvv #16 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:13 PM

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It's a fairly slow tank and the gun is derpy too.

However the alpha is high and the armour vs lower tiers is utterly insane. It's functionally invincible from the front vs T6.

I have one but I don't really like it. Speed and gun accuracy are life...

XxKuzkina_MatxX #17 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:17 PM

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View PostDorander, on 09 July 2019 - 02:09 AM, said:

Nobody ever complained that the tank is invulnerable, people complain that compared to player average winrates, it's hugely overperforming.

 

So are the Cromwell B and the IS-6 but you don't hear much about those for example so it's just trend complaining about the defender. It's the new overperformer!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 08 July 2019 - 11:20 PM.


Negativvv #18 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:24 PM

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Defender always gets the most OP cry flak as it's armour makes it feel unfair to play VS.


Despite stuff like Progetto being extremely strong Prem tanks, there is not as many complaints from the community. Likewise with something like the AMX 13 57.

VonniVidiVici #19 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:29 PM

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View PostNegativvv, on 08 July 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

Defender always gets the most OP cry flak as it's armour makes it feel unfair to play VS.


Despite stuff like Progetto being extremely strong Prem tanks, there is not as many complaints from the community. Likewise with something like the AMX 13 57.

 

People who get rushed by a Progetto or 13 57 can usually get a shot of damage in while it's unloading, and the whole thing is over quickly. People who get rushed by a Defender can usually get several shots in but don't do any damage while the Defender takes its sweet time taking apart their tank. The longer duration of the experience inspires an extra degree of saltiness.

 

Or maybe I'm just talking out of my butt. I like the theory though.



Bulldog_Drummond #20 Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:38 PM

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View PostVonniVidiVici, on 08 July 2019 - 10:29 PM, said:

 

People who get rushed by a Progetto or 13 57 can usually get a shot of damage in while it's unloading, and the whole thing is over quickly. People who get rushed by a Defender can usually get several shots in but don't do any damage while the Defender takes its sweet time taking apart their tank. The longer duration of the experience inspires an extra degree of saltiness.

 

Or maybe I'm just talking out of my butt. I like the theory though.

 

There is much in what you say.  Back in the days when we could communicate with the opposition the worst abuse I got was always from the poor saps who couldn't pen me.  Those olden day games in the PzKw IIJ hosing down most of the enemy team were hilarious.

 

These days the LEF reminds me of those New Guinea cannibals who strap a captive to a tree alive and cut off strips of flesh every mealtime so it stays fresh.  People don't like the LEF either.

 


Edited by Bulldog_Drummond, 08 July 2019 - 11:40 PM.





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