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Actinid #1 Posted 10 July 2019 - 11:12 AM

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Hi,

 

You  can drop here you feedback and suggestions concerning the new British light tanks.

 

Thanks in advance and have a nice day !



grizly1973 #2 Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:06 AM

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Each and every one of them is underpowered. there's absolutely no reason to play any of them.

KanonenVogel19 #3 Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:12 AM

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In my opinion, the tier 10 is underpowered (the other tiers might aswell, but didn't try them yet). The tier 10 needs either much better camo in order to make it a real dedicated scout that is actually good at its job. The EBR has both speed and yet better camo. So in my opinion, the British tier 10 LT should have better camo than the EBR. Also, it should get more ammo, 16 rounds is way too little. The other approach is to buff its gun, but I don't like that approach, because then you turn LTs into small MTs. We need more diversive classes, not classes that play in the same way.



Lisel_czolgista #4 Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:19 AM

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Imo UK LTs should have some kind of ''British perks'', such as stabilisation. Increase amount of ammunition, make them more agile and quickly accelerating, increase stabilisation and decrease accuracy, or increase accuracy and aim time, and leave the stabilisation as it is. Should be fine then. If you put em as they are rn, Tier 10 will be just like the RHM, which is very basic and too bad compared to tanks like LT or Sheridan, as they have distinctive traits, though RHM and UK LTs dont have em. Decent camouflage isnt enough, as a lot of maps require either active gameplay or armour/alpha with stabilization. 

Hokum15 #5 Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:36 AM

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I love how the tier 7 stock has worse DPM than a tier 1 tank. That will make the tank mega "fun" to play. Also elite it has the lowest potential damage and lowest dpm in tier. The view range isn't great neither is the camo rating.

 

 

Also Rolls Royse?! Engine...

 

Also also, Why do the British lights lack HESH? The main round used by the Scorpion was HESH, the tier 10 has less pen than the M41 90 with HE.... The Tier 10 also has half the potential damage of ANY tier 10 light. 


Edited by Hokum15, 12 July 2019 - 10:45 AM.


badabum #6 Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:45 AM

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The ELC Even 90 had 2 crew members in real life, but WoT made a balance decision to give it a crew of 3.  

 

The same should be done for the Manticore, especially since it's a tier 10.



leggasiini #7 Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:48 AM

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By far the worst branch ever introduced to the game. Tier 7, 9 and 10 are all uncontested worst tanks to ever exist in their tiers, and tier 8, while a bit better than others, still competes for that title (only reason why it isn't the obvious no. 1 worst tank is because some of the worst tier 8s are beyond atrocious). Manticore is so bad that Type 5 Heavy on it's release day feels like a pre-ner Bobject in comparison. You could downtier these tanks and they would still suck badly...Oh wait, the tier 9 is literally an marginal improvement over already terrible tier 8 and it's a whole tier higher. You could legit downtier the tier 9 with literally zero changes and it would likely still be one of the worst tanks in it's tier.

 

With that, the fact the line is missing tier 2-6 as well as missing all the iconic tanks that are the very reason why people have asked British LT for years, such as Tetrarch on British tech tree, Harry Hopkins, FV101 series, FV301 and so on. Combine that with all the terrible stats of these tanks and several bugs (like that "Rolls Royse" engine), you have the most rushed and unfinished line ever introduced. 

 

The line is such a massive mess of nonsense. It's so bad that honestly they should probably just cancel the line and completely rework them. You can clearly tell that these vehicles weren't even playtested.


Edited by leggasiini, 12 July 2019 - 10:49 AM.


Hokum15 #8 Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:58 AM

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View Postleggasiini, on 12 July 2019 - 09:48 AM, said:

Oh wait, the tier 9 is literally an marginal improvement over already terrible tier 8 and it's a whole tier higher. You could legit downtier the tier 9 with literally zero changes and it would likely still be one of the worst tanks in it's tier.

 

Tier 9 vs GF...

 

Just seen this...

https://www.twitch.t...tLionSquadGoals

 


Edited by Hokum15, 12 July 2019 - 11:04 AM.


SlyMeerkat #9 Posted 12 July 2019 - 11:08 AM

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Nice little addition to the game

GrapefruitSalad #10 Posted 12 July 2019 - 11:10 AM

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View PostHokum15, on 12 July 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

Tier 9 vs GF...

 

Just seen this...

https://www.twitch.t...tLionSquadGoals

 

 

but but but... the gun elevation

iKnewIT #11 Posted 12 July 2019 - 11:17 AM

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16 (!!!!!!) shells x 390 HP for tier X tank?

Really?

When:

1. AMX 13 105 has 33 shells,

2. EBR 105 has 36 shells,

3. WZ-132-1 has 40 shells and

4. Sheridan with 105mm gun has 42 shells

with the same alpha damage?

Are You mad?

 

And the same situation is with all these new four light tanks.

Potential average damage:

Tier 7 - 4725 HP

Tier 8 - 5750 HP

Tier 9 - 6000 HP

Tier 10 - 6290 HP.....

If they would be without guns at all it would be even better, I think... ;)

Even mine ELC EVEN 90 can carry 45 units of 90mm shells somehow.....

 

Besides if there will be only two crew members in Manticore, it would be very bad because of:

1. You will need at least 6-7 full perks to achieve the same state of crew as it would have been for 3 members with 5 perks;

2. There would be many situations in the world of HE when both Your crew members will be hit and Your almost full HP vehicle will stop and You won't be able to heal Your crew....


Edited by iKnewIT, 12 July 2019 - 11:50 AM.


TheDark_Messiah #12 Posted 12 July 2019 - 11:38 AM

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the worst branch ever..

PlymArgyle1982 #13 Posted 12 July 2019 - 11:38 AM

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Quite simply (IMHO), these are the worst tanks that WG have ever introduced to the game (well, test server, anyway).

 

I can't even give you detailed feedback on which aspects are good/bad, as EVERY aspect of them is horrific. If released in anyway close to how they are now on the test server, they will be an utter disaster. The most problematic part of it though, is that they are obviously a total disaster. How have they got this far down the pipeline in this state? They are so bad that they are entering the realm of 'incompetence' on WG's part. There is not a single reason to play them. There is nothing 'special' or 'unique' about them other than how bad they are. They bring nothing to the game, other than targets to shoot at that can't shoot back because they ran out of ammo after the first 5 minutes of the battle starting....



Simeon85 #14 Posted 12 July 2019 - 12:03 PM

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View PostPlymArgyle1982, on 12 July 2019 - 08:38 PM, said:

Quite simply (IMHO), these are the worst tanks that WG have ever introduced to the game (well, test server, anyway).

 

I can't even give you detailed feedback on which aspects are good/bad, as EVERY aspect of them is horrific. If released in anyway close to how they are now on the test server, they will be an utter disaster. The most problematic part of it though, is that they are obviously a total disaster. How have they got this far down the pipeline in this state? They are so bad that they are entering the realm of 'incompetence' on WG's part. There is not a single reason to play them. There is nothing 'special' or 'unique' about them other than how bad they are. They bring nothing to the game, other than targets to shoot at that can't shoot back because they ran out of ammo after the first 5 minutes of the battle starting....

 

I think this sums it all up pretty nicely.

 

If I worked at WG, I would frankly be embarrassed these tanks got anywhere near public eyes in such a clearly poor state.

 

You don't even need to play these tanks to know they are bad, just compare them to their same tier light competitors (hardly a strong bunch of tanks themselves) and you'll see these new British lights are, aside from penetration, pretty much considerably worse than all of them in nearly every aspect.

 

You can't balance a tank with 1-2 good features (camo and pen) and then every feature (DPM, gun handling, speed, agility, ammo count, gun elevation, view range etc.) being basically bad to terrible. 

 

AND WHY ARE YOU BALANCING TANKS WITH LOW AMMO COUNT? That is such a dumb idea and you know its a dumb idea because almost every tank that previously had inadequate ammo counts has had that buffed. 

 

I cannot think of anything more frustrating than losing a game, not because you got outplayed, not because you made a mistake, but because you ran out of shells. 

 

Completely dumb decision. 

 

This whole line is rushed and untested, but it baffles me how you cannot see that even without testing these tanks would be terrible? 1.7k DPM on tier 10 tank? What are you smoking? 



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View PostKanonenVogel19, on 12 July 2019 - 10:12 AM, said:

Also, it should get more ammo, 16 rounds is way too little.

 

What's even more funny is as I understand the actual prototype or whatever of what is referred to as the Manticore in-game was to have 20 Rounds, not 16.

Spoiler

 


Edited by Desyatnik_Pansy, 12 July 2019 - 12:22 PM.


HaLlak65 #16 Posted 12 July 2019 - 01:24 PM

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They need more:

- camo: at least 20% more

- ammo: at least 100% more

- viewrange at least 20m more

- better HE pen at least 120mm for T10

 

In this form, they are terrible. Worst then the german lights. Make them superior passive spotters. The T100 so much better except the viewrange.



baratoz1701 #17 Posted 12 July 2019 - 01:26 PM

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That summary of design..... driver is also loader...... basically the tank can never fire unless parked up and driver gets into position to load? ouch

 

Anywayz - these tanks are a complete disaster. I could forgive some aspects of these tanks if other's were better. For example, the tier 8 has very good pen for a light tank, but bad dpm/ammo capacity. Even if the terrible dpm stayed the same, at least increase the ammo count.

 

Manticore has lower potential damage of every light by ....... 5k?? 

GSOR, if u disregard some other tech tree stock guns, it's potential damage is lower by 3.5k

LHMTV, same again, lower by 2k, less than HALF of hwk 12, another small tank

setter, still bottom, but not by much

 

Even the camo on these tank's isnt that amazing, nor their mobility, nor view range. 

 

The russian forums actually agree that these tanks are garbage too lol, it wont matter tho. I suspect WG will give a minor ammo capacity buff in common test 2, and not much else.

 

I was hyped for these, and if wheeled tanks didnt exist they might actually be playable (with a little more ammo), but in general the whole concept is broken. 

 

 



BlackBloodBandit #18 Posted 12 July 2019 - 01:31 PM

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disgusting that these even made is through SuperTest.. Supertesters proof once more to not be the smartest players..

Simeon85 #19 Posted 12 July 2019 - 01:37 PM

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View Postbaratoz1701, on 12 July 2019 - 10:26 PM, said:

That summary of design..... driver is also loader...... basically the tank can never fire unless parked up and driver gets into position to load? ouch

 

As I understand it the real life design essentially had a loader assist type mechanism, which would have made loading shells a lot easier. 

 

But yeh the two crewman design is also a complete fail and another huge negative of the tank. Lights need loads of crew skills, camo, repairs, sixth sense, view range skills, BIA all pretty much essential, but this puts so many skills onto the commander as he is commander, gunner and radio operator, so needs to have about 7-8 skills trained to be fully effective. 



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I Wow just wow, these tanks must be the worst set of tanks in game.

Ammo no where near enough, Dpm is awful .

manticore 2 crew, your having a laugh so will need 7 crews skills to compete with other light tanks crews.

Speed some of these tanks share designs with the scorpion which was the fastest production tank ( why can’t the setter be fast)

Guinness World Record for "Fastest Production Tank" because it reached a speed of 82.23kph (51.10mph)

these tanks need buffing a lot


Edited by TheBigShaker, 12 July 2019 - 01:52 PM.






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