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13thPanzerdiv #1 Posted 10 July 2019 - 10:10 PM

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Can someone make me a detailed and extensive list with all the relevant Tier X tanks, currently actively being used in clan wars.

Explaining why they are good and how they are generally used?

 

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7thSyndicate #2 Posted 10 July 2019 - 10:17 PM

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is that so hard to use google/forum and do a research

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/595998-clan-battles-meta-tanks-2019/

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/602581-meta-tanks/



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i dont play cws, but i think that generally not much has changed - apart from 279s and chieftains replacing bobject and SQ, wz5a and is7s should still have some use as well as far as hts go, maybe on some maps kranvagn can be useful as well. meds - standard russkis as 907 and 140s, tds  - maybe strv 103b on some maps and sometimes some bobjects as well i guess. lts- ebr 105 or t100lt. If im wrong, correct me, but even without playing any cws, its quite obvious which tanks are going to be used in cws. arta - cgc or 261

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View PostMajor_Gitgud, on 10 July 2019 - 10:21 PM, said:

i dont play cws, but i dont think that generally not much has changed - apart from 279s and chieftains replacing bobject and SQ, wz5a and is7s should still have some use as well as far as hts go, maybe on some maps kranvagn can be useful as well. meds - standard russkis as 907 and 140s, tds  - maybe strv 103b on some maps and sometimes some bobjects as well i guess. lts- ebr 105 or t100lt. If im wrong, correct me, but even without playing any cws, its quite obvious which tanks are going to be used in cws. arta - cgc or 261

 

pretty correct

TD are not that common anymore, 'usually' e3 so far seen.

gwe100 is used aswell

50b>kran usually, mostly due to mobility but not too common (things like ruinberg mostly)

t100 is rarely used nowadays tho, ebr is preferred



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is e100/maus still used?

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View Post13thPanzerdiv, on 10 July 2019 - 09:53 PM, said:

is e100/maus still used?

 

Yes by clans with 20% win rate.

 

Heavy Tank: obj. 279

Medium heavy tank: obj. 260

Ridgeline tank: chieftain

Medium tank: object 907

Light tank: EBR and sometimes a t100

TD: Strv

Arty: cgc

 

These are the the top meta picks. 



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In order of most commonly used (from what I've seen): 907, Chieftain, EBR, 260, 279e (since it's still relatively rare), CGC. 

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all rusky tanks

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View PostExclamationMark, on 10 July 2019 - 11:28 PM, said:

In order of most commonly used (from what I've seen): 907, Chieftain, EBR, 260, 279e (since it's still relatively rare), CGC. 

I really like the diversity of balance of these vehicles.



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View PostExclamationMark, on 10 July 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

In order of most commonly used (from what I've seen): 907, Chieftain, EBR, 260, 279e (since it's still relatively rare), CGC. 

 

Plus the occasional strv on a few maps, but otherwise agree with the above 907, T95/Chieftain, EBR, 260, 279e, and CGC.

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I have done something like this last August which was nearly a year ago in this topic: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/682315-meta-what-teir-10-tanks-are-in-the-cw-meta/

So lets see how the meta has shifted since :)

 

Lights

 

AMX 13 105 with the introduction of the EBR 105 it rarely sees usage, it cannot oneclip the EBR unless it highrolls thrice and its speed is also lacking compared to its French counterpart. 1/10

EBR 105 is the go-to light currently, it is the king thanks to its unique speed. Everything else is not that great on this tank, low-ish viewrange, the gun lacks penetration and DPM, even though it has a quite good HE round. 8/10

Rhm. Panzerwagen avoid it. 1/10

T-100 LT used to be the best light a year ago, but now, well, you only pick it if your clan doesnt have EBRs for some reason. It wins 1v1s against EBRs as it has armor and a lot better DPM and HP, but it seems like mobility>everything else when it comes to picking lights. For an only passive scout role you would want to pick this though, if you are sure that you will get into position without being lighted up by EBRs. 2/10

WZ-132-1 is better than the German one for randoms, but it doesnt see CW unless extreme tank locking. 1/10

Sheridan is also better than Rhm. Panzerwagen, and it also doesnt see CW usage. 1/10

 

 

Mediums

 

121 is still a worse 113 and even 113 isnt that great so 1/10

121B used to be an acceptable tank in 2015, than 113 buffs and Object 430U came. 1/10

AMX 30B is a worse...its basically worse than every other hulldown medium right now 1/10

BatChat 25t is still the scout on city maps, but with the introduction of EBR it has lost most of its former shine. I would rate it 3/10 now. 

CAX is not a CW tank and it wasnt ever a CW tank, its only played by certain MEME players in organized gameplay. 1/10

E50M is weak for CWs. 1/10

K-91 could be a thing but than there is Leo1 now or Strv if you dont really need a turret. 1/10

Leo1 actually got buffed and it sees some usage, not that much though. If you want to have a semi-Strv but want to have a turret on it as well as the ability later to push with others and share your HP, well, this tank is for you. But not more than one tank per game, so its still 2/10

M48 Patton with the introduction of the Chieftain there is pretty much no point in picking it if you have a Chieftain avaible as well. 1/10

M60 is pretty much the same as the above. 1/10

Object 140 is a great medium, but you only pick it if your clan doesnt have 907s or if the 907s are frozen. 6/10

Object 430U is something between a heavy and a medium and its great for randoms, not so much for CWs, with the recent 260 buffs. 2/10

Object 907 is the go-to brawler CW medium, enough said, the issue is that its a CW reward tank after all... 9/10

Progetto 65 is also great for randoms, but not for CWs, as its a bit tweaked Bat with smaller clip potential even. 1/10

STB-1 after its buffs its somewhat similar to Leo1, it is sometimes used on open, hulldown maps where you want a bit more mobility than a Chieftain. 2/10

T-22 medium its not really a CW tank anymore, you sometimes needed the backwards sidescraping ability of it but now you have 279e which does the same job better. 1/10

T62-A isnt a bad random tank, but when you have 140 and 907 in the same game... 1/10

T95E6 for Cliff ramp when you want to brawl in the middle, other than that I havent seen it in competitive for a while. 2/10

TVP T50/51 is somewhat commonly picked when you want to cause a bit more serious early damage to enemies early on in the game, other than that, not so much. 3/10

UDES 15/16 the pocket Chieftain, the problem with it is that arty is a thing in competitive and this one doesnt like arties, so it doesnt get picked so that it doesnt get penned by arta. 1/10

 

 

Heavies

 

113 some hipster FCs tend to use it still as it has gun depression, turret armor and DPM over 260 still (I am between those hipster ones, hehe), but generally speaking, 260 took over most of its roles. 4/10

60TP is also a new-ish addition to the game, but it hasnt changed CW meta that much, its a slowish 750 alpha gun with lacking penetration, for city maps VK7201K is better, on open maps you would need a bit more mobility, 1/10

AMX50B has become the autoloader heavy, even on city maps FCs seem to prefer its mobility over T57s HEAT and DPM. I would say 5/10

AMX M 54 avoid it. 1/10

E100 is a worse VK7201K and even VK7201K is only good on closed maps so 1/10

FV215B it has nearly nothing going for it versus a Super Conqueror and if you have an FV you have a SC as well so... 1/10

IS-4 just dont 1/10

IS-7 the introduction of Chieftain has reduced the number of IS-7s in battles as well, even though the Chieftain has a little cupola and is a bit more vulnerable to arty. I would say 3/10.

Kranvagn does get picked on some maps where you need turret armor on your autoloading heavy, but if you dont pen 3 with it, it loses a lot of DPM. 2/10

Maus used to be the king of heavy tanks, than Type5 meta came, than VK meta came and the Maus is not that great anymore, its better than the E100 though I think. 2/10

Object 260 took over WZ5As and 113s roles and it is certainly challanging 277 as well, the only issue again is that its a personal missions reward tank. 8/10

Object 277 offers nearly the same that 260 does, but with 490 alpha instead of 440 and less DPM. If you dont have a 260 and you want a fast heavy tank, I think this is a good choice. 6/10

Object 279(e) wanna push with it? No problem. Wanna hold a flank with a few of these? Its better than everything else for that! Wanna do basically anything? This is the best choice! This tank seriously needs a nerf and we dont see more of them because only 2k players have it right now... If you push 400 meters in the open it gets wrecked though and its slow as well, it only goes with 30 so I give it a solid 9/10

Object705A is a worse VK7201K. 1/10

Pz7 is a worse VK7201K. 1/10

Super Conqueror is your tank if you dont have a Chieftain or if you want to camp. Other than that, pick a Chieftain. 4/10

T110E5 not a CW tank anymore, powercreep and nerfing/buffing issues. It would be just fine in its unnerfed version in todays meta I think. 1/10

T57 Heavy is the autoloading HT with the most DPM and HEAT so it will see usage on closed maps when playing certain tactics, but other than that, not really, its a one-trick pony. 2/10

T95/FV4201 Chieftain has become the go-to hulldown heavy after its introduction half a year ago thanks to its mobility, great turret armor and gun. 8/10

Type 5 Heavy thanks to WG, it got the nerf that it deserved, which has meant that only weaker clans use its HE derp in competitive and they are not competitive anymore with it. Grind a Maus if you really want to get a superheavy and dont have a VK7201K. 1/10

VK7201K is the go-to superheavy now, which means that it gets picked on Ensk, Himmelsdorf and Lakeville. At least you have to aim a bit more with this one than you had to with Type5. I think it is one of the best counters for 279e as it has 750 alpha AND 350 HEAT penetration AND armor against them. But you cant just pick it on every map, unlike...279e! 4/10

WZ5A doesnt see as much usage as it has seen before 260s buff and Chieftains introduction, but if you dont have those and want to get something similar to them, get a 5A. It still has DPM, quite good turret armor, strong mobility, 490 alpha, you cant go that wrong with it. 5/10

 

 

Tank Destroyers

 

Foch 155 avoid it, even though you cant get it with grinding anymore. 1/10

Foch B I have seen it in some tactics but I dont generally like the idea of it, being turretless is an issue and you have 50B which is a lot more flexible in exchange for having 800 less clip potential. 2/10

FV215b (183) is the better of the derp British TDs now but its not a CW tank. 1/10

FV4005 is borderline useless after its nerf in CWs. 1/10

Badger is a great hulldown DPM TD, but E3 has more armor and as such most FCs prefer E3 over it. 2/10

Grille 15 avoid it. 1/10

JagdpanzerE100 actually it would be good it you would only need it for countering 279es with its 420 HEAT, but other than that, no, its not flexible enough. 1/10

Object268 avoid it. 1/10

Object268v4 is still good if you want a tank that has to face enemies only with its front and has to actually push them with speed, but for holding positions or slower pushes, 279e is just better. 2/10

Strv103B is a good DPMer on open maps, there is nothing similar to it in the current tank pool so that it has its unique place between other CW tanks. 4/10

T110E3 is the hulldown TD for closed maps, Type5 nerf has been great to it, it doesnt like getting shot by itself, E4, or any high caliber HE though still. 3/10

T110E4 has a 180-turret, really great penetration with APCR and 750 alpha. It is being used on city maps when you have to cause damage from a bigger distance reliably, especially on Ensk. 3/10

WZ-113G FT just dont grind it. 1/10

 

 

Clickers

 

BC 155 58 is bad and isnt used. On Mines while brawling hill it might be useful to stun enemies three times, but you cant just pick it because you might need to break a camp there and than a BC arty is kinda useless. 1/10

CGC is the king of competitive arties, it can shoot nearly anything when positioned correctly and it hits hard. On open maps without hulldown cover T92 and GW are better though. 5/10

GWE100 is reliably hitting, it has a bit more effective DPM when you dont count with penetrating hits, but its slow. I would say 3/10

Object 261 is the fastest firing of all and it is also hitting its targets, but it just doesnt do enough damage. It could be again useful on Mines or Cliff brawls to stun a lot of tanks but you just cant predict those situations. 1/10

T92 HMC hits harder than a CGC, is more reliable than a CGC, but cannot hit tanks hiding behind some ridges and also has a limited gun arc. 4/10

 

 

 

I rated every tank the same way as I had last time, on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 is that it doesnt see usage in CW, 10 is that its in every CW battle and as such you should grind it. It is subjective though and only supposed to give a general view of what to grind and what not to grind. The main problem is that if I had to name 5 tanks that I would want to have for CWs, I would certainly name 279e, 260, 907, Chieftain between that 5 and these tanks are either CW reward tanks or personal missions reward tanks which the average player cannot grind. I am afraid of CW becoming a playfield of the best: you want to get into a good clan? You need 907 and Chieftain! How to get 907 and Chieftain? By playing in a good clan! To sum it up, I think it is considerably harder to get into CWs as a new player than it was years ago, and this tendency doesnt help to make the gamemode more popular, and the issue is the same with ranked - the best players have the best tanks and get bonds from ranked so that they get the best equipment as well. Tech tree tanks should be at least as good, if not better than their reward counterparts, rewards should be offering a different way of gameplay but shouldnt be simply better in all aspects. But this is a question of game balance and its offtopic so I will finish it here.  

 

 

 


Edited by Legionar_2000, 11 July 2019 - 10:14 AM.


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View Post13thPanzerdiv, on 10 July 2019 - 10:53 PM, said:

is e100/maus still used?

 

Not really. I've only seen absolute potato clans use them this campaign.
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View Post_Honored, on 10 July 2019 - 11:01 PM, said:

 

Yes by clans with 20% win rate.

 

Heavy Tank: obj. 279

Medium heavy tank: obj. 260

Ridgeline tank: chieftain

Medium tank: object 907

Light tank: EBR and sometimes a t100

TD: Strv

Arty: cgc

 

These are the the top meta picks. 

 

Add the 430u and t110e3/t110e4 for some specific tasks on some maps.

Edited by Mimos_A, 11 July 2019 - 10:18 AM.


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View PostLegionar_2000, on 11 July 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:

 

CAX is not a CW tank and it wasnt ever a CW tank, its only played by certain MEME players in organized gameplay. 1/10

 

shishx with his goddam cax again :hiding:

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View PostLegionar_2000, on 11 July 2019 - 09:14 AM, said:

I have done something like this last August which was nearly a year ago in this topic: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/682315-meta-what-teir-10-tanks-are-in-the-cw-meta/

So lets see how the meta has shifted since :)

 

Lights

 

EBR 105 is the go-to light currently, it is the king thanks to its unique speed. Everything else is not that great on this tank, low-ish viewrange, the gun lacks penetration and DPM, even though it has a quite good HE round. 8/10

Mediums

Object 907 is the go-to brawler CW medium, enough said, the issue is that its a CW reward tank after all... 9/10

 

Heavies

Object 260 took over WZ5As and 113s roles and it is certainly challanging 277 as well, the only issue again is that its a personal missions reward tank. 8/10

T95/FV4201 Chieftain has become the go-to hulldown heavy after its introduction half a year ago thanks to its mobility, great turret armor and gun. 8/10

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Clickers

 

I rated every tank the same way as I had last time, on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 is that it doesnt see usage in CW, 10 is that its in every CW battle and as such you should grind it. It is subjective though and only supposed to give a general view of what to grind and what not to grind. The main problem is that if I had to name 5 tanks that I would want to have for CWs, I would certainly name 279e, 260, 907, Chieftain between that 5 and these tanks are either CW reward tanks or personal missions reward tanks which the average player cannot grind. I am afraid of CW becoming a playfield of the best: you want to get into a good clan? You need 907 and Chieftain! How to get 907 and Chieftain? By playing in a good clan! To sum it up, I think it is considerably harder to get into CWs as a new player than it was years ago, and this tendency doesnt help to make the gamemode more popular, and the issue is the same with ranked - the best players have the best tanks and get bonds from ranked so that they get the best equipment as well. Tech tree tanks should be at least as good, if not better than their reward counterparts, rewards should be offering a different way of gameplay but shouldnt be simply better in all aspects. But this is a question of game balance and its offtopic so I will finish it here.  

 

 

This is a very valid point made in a highly constructive post. Prior to the 907 getting it's armour over buffed the 140 and 62A were almost competitive with it. Prior to the introduction of the T95/FV4201 the tank playing that role in CW was the tech tree SConq. Prior to the 279e & 260 buffs the tech tree 5A had a role. WG needs to have tech tree tanks that are meta for clan wars, and not merely reward tanks. EBR seems the only tech tree tank taken in the present campaign.

 

I guess the next campaign which is supposed to be longer might have a low tier start possibly. Tier VI has Type 64 and Cromwell B spam but at least those are purchaseable by all players. Tier VIII has Defender/Object 252U, but even thats occassionally purchaseable. But tier X .....


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View PostMimos_A, on 11 July 2019 - 09:15 AM, said:

Add the 430u and t110e3/t110e4 for some specific tasks on some maps.

Not for higher Level play. For the e3 you use the 279 and for the 430U you use the 260. 430U and E3/4 are bot even close to the meta. 



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Spotters:

EBR

LT100

IS-7 (when you need a tank to take arty shells for 5 min until it dies)

 

Mediums:

907

(some specific tactics might call for TVP, Leo, Bat, CAX)

 

Heavies:

T95/Chieftain

279e

260

(SQ, VKK, 277/WZ5A replace above tanks if those are not available)

 

TDs:

Strv (open map)

E3 (corridors)

 

Arta:

CGC

261

GWE100



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TOG II, the Tog is the only tank you need in this game.

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Its very hard for a non-CW person to get CW viable tanks because the current meta is dominated by CW and reward tanks.

 

IF people are looking to get tanks that will get them picked in clans, especially games at tier 10 for campaigns, then they are probably best focusing on the two PM reward tanks, Obj. 260 and 279e.

 

Outside of that be good at a tier 10 arty like the CGC or the EBR 105, those are probably the two most commonly used tech tree tanks outside the hordes of 907s, T95/FV4201s, 260s, 279es.

 

Other options are the WZ-1115A and the Obj. 277 which are often taken in exchange for the 260s and the odd map see some Strv 103Bs. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 11 July 2019 - 03:07 PM, said:

Its very hard for a non-CW person to get CW viable tanks because the current meta is dominated by CW and reward tanks.

 

IF people are looking to get tanks that will get them picked in clans, especially games at tier 10 for campaigns, then they are probably best focusing on the two PM reward tanks, Obj. 260 and 279e.

 

Outside of that be good at a tier 10 arty like the CGC or the EBR 105, those are probably the two most commonly used tech tree tanks outside the hordes of 907s, T95/FV4201s, 260s, 279es.

 

Other options are the WZ-1115A and the Obj. 277 which are often taken in exchange for the 260s and the odd map see some Strv 103Bs. 

 

It's not so bad. I'm currently in 6611th position without having any CW tank. That includes missing a day and having one day where we screwed up everything we possibly could. In a new-ish clan with loads of inexperienced members. You get a very long way with a STRV, 140, S.Conq and 277 and some good strats.

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