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Simeon85 #21 Posted 12 July 2019 - 08:40 AM

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-14 gun depression is pretty special, you can work some weird positions with that.

 

I'd presume as well the side gun depression will be -8 now. 



Jauhesammutin #22 Posted 12 July 2019 - 09:05 AM

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View PostVonniVidiVici, on 11 July 2019 - 06:48 PM, said:

 

I was referring to gun damage values being linked to calibers. All STB needed was a gun handling buff and maybe some more turret armour, not this nonsense.

 

WG's way of doing things. Instead of buffing the tank bit by bit along multiple patches they wait just wait for years and then unleash an overhaul which changes the tank completely.

It's not like I grinded the STB-1 back in 2014 because I wanted the highest DPM 105mm tier 10 medium. No, I grinded it so that in 2019 I could have a clunky siege mode tank with pew pew gun.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 11 July 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

Or he's poking the wrong place. :girl:

 

That's what she said :hiding:

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 12 July 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

 

WG's way of doing things. Instead of buffing the tank bit by bit along multiple patches they wait just wait for years and then unleash an overhaul which changes the tank completely.

It's not like I grinded the STB-1 back in 2014 because I wanted the highest DPM 105mm tier 10 medium. No, I grinded it so that in 2019 I could have  the highest dpm 105mm tier 10 medium with now best depression in the game, reliable turret armor and a funky siege mode with perma-track capability gun,

FTFY



Jauhesammutin #25 Posted 12 July 2019 - 12:28 PM

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View Postchainreact0r, on 12 July 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

FTFY

 

I guess the siege mode works a bit better now as the base gun dep is better and it stays until 30 kph.

I don't count it as a 105mm medium if it does 360 alpha. It's more of a hybrid between 100mm and 105mm.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 11 July 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

Or he's poking the wrong place. :girl:

 

Sure but this is the test server and my point was to find the worst possible place to show off just how much gun depression it can get with the suspension.

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 12 July 2019 - 12:28 PM, said:

 

I guess the siege mode works a bit better now as the base gun dep is better and it stays until 30 kph.

I don't count it as a 105mm medium if it does 360 alpha. It's more of a hybrid between 100mm and 105mm.

 

The current siege mode is indeed a bit wonky due to the combination of forward/backward acceleration and the low threshold at which the mode changes.

However, 360 alpha is arguably the best alpha in the game, since it's high enough to destroy any track with one shot, and the meager 30 alpha difference between it and 390 alpha guns is not noticeable enough to make it that bad trading 1-1 against said guns

360 alpha with almost 4k dpm when fully pimpled out is outstanding btw.

A ridgeline monster who can permatrack is a pretty nice niche. We had to pay with the sniping ability and shell velocity, but i personally feel it was worth it.



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View Postchainreact0r, on 12 July 2019 - 01:45 PM, said:

 

The current siege mode is indeed a bit wonky due to the combination of forward/backward acceleration and the low threshold at which the mode changes.

However, 360 alpha is arguably the best alpha in the game, since it's high enough to destroy any track with one shot, and the meager 30 alpha difference between it and 390 alpha guns is not noticeable enough to make it that bad trading 1-1 against said guns

360 alpha with almost 4k dpm when fully pimpled out is outstanding btw.

A ridgeline monster who can permatrack is a pretty nice niche. We had to pay with the sniping ability and shell velocity, but i personally feel it was worth it.

 

I agree. It's definitely and upgrade. The turnoff for me is the siege mode. I'm not used to playing like that. Having to pull down the mouse when trying to aim lower and waiting for the tank to lower itself. I haven't tested it out yet on the test server.

 

I just don't like how WG balances tanks around different alpha. I understand that it's a good way to balance tanks. Give high dpm but low alpha so you can't trade. Or slower DPM but high alpha so you can snipe. But once every tank gets balanced out with alpha then the game gets all messy.



Nishi_Kinuyo #29 Posted 12 July 2019 - 04:52 PM

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View Postchainreact0r, on 12 July 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

View PostJauhesammutin, on 12 July 2019 - 12:28 PM, said:

 

I guess the siege mode works a bit better now as the base gun dep is better and it stays until 30 kph.

I don't count it as a 105mm medium if it does 360 alpha. It's more of a hybrid between 100mm and 105mm.

However, 360 alpha is arguably the best alpha in the game, since it's high enough to destroy any track with one shot

Doesn't work like that.

The STB-1 has only 150 module damage.

Which is exactly the same as the M48A5 Fatton.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 12 July 2019 - 03:52 PM, said:

Doesn't work like that.

The STB-1 has only 150 module damage.

Which is exactly the same as the M48A5 Fatton.

 

Tracks don't take 'module' damage, right? They take the damage from the 'normal' damage?

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Any reason to play this over the swede? 

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View PostJauhesammutin, on 12 July 2019 - 10:56 PM, said:

 

Tracks don't take 'module' damage, right? They take the damage from the 'normal' damage?

Eh, right, I suppose that tracks don't follow the normal rules for module damage by virtue of acting as spaced armour. :/

View PostAHNHEM, on 13 July 2019 - 08:21 AM, said:

Any reason to play this over the swede? 

Other than the (vastly) better DPM, gun depression, gun handling, agility and viewrange and less angle-dependent armour?

I suppose that it looks more bae?

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View PostHundeWurst, on 11 July 2019 - 08:24 PM, said:

Does that solve anything? the suspention is so clunky that the only thing this should be good at - ridgelinepoking - is near impossible.

 

 

Well, yes. Now you won't struggle with gun elevation and have decent (-8 degrees) gun depression even when not using the suspension (which means - you have -8 degrees to the sides too). So you don't have to rely on clunky suspension in most situations - you play it the same way as every other tier 10 medium with good gun depression.

Hydro-pneumatic suspension now acts as a "bonus" - how it supposed to be from the start.



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View PostValkyrionX, on 11 July 2019 - 10:46 PM, said:

 

exactly , and sometimes in more rare cases it also happens to be penetrated, this tank needs some love too, I got tired of seeing only SConq and Chieftain around 

 

 I'm still waiting for the Chieftain to be added, not some daft US/UK 

blueprint hybrid



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View PostAHNHEM, on 13 July 2019 - 07:21 AM, said:

Any reason to play this over the swede? 

 

STB-1 offers a bit of a different flavor, but I'd say that udes is overall better.

Udes doesn't take as much damage from arty as STB does, turret is tougher to penetrate, it can actually side scrape, base camo is quite a bit better (don't quote me on this). It's not as if udes is flat out better, it's just that it pros outweigh the cons. 



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View PostAHNHEM, on 13 July 2019 - 08:21 AM, said:

Any reason to play this over the swede? 

 

Yeah , much better gun now. The alpha is perfect for the dpm it has. Something like 5.3-5.4s reload with improved equipment, dispersions vastly improved and a low turret profile. While not impervious to dmg like UDES, it will eat through anything coming its way fast enough that the enemy won't feel comfortable waiting for the perfect aimed shot to the turret. 

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View PostAHNHEM, on 13 July 2019 - 08:21 AM, said:

Any reason to play this over the swede? 

 

Because you already have it researched. At least that's why i prefer it, i have one and i don't have the other.

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Next buff, realizing shell cost is the same as on 390 dmg one from before, and reducing it by the same amount...




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