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UntouchableRo #1 Posted 13 July 2019 - 07:54 AM

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What can you do as a bottom tier in such a great team? almost nothing! There are days where you are on one side and there are that other days where you are on the loosing bot team again and again, and it's so fustrating! A sugestion would be to add the wn8 or wot rating in the MM equation!

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duijm #2 Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:03 AM

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Well in that case you would not win more than 49% of your games. Skill would be useless.

Bigtime_Alarm #3 Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:21 AM

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View Postduijm, on 13 July 2019 - 08:03 AM, said:

Well in that case you would not win more than 49% of your games. Skill would be useless.

 

And your point is?

UntouchableRo #4 Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:25 AM

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"We are aware that entering a battle and seeing that your team looks weaker than the enemy team or that you are in the bottom tiers of the battle can be discouraging, but please note that this is not the only factor affecting the outcome of a battle, as tactics and teamplay can often overcome single player skill."

 

bla bla, the usual copy paste from suport, great... teamplay? got rammed/blocked/ pushed in front of the enemy/ even shot by my own red bot teammates, Tactics? all in a bush sniping and that is a very best scenario!



kaneloon #5 Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:25 AM

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Now to play lower tiers is masochism, their MM correction is BS.

I was in a clan platoon yesterday, in 10 × tiers 6-7 battles we were 90% low tiers, 10% mid tiers.

At least in tiers 9 and 10 you feel that you are in control.



spamhamstar #6 Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:55 AM

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Looking at the screenshot, if you ignore everything xvm has added, this turns out to have been a pretty well balanced battle with a 9-15 final result.

 

Introducing a skill based mm is one of the most suggested things on this forum so it is probably worth using the search function to find out why this suggestion is always shot down & hasn't been introduced.



Lagalaza #7 Posted 13 July 2019 - 08:56 AM

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If you platoon, you will get more lower tier/same tier battles. At least I would think so. Generally there are 3-5 top tier tanks, more lower and mid per battle. Therefore, more chance of the MM putting three players of the same tier in as the lower tier, especially if they are all in the same class of tanks. That seems like general logic to me or am I missing something?


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r00barb #8 Posted 13 July 2019 - 09:38 AM

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View PostUntouchableRo, on 13 July 2019 - 07:25 AM, said:

"We are aware that entering a battle and seeing that your team looks weaker than the enemy team or that you are in the bottom tiers of the battle can be discouraging, but please note that this is not the only factor affecting the outcome of a battle, as tactics and teamplay can often overcome single player skill."

 

bla bla, the usual copy paste from suport, great... teamplay? got rammed/blocked/ pushed in front of the enemy/ even shot by my own red bot teammates, Tactics? all in a bush sniping and that is a very best scenario!

 

You raised a Support ticket? :amazed:

 

No wonder Support has to send automated responses when they have to deal with a queue full of dumb non-issues like this.



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #9 Posted 13 July 2019 - 09:44 AM

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Introducing a skill based mm is one of the most suggested things on this forum so it is probably worth using the search function to find out why this suggestion is always shot down & hasn't been introduced.

 

It would pile all the "never miss unicums" together into one big heap and they would get bored botting each other

 

WoT use an approach which maximises profit by diluting the cheaters into the system

 

If you have a million botters and you ban them or put them on the same matchmaking system you will lose most of them and lose a pile of cash

 

If you dilute them into the the system you can ban 200 a week and make money from 999,800 of them

 

Meanwhile the rest of the playerbase suck on it

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Then there's the bobject issue with Matchmaking

 

A player only has to look at the opening teams to see where some games are going to go

Three bobjects on one team

None or one on the other team

plus various other stupid stuff



ThinGun #10 Posted 13 July 2019 - 09:56 AM

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What a great opportunity to spam some gold and pad your WN8.

 

Oh yeah ... you only care about winning.

 

 



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #11 Posted 13 July 2019 - 10:05 AM

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WoT are way ahead of the curve and excel at juggling multiple balls in the air

 

Frontline for only one week each month means randoms won't die

Frontline actually makes randoms more tolerable because the single tier matchmaking lowers playerbase frustration



Bordhaw #12 Posted 13 July 2019 - 10:32 AM

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View PostUntouchableRo, on 13 July 2019 - 06:54 AM, said:

Some games are just lost before they begin

 



duijm #13 Posted 13 July 2019 - 11:41 AM

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View PostBigtime_Alarm, on 13 July 2019 - 07:21 AM, said:

 

And your point is?

 

That he is complaining about losing games again and again.  With Skill Based MM he would lose even more 49% instead of 52%.   So that is my point. 

Edited by duijm, 13 July 2019 - 11:41 AM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #14 Posted 13 July 2019 - 11:45 AM

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View PostUntouchableRo, on 13 July 2019 - 07:54 AM, said:

What can you do as a bottom tier in such a great team? almost nothing! There are days where you are on one side and there are that other days where you are on the loosing bot team again and again, and it's so fustrating! A sugestion would be to add the wn8 or wot rating in the MM equation!

 

Your problem is you look at the teamlists and you've decided you can do nothing and have already given up before the countdown has even finished. I look at my teamlists and all I'm doing is deciding how many of the enemies top tier tanks I'm going to kill.

 

When you play to lose you will lose. When you play to win you'll turn some of those losses into wins.

 

 

View PostIf_I_Die_You_Die_Too, on 13 July 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

A player only has to look at the opening teams to see where some games are going to go

 

I quite believe you can predict that as any team you are participating in is already at a distinct disadvantage,



4nt #15 Posted 13 July 2019 - 11:53 AM

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Woop woop. Another Weekend thread, where people unable to cope with their inadequacy and the nature of random go ape with conspiracies. OP, that is one game sample. You do not come here with those games where your team was on the other side of that result screen, which in your gamecount is already The same as these matchups. So if you cannot handle it, I'm sure your pops can help you to uninstall.

Geoffrey_Ironfist #16 Posted 13 July 2019 - 12:02 PM

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But most battles are lost right after they begin!

Xandania #17 Posted 13 July 2019 - 12:26 PM

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View Postr00barb, on 13 July 2019 - 08:38 AM, said:

 

You raised a Support ticket? :amazed:

 

No wonder Support has to send automated responses when they have to deal with a queue full of dumb non-issues like this.

 

Hmm - I recently asked Support who to contact if we want to give qpranger the title of forum mascot and I got an answer within a few minutes...

Might just be some obscenety filter that just puts those poor guys and gals in support out of harms way ^^

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View PostGeoffrey_Ironfist, on 13 July 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

But most battles are lost right after they begin!

 

It would be really hard to lose them before :P  - although a telephone call has caused things like that to happen as well

malachi6 #18 Posted 13 July 2019 - 12:44 PM

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Appealing for changes to help you win is an appeal to bias fallacy.  Your appeal does nothing to consider which side of the proposition people are on.  Consider your proposal is incorporated and you now discover that when top tier you lose more due to the changes introduced.  A fresh proposition would have to be developed again, to meet your bias.  Look up Rawls theory of justice to better understand what I am saying.



Robbie_T #19 Posted 13 July 2019 - 01:50 PM

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Dont play in the weekend

I was so dumb to play last night .......



Bigtime_Alarm #20 Posted 13 July 2019 - 01:55 PM

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View Postduijm, on 13 July 2019 - 11:41 AM, said:

 

That he is complaining about losing games again and again.  With Skill Based MM he would lose even more 49% instead of 52%.   So that is my point. 

 

Look up sarcasm






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