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splash_time #1 Posted 13 July 2019 - 11:24 AM

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Hi there.

I'm wondering what auto loader medium to get first, I'm interested in tvp t 50/51, because of it's fast reload/intra clip.

So i need your opinions if you got any of the autoloaders gang.

And mention your reason and why you choosed it.


Edited by splash_time, 13 July 2019 - 11:26 AM.


If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #2 Posted 13 July 2019 - 11:29 AM

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Mobility is crucial to your survival if you are an autoloader

 

The alternative is to hide behind your team mates and rely on their gameplay



4nt #3 Posted 13 July 2019 - 11:36 AM

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Chi-ri.

No really. It is pretty much a must to learn paper autoloaders, esp If you like The looks of tvp line. From what I've heard, tvps are a blessing after chiri, but it will teach a lot about fast clipping autoloaders. Additionally it is at t7, making it cheaper teacher than either bc or tvp.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #4 Posted 13 July 2019 - 11:56 AM

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I see you have Batchat 25tAP and you aren't doing so well in that so until you can figure out where you're falling down with that one you probly won't get on with tier 10 BC either. You might get on better with faster reloaders but TVP line is not great until you hit tier 9.

 

If reload management is something you struggle with then you might want to consider Italians. You have the auto-reloader system from tier 8 with the Pantera and that makes a good vehicle for Frontlines as well. Standard-B at tier 9 is a great tank and I've not tried the tier 10 but it's apparently good.



XxKuzkina_MatxX #5 Posted 13 July 2019 - 12:06 PM

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Progetto 65, it isn't a traditional autoloader but that's a plus in my opinion. Autoloaders tend to pay dearly for the clip potential, the tier 9 and 10 italians have decent overall stats so that's my reasoning. Still no armor though but you can do a lot of useful stuff.

 

It's a fun tank to play with excellent gun and mobility. If you find the tier 8 somehow annoying, use FL to grind it.



r00barb #6 Posted 13 July 2019 - 12:10 PM

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Skoda T 25, added bonus of being a tank you'll have to play anyway on your way to the TVP. It's fast (in a straight line), has decent gun handling and the three-shot auto-loader is good fun, the clip reload isn't too long, it's a great introduction to auto-loaders. Being mid-tier also means you won't be over-whelmed facing tier 8 and 9 as you would with the Chi-Ri or Italian options.

 

We won't talk about the TVP VTU that you'll also have to play on your way to the 50/51. Most of us try to block memories of that tank.

 

 

 

Edit to add, downside of the T 25 is that the crew layout doesn't match the higher tier mediums. That means you can't use it for training crews before moving them up unless you want to pay 200 gold to retrain the radio operator. It's the only downside I find in the tank.


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splash_time #7 Posted 13 July 2019 - 12:33 PM

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View PostNUKLEAR_SLUG, on 13 July 2019 - 11:56 AM, said:

I see you have Batchat 25tAP and you aren't doing so well in that so until you can figure out where you're falling down with that one you probly won't get on with tier 10 BC either. You might get on better with faster reloaders but TVP line is not great until you hit tier 9.

 

If reload management is something you struggle with then you might want to consider Italians. You have the auto-reloader system from tier 8 with the Pantera and that makes a good vehicle for Frontlines as well. Standard-B at tier 9 is a great tank and I've not tried the tier 10 but it's apparently good.

The b c was my first autoloader med, i sold it long time ago, because i started it's line when i was new player and i was fighting like an e3 with it. :D

But my main reason to sell it was the long reload as you said.



Nishi_Kinuyo #8 Posted 13 July 2019 - 01:02 PM

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View Post4nt, on 13 July 2019 - 11:36 AM, said:

Chi-ri.

No really. It is pretty much a must to learn paper autoloaders, esp If you like The looks of tvp line. From what I've heard, tvps are a blessing after chiri, but it will teach a lot about fast clipping autoloaders. Additionally it is at t7, making it cheaper teacher than either bc or tvp.

And besides, Chi-Ri looks bae. :girl:

Spoiler

But seriously, it is a fun tank to play imo.



Xandania #9 Posted 13 July 2019 - 01:05 PM

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I'd say the french light line (non-wheeled) is pretty good to learn regular autolaoding med aka batchat-playstyle. At the latest at tier 8 you will have a light that plays so much like a BatChat that you only notice the difference in damage per shot and camo ^^

BlackBloodBandit #10 Posted 13 July 2019 - 01:30 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 13 July 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

Progetto 65, it isn't a traditional autoloader but that's a plus in my opinion. Autoloaders tend to pay dearly for the clip potential, the tier 9 and 10 italians have decent overall stats so that's my reasoning. Still no armor though but you can do a lot of useful stuff.

 

It's a fun tank to play with excellent gun and mobility. If you find the tier 8 somehow annoying, use FL to grind it.

Progetto 65 is not very forgiving. It has the worst damage per minute of all tier 10 mediums. Dpm you can only use if you know how to work with it and get the best out of it. If not, you'll be nothing but a burden for your team at that tier.


Edited by BlackBloodBandit, 13 July 2019 - 01:30 PM.


arthurwellsley #11 Posted 13 July 2019 - 01:31 PM

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Czech tier VI Skoda T 25, is a very nice little tank in it's tier. The tier VII afterwards is awkward, while the tier VIII depsite it's reputation for being Defender/Object 252U kryptonite is in fact less than stellar as a tank and a grind.

 

The Swedish tier VI Strv 74 is also OK.

 

The tier VII Japanese Type 5 Chi-Ri is too large and poorly armoured to be decent. Against lower tier tanks it is a completely bully, but against higher and many same tier tanks it's huge size and extremely poor penetration make it only fit for enthusiasts.



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 13 July 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

The Swedish tier VI Strv 74 is also OK.

 

That's not an auto-loader, only the premium tier VI has that.



XxKuzkina_MatxX #13 Posted 13 July 2019 - 01:45 PM

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 13 July 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:

Progetto 65 is not very forgiving. It has the worst damage per minute of all tier 10 mediums. Dpm you can only use if you know how to work with it and get the best out of it. If not, you'll be nothing but a burden for your team at that tier.

 

Where did i say it's a forgiving tank to play? in fact i said that it has no armor but the whole package works well enough because it doesn't lose too much in other departments like other autoloaders. It's a strong tier 10 medium and the DPM means very little when you have a flexible auto reloader. The ability to manage the reload and the number of shells you're going to fire vs. what you have in the clip and the enemy's HP makes it not only fun to play but also effective as you can see in its win rate curve...

 

Progetto 65 win rate

 

That's a very respectable performance from a tier 10 medium and i don't why you needed to quote me with this before checking some facts first!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 13 July 2019 - 01:47 PM.


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TVP or Progetto.

 

Progetto is a good grind almost all the way thourgh. TVP has some really trash tier 7 and 8. Dont go for batchat, its not very meta friendly.



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View PostIf_I_Die_You_Die_Too, on 13 July 2019 - 10:29 AM, said:

 rely on their gameplay

 



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Any Russian medium, they have a fixed reload of 5.5s. :rolleyes:



BlackBloodBandit #17 Posted 14 July 2019 - 10:25 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 13 July 2019 - 01:45 PM, said:

Where did i say it's a forgiving tank to play? in fact i said that it has no armor but the whole package works well enough because it doesn't lose too much in other departments like other autoloaders. It's a strong tier 10 medium and the DPM means very little when you have a flexible auto reloader. The ability to manage the reload and the number of shells you're going to fire vs. what you have in the clip and the enemy's HP makes it not only fun to play but also effective as you can see in its win rate curve...

 

Progetto 65 win rate

 

That's a very respectable performance from a tier 10 medium and i don't why you needed to quote me with this before checking some facts first!

"the whole package works well enough" this suggest it for me, though you don't exactly say it in the words I did. I never said you mentioned it in those exact words.

 

Those stats don't mean much as good players get good results in it and worse players will still perform worse, because they don't know how to use a tank with bad dpm. Average dpm is no problem, but lower dpm will make an impact for sure.



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Problem is that most autoloader trees don't get good until Tier 8 (ITA) or even Tier 9 (CZ) with massive Free-XP sink vehicles deliberately badly balanced before that.

 

The French tree is quite good but all their tanks are still balanced to WoT circa 2013, so they can be a bit potato in the gun department and suffer from low DPM/Ammo count for no good reason what-so-ever in 2019 WoT.

 

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XxKuzkina_MatxX #19 Posted 14 July 2019 - 11:04 AM

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View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 14 July 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

"the whole package works well enough" this suggest it for me, though you don't exactly say it in the words I did. I never said you mentioned it in those exact words.

 

So you were replying to something i haven't wrote yet? Starting from 49%, this tank is as forgiving as the 430U.

 

430U win rate

 

View PostBlackBloodBandit, on 14 July 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

Those stats don't mean much as good players get good results in it and worse players will still perform worse, because they don't know how to use a tank with bad dpm. Average dpm is no problem, but lower dpm will make an impact for sure.

 

Those stats mean that the tank is performing according to the player's overall win rate starting from 49% and starts to give an advantage above that. The same 49% player will get around 46.5% in the 140, the TVP, the BC and in the leopard, all of them have better DPM. Which makes it the 2nd best performer among tier 10 mediums despite the meaningless DPM. Autoloaders and auto reloaders are a class of their own, their DPM means very little as they depend on the clip potential to influence the battle.


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 14 July 2019 - 11:08 AM.





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