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k0k31n #1 Posted 17 July 2019 - 03:00 PM

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I got shot at in my arty 3 times by a tank while not spotted. I was in a position where nobody would blindfire and was not spotted. The only explanation would be that somehow the other guy saw my tracers, but idk if they are visible enough for him to pinpoint my exact location?

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Benistown_GagsoisbisteDD #2 Posted 17 July 2019 - 03:03 PM

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Its possible to see enemy arty tracers when firing

Dr_Blackshark #3 Posted 17 July 2019 - 03:08 PM

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Actually, every tank's tracer is visible. The reason why it applies more to arties is taht they fire HE which is way slower thus easier to see.

To my mind, It's complete bullsht....You can't see the 60t vehicle that shoots, but you can see the 150mm round...........



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View PostDr_Blackshark, on 17 July 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

Actually, every tank's tracer is visible. The reason why it applies more to arties is taht they fire HE which is way slower thus easier to see.

To my mind, It's complete bullsht....You can't see the 60t vehicle that shoots, but you can see the 150mm round...........

 

Nope. Only arty tracers can be seen while the tank is unspotted. Other tank tracers can be seen just after the tank got litten up.

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You can see arty tracers, though not easy from the same level (a lot easier but still not easy from arty's above view for counter battery), sound more likely that you might have knocked something down or something. 

Dorander #6 Posted 17 July 2019 - 03:50 PM

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Alternatively they used the direction indicator and simply blindfired you.

If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #7 Posted 17 July 2019 - 04:07 PM

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View PostDorander, on 17 July 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

Alternatively they used the [hit] direction indicator and simply blindfired you.

 

Yup

I use it a lot

 

...and if there's no ricochet... you got him


Edited by If_I_Die_You_Die_Too, 17 July 2019 - 04:16 PM.


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You can see (arty) tracers when there is an enemy tank within view range, even if the tank shooting itself is not spotted.

 

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View Postk0k31n, on 17 July 2019 - 03:00 PM, said:

I can upload a replay if anyone wants to see

 

A replay tends to clear up a lot of questions, doesn't it. Just add it from the start

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View Postdan_dix, on 17 July 2019 - 04:22 PM, said:

 

A replay tends to clear up a lot of questions, doesn't it. Just add it from the start

http://wotreplays.eu...bbey-k0k31n-m44

I get shot at 6:18 2 times in the track and 1 shot misses me. Keep in mind I have sixth sense, its just that I was not spotted the whole game.

 



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I've one similar, and it's just too strange, as I was blinded twice by the same tank, when there's a shitload of trees between us and the 6th sense never went off.

 

Here's the replay: http://wotreplays.eu/site/4962598#malinovka-spurtung-m53_m55

 

Sadly, my only conclusion was that good old tundra removed all that shrubbery and he could see the shots coming out.



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View Postk0k31n, on 17 July 2019 - 04:39 PM, said:

http://wotreplays.eu...bbey-k0k31n-m44

I get shot at 6:18 2 times in the track and 1 shot misses me. Keep in mind I have sixth sense, its just that I was not spotted the whole game.

 

 

You took two blind shots at the camping bushes in their base just before the VK shot you. Why is it so hard to believe that he blind-shot you in return? Someone on his team could have pinged your square based on the hit marker and/or he saw your tracer. Whichever it was, it had to be blind as you were sat out with no cover and he only hit your track. If it wasn't blind, he'd have hit your M44 properly.

 

View PostSpurtung, on 17 July 2019 - 05:01 PM, said:

I've one similar, and it's just too strange, as I was blinded twice by the same tank, when there's a shitload of trees between us and the 6th sense never went off.

 

Here's the replay: http://wotreplays.eu/site/4962598#malinovka-spurtung-m53_m55

 

Sadly, my only conclusion was that good old tundra removed all that shrubbery and he could see the shots coming out.

 

That one's genuinely odd. You fire your last shot at 11:12, the Leopard PTA doesn't shoot you until 10:47. He might have been firing at one of the tanks ahead of you that were spotted, missed and noticed that his shell didn't kick up dirt but even I think that's grasping for a solution. Thing is, even if he was using Tundra it's 25s between your last shot and his first and I don't see how he'd have been aiming for that long when he also had to move up from his previously spotted position and get into cover so that he wasn't spotted on firing at you.

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View PostSpurtung, on 17 July 2019 - 05:01 PM, said:

I've one similar, and it's just too strange, as I was blinded twice by the same tank, when there's a shitload of trees between us and the 6th sense never went off.

 

Here's the replay: http://wotreplays.eu/site/4962598#malinovka-spurtung-m53_m55

 

Sadly, my only conclusion was that good old tundra removed all that shrubbery and he could see the shots coming out.

 

This replay is worth watching merely for the hissy fit the AMX1390 throws when he yoloes into an early death.

 

That said I have no idea how he managed to shoot you, especially since he appears to be at 600m which means you're outside his draw range. Best guess he overshot somebody else twice and as a complete fluke you happened to be in the exact position to get hit by the shells instead. There are no objects for you to break, I don't know enough about Tundra to know if it could've revealed your position by shell tracer when somebody's out of render range for a tank, irrespective of what it does to bushes.



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View PostDorander, on 17 July 2019 - 07:51 PM, said:

 

This replay is worth watching merely for the hissy fit the AMX1390 throws when he yoloes into an early death.

 

That said I have no idea how he managed to shoot you, especially since he appears to be at 600m which means you're outside his draw range. Best guess he overshot somebody else twice and as a complete fluke you happened to be in the exact position to get hit by the shells instead. There are no objects for you to break, I don't know enough about Tundra to know if it could've revealed your position by shell tracer when somebody's out of render range for a tank, irrespective of what it does to bushes.

Normal tanks see spg rounds when they enter render range and FOV. It's curious thing tho, IIRC redball was all rage in the minds of botting arty players few years back, but did it also show on ordinary tank view? Never have seen a screenie about that, only from topdown.

 

If he weren't beyond render range I'd hazard a guess he spanked most probable arty position, but I don't think dirt plumes are visible beyond 500.



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View Post4nt, on 17 July 2019 - 08:37 PM, said:

Normal tanks see spg rounds when they enter render range and FOV. It's curious thing tho, IIRC redball was all rage in the minds of botting arty players few years back, but did it also show on ordinary tank view? Never have seen a screenie about that, only from topdown.

 

If he weren't beyond render range I'd hazard a guess he spanked most probable arty position, but I don't think dirt plumes are visible beyond 500.

 

It wasn't a very obvious arty position truth be told, Spurtung was behind the leftmost bush of a pair (from his perspective) which was furthest from the red line.

 

There is a cheat mod that draws a semi-spherical marker where an unrendered tank is, but it does require that tank to be spotted if I recall correctly. However he didn't appear to be spotted, unless his crew didn't have Sixth Sense. I don't think that mod can render that marker on an arty shell tracer but I am not familiar enough with it to be sure.



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View PostDorander, on 17 July 2019 - 10:15 PM, said:

 

It wasn't a very obvious arty position truth be told, Spurtung was behind the leftmost bush of a pair (from his perspective) which was furthest from the red line.

 

There is a cheat mod that draws a semi-spherical marker where an unrendered tank is, but it does require that tank to be spotted if I recall correctly. However he didn't appear to be spotted, unless his crew didn't have Sixth Sense. I don't think that mod can render that marker on an arty shell tracer but I am not familiar enough with it to be sure.

I stand corrected then.



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View Postr00barb, on 17 July 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

That one's genuinely odd. You fire your last shot at 11:12, the Leopard PTA doesn't shoot you until 10:47. He might have been firing at one of the tanks ahead of you that were spotted, missed and noticed that his shell didn't kick up dirt but even I think that's grasping for a solution. Thing is, even if he was using Tundra it's 25s between your last shot and his first and I don't see how he'd have been aiming for that long when he also had to move up from his previously spotted position and get into cover so that he wasn't spotted on firing at you.

 

Well, I've messaged him trying to find an answer.

I mean, all good if it's just a matter of missing someone else, but it's just incredibly strange because even in that case, his gun would have to be aiming much higher than any spotted tank, as there's nobody even close to my position. Those shots would have to land in front of me, at best.

And there's absolutely no way he could see the terrain with all those trees and bushes in between without any tool to remove them. Plus, it's two sequential shots.

 

 

 

View PostDorander, on 17 July 2019 - 06:51 PM, said:

This replay is worth watching merely for the hissy fit the AMX1390 throws when he yoloes into an early death.

 

That said I have no idea how he managed to shoot you, especially since he appears to be at 600m which means you're outside his draw range. Best guess he overshot somebody else twice and as a complete fluke you happened to be in the exact position to get hit by the shells instead. There are no objects for you to break, I don't know enough about Tundra to know if it could've revealed your position by shell tracer when somebody's out of render range for a tank, irrespective of what it does to bushes.

 

My biggest problem is the "twice". One lucky shot happens, but two...


Edited by Spurtung, 18 July 2019 - 12:34 AM.


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View Post4nt, on 17 July 2019 - 08:37 PM, said:

guess he spanked most probable arty position

 

It's not a probable spot, and not for two shots.



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View PostSpurtung, on 17 July 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

It's not a probable spot, and not for two shots.

Yea that was what dorander said too, I guess I have to take it by your words. I might be a little paranoid on that map, but as I said it looks little strange since IMO the dirt plume miss confirmation doesn't show outside render radii. Hope the fellow answers to you in sane manner.



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View Postk0k31n, on 17 July 2019 - 02:00 PM, said:

I got shot at in my arty 3 times by a tank while not spotted. I was in a position where nobody would blindfire and was not spotted. The only explanation would be that somehow the other guy saw my tracers, but idk if they are visible enough for him to pinpoint my exact location?

I can upload a replay if anyone wants to see

 

I say it, most likely he was cheating.. there you go on the other hand he might of just got lucky (if it was just one shot :unsure:) but it wasnt just one shot so odds are, he was cheating..

Edited by Tealo, 18 July 2019 - 12:19 AM.





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