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NoHit_Tanker #1 Posted 17 July 2019 - 08:56 PM

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http://exposingwot.com/blog/2019/06/30/wargaming-mods-contain-hacks-and-exploits-and-wargaming-allows-it/

SuNo_TeSLa #2 Posted 17 July 2019 - 08:59 PM

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Subpar player whining about cheats, how fresh, perhaps focus on playing better instead?

Rataplan #3 Posted 17 July 2019 - 09:02 PM

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Serves you right for using mods, just play vanilla on an equal playing field.

And yes, I read the article, and no, I don't care that those mods are available in the wg mod center.


Edited by Rataplan, 17 July 2019 - 09:03 PM.


NekoPuffer_PPP #4 Posted 17 July 2019 - 09:02 PM

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Ah, here we go again...



Dorander #5 Posted 17 July 2019 - 09:09 PM

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Wargaming isn't responsible for third party software. The entire message is just one big "Don't download mods from unknown sites" whine with some anti-Wargaming rage thrown in.

 

Incidentally that entire site is hilarious, these are people who are so obsessed with this game, they use any opportunity to rant and rage about it because the greatest evil they've identified in the world, for whose destruction they'll spare no energy or effort, is not some actual relevant problem to real life societies but a game developer.



onderschepper #6 Posted 17 July 2019 - 09:27 PM

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The Weekend has started early again. :popcorn:



Nishi_Kinuyo #7 Posted 17 July 2019 - 10:21 PM

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And those mods, are they on wgmods.net or on non-sanctioned mod sites?

Because I suspect the latter, in which case it is entirely the player's fault for allowing such things to infect his PC.

 

Oh and btw, that article? It mentions wgmods not even once.



4nt #8 Posted 17 July 2019 - 10:26 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 17 July 2019 - 10:21 PM, said:

And those mods, are they on wgmods.net or on non-sanctioned mod sites?

Because I suspect the latter, in which case it is entirely the player's fault for allowing such things to infect his PC.

 

Oh and btw, that article? It mentions wgmods not even once.

Hey come on, why are you attempting to draw logic and good form into this? We all should go REEEEEEEEEEEEE even as I write this.



Dorander #9 Posted 17 July 2019 - 10:40 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 17 July 2019 - 09:21 PM, said:

 

Oh and btw, that article? It mentions wgmods not even once.

 

It does, actually, but I can't fault you for overlooking it. It mentions it briefly in the "question they are just asking" in the introduction, then you get the explanation of these mods, the people who make them, the questionable files involved and of course an informative list of third party sites that host these questionable files, which COULD have been a decent informative article if they'd stopped there.

 

They then leap to the conclusion that these files are also in the modpacks on the official site, without specifying which modpacks they are and which files, asserting that statement without any actual evidence while all their actual evidence, came from a third party source and third party sites. It's just an offhand conclusion thrown in at the end, that is assumed to be true so the site has something to blame Wargaming for, because that's what that site does. The claim that these files are on the official mod portal becomes even more questionable when you realize the evidence presented involves an example of a mod which is classed as a cheat, by an author that they state writes a lot of cheats, who hosts a site that other authors of cheats also use for data traffic. None of these cheats are on the official portal, because they are cheats.

 

So which files? It's never stated, probably because they don't know.



Nishi_Kinuyo #10 Posted 17 July 2019 - 11:01 PM

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View PostDorander, on 17 July 2019 - 10:40 PM, said:

It does, actually, but I can't fault you for overlooking it. It mentions it briefly in the "question they are just asking" in the introduction, then you get the explanation of these mods, the people who make them, the questionable files involved and of course an informative list of third party sites that host these questionable files, which COULD have been a decent informative article if they'd stopped there.

Sorry, must've missed that bit.

Anyhow, the main issue with wgmods.net is that they accept modfiles that are obfuscated using programs like PjOrion.

Which means that WG cannot decompile those mods to see if there's anything wrong with the code.

And while several programs exist to deobfuscate code, they don't work with the current mods.

 

So that presents a slightly different reason for why some mods are bad.

And a solution to that would be to simply not allow mods with obfuscated code.

 

Still, I doubt it is a big issue on wgmods.net since there shouldn't¹ be any cheat mods on there.

¹Shouldn't rather than aren't since I can't check every individual mod, and WG's staff should disqualify any mod with cheats in it.

Simplest solution of all, however, would be for people to stop using mods that they cannot check themselves to be bad or not.

E.g. anything with lines of code that are or aren't hidden.

Or in other words: only allow cosmetic mods.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 17 July 2019 - 11:02 PM.


Dorander #11 Posted 17 July 2019 - 11:54 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 17 July 2019 - 10:01 PM, said:

 

Or in other words: only allow cosmetic mods.

 

That wouldn't necessarily fix the problem when, for example, mods come with an installer for the cosmetic files. Such an installer could just as easily add scripts with obfuscated code as you describe. Heck a nefarious programmer could instruct people to copy the script files manually with the claim they were needed for the skins to function and masses of people would just do it.



If_I_Die_You_Die_Too #12 Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:45 AM

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WG could secure their client but they choose not to

 

Bitcoin did it from day one, try tweaking your bitcoin client and see how far you get lol

 

There's more money in allowing hacks and mods than excluding them and thats just the way it is



Spurtung #13 Posted 18 July 2019 - 02:38 AM

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View PostSuNo_TeSLa, on 17 July 2019 - 07:59 PM, said:

Subpar player whining about cheats, how fresh, perhaps focus on playing better instead?

 

Try reading the link before jumping into wrong conclusions.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #14 Posted 18 July 2019 - 03:24 AM

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View PostSome useless website,  said:

World of Tanks from day one has had a small, limited cast of programmers that make the mods for the game. There are also, however, many distributors of these different mods that make “packs” and re-distribute them. So odds are good that depending on where you get the mod any number of people could have opened, modified, added hacks, ddos, trojans or anything else to it and then passed it on to you the unsuspecting end user.

 

About the only relevant point on that entire self-interested whinefest of a site. 

 

Yes, it's true. In a shocking development that came as absolutely no surprise to anyone with a half functioning brain, downloading and installing software on your machine from random websites and not directly from the author turns out to be 'A bad idea.™'.

 

If you are going to use mods then get them a from a properly curated source or the authors own direct link and even then you accept the associated risks. You do anything other than that and you're entirely to blame for whatever happens.

 

 






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