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[kuszi1994]

This tank looks really good but its still way out of the meta.. object 430u or any medium will eat him alive :/

[wsatnutter]

passes by

[undutchable80]

I am on the Tier 5 and going on holiday in a couple of weeks, so I will see how far I get. Aiming to reach the T8.

[kaneloon]

Strangely the Type 61 is still the one I prefer in this line.

[Profesor_Baltazar]

I simply don't agree with equipment on these tanks, I prefer coated optics on any tank with good view range and STB-1 has 400m!

[SlyMeerkat]

Starting now of which i am at Tier IV with

Edited by SlyMeerkat, 01 August 2019 - 08:58 AM.

[MeNoobTank]

I am at T6 and I quite enjoy it. I already have STA-2 so I know what to expect from the high tiers. I hope that I can reach atleast T8 in time.

[Simona2k]

Nice

[TungstenHitman]

Nah. I see no logical reason to want or grind the STB-1. Here's why, with some of the other T10 med tanks I either have or have available to purchase right now it just doesn't offer anything and is arguably inferior 

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/stb-1?t=leopard-1%7Eprogetto-65%7Eobj-430u

 

It's significantly down on speed with only 50kph compared to the Leo and Progetto's 70kph and 65kph. This heavium sort of speed is justified better with the 430U which has very strong armor by comparison. 

 

It's gun is playing second best to all of them. 360 alpha isn't tragic, better than some but still not up there with plenty of others. The leo hits for 420 alpha and the 430U hits for 440 alpha, so you're not trading well shot for shot and it's DPM isn't mind blowingly superior as to make 2 shots for 1 shot it just isn't and you're probable going to eat a second shot while loading your 3rd etc. It's the same alpha as the Progetto but in truth the Progetto is going to have 4 shells on tap if it needs to turn up the heat so offers way more potency. Also, while the STB has excellent soft stats, both the Leo and Progetto have tighter dispersion if forced to shoot ranged shots fully aimed along with having railgun shell velocity the STB simply hasn't. It's also down on pen compared to the Leo and Progetto.

 

Also the price of ammo for the STB is around 30% more than the Progetto for the exact same alpha and even costs more than the 430U which hits for 440 alpha. It's only really about the same price as the Leo which is typically expensive German ammo but at least for that you're getting 420 alpha, 1500 shell velocity and 280 pen, none of which the STB can match or better. So... it really doesn't offer me anything the other tanks I have or can buy can't do or do better than it. If I want to brawl and have armor I play the 430U and hit harder if I want to snipe and plink cupolas and lower plates I play the Leo and if I want to mix it up and zip around the map and have burst damage potential and flex to do about anything I play the Progetto. For me, this tank doesn't make any sense, a bit like the AMX 30B. Good, but why. 

 

[Ciki_el_Tigre]

TungstenHitman, on 01 August 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

Nah. I see no logical reason to want or grind the STB-1. Here's why, with some of the other T10 med tanks I either have or have available to purchase right now it just doesn't offer anything and is arguably inferior 

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/stb-1?t=leopard-1%7Eprogetto-65%7Eobj-430u

 

It's significantly down on speed with only 50kph compared to the Leo and Progetto's 70kph and 65kph. This heavium sort of speed is justified better with the 430U which has very strong armor by comparison. 

 

It's gun is playing second best to all of them. 360 alpha isn't tragic, better than some but still not up there with plenty of others. The leo hits for 420 alpha and the 430U hits for 440 alpha, so you're not trading well shot for shot and it's DPM isn't mind blowingly superior as to make 2 shots for 1 shot it just isn't and you're probable going to eat a second shot while loading your 3rd etc. It's the same alpha as the Progetto but in truth the Progetto is going to have 4 shells on tap if it needs to turn up the heat so offers way more potency. Also, while the STB has excellent soft stats, both the Leo and Progetto have tighter dispersion if forced to shoot ranged shots fully aimed along with having railgun shell velocity the STB simply hasn't. It's also down on pen compared to the Leo and Progetto.

 

Also the price of ammo for the STB is around 30% more than the Progetto for the exact same alpha and even costs more than the 430U which hits for 440 alpha. It's only really about the same price as the Leo which is typically expensive German ammo but at least for that you're getting 420 alpha, 1500 shell velocity and 280 pen, none of which the STB can match or better. So... it really doesn't offer me anything the other tanks I have or can buy can't do or do better than it. If I want to brawl and have armor I play the 430U and hit harder if I want to snipe and plink cupolas and lower plates I play the Leo and if I want to mix it up and zip around the map and have burst damage potential and flex to do about anything I play the Progetto. For me, this tank doesn't make any sense, a bit like the AMX 30B. Good, but why. 

 

 

You have done a very good analysis of the current situation and why this tank is not what it should be!

 

Once upon the time, STB-1 was PERFECT. Then, on scene went "developers" and RUIN all!

After few LONG years, "developers", who DON`T even play WoT, nerf pen from 390 to 360... Shell velocity... Max speed to 50 km/h... And call that "BUFFS".

Edited by Ciki_el_Tigre, 01 August 2019 - 10:58 AM.

[_HakunaMatata_]

Rip off!!

[Kusur]

Chi-nu - okish medium
Chi-ri - nice tank with autoloader gun, just a bit slow for my taste and its huge
Sta1- good after recent changes
Type61- i liked it very well, overall great tank
Stb1- will see how it will preform if it get these depresion buffs in 1.6 but for now its okish

[TijgernootTank]

I like this title better then ;  stb1 is up for the taking -- i always found that bit nonsense title for tank of month , like u only have to log in and get the tank in garage .

 

[Gruff_]

I've played less than 40 games on various Japanese tier1-4 tanks when they came out but then rebelled against them because of the OI OHO etc op derp effect on the game.  Is there any medium down this line that is a well rounded / favourite tier for anyone?

[Badz360]

TungstenHitman, on 01 August 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

Nah. I see no logical reason to want or grind the STB-1. Here's why, with some of the other T10 med tanks I either have or have available to purchase right now it just doesn't offer anything and is arguably inferior 

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/stb-1?t=leopard-1%7Eprogetto-65%7Eobj-430u

 

It's significantly down on speed with only 50kph compared to the Leo and Progetto's 70kph and 65kph. This heavium sort of speed is justified better with the 430U which has very strong armor by comparison. 

 

It's gun is playing second best to all of them. 360 alpha isn't tragic, better than some but still not up there with plenty of others. The leo hits for 420 alpha and the 430U hits for 440 alpha, so you're not trading well shot for shot and it's DPM isn't mind blowingly superior as to make 2 shots for 1 shot it just isn't and you're probable going to eat a second shot while loading your 3rd etc. It's the same alpha as the Progetto but in truth the Progetto is going to have 4 shells on tap if it needs to turn up the heat so offers way more potency. Also, while the STB has excellent soft stats, both the Leo and Progetto have tighter dispersion if forced to shoot ranged shots fully aimed along with having railgun shell velocity the STB simply hasn't. It's also down on pen compared to the Leo and Progetto.

 

Also the price of ammo for the STB is around 30% more than the Progetto for the exact same alpha and even costs more than the 430U which hits for 440 alpha. It's only really about the same price as the Leo which is typically expensive German ammo but at least for that you're getting 420 alpha, 1500 shell velocity and 280 pen, none of which the STB can match or better. So... it really doesn't offer me anything the other tanks I have or can buy can't do or do better than it. If I want to brawl and have armor I play the 430U and hit harder if I want to snipe and plink cupolas and lower plates I play the Leo and if I want to mix it up and zip around the map and have burst damage potential and flex to do about anything I play the Progetto. For me, this tank doesn't make any sense, a bit like the AMX 30B. Good, but why. 

 

 

 

I wouldn’t discount it so readily - it is (will be) a different type play style than the tanks you mentioned. (This is from someone that’s only finished Tier V on the line).

 

However if looking at the stats there are two major points to consider:

 - that DPM

 - the upcoming gun depression buff (from -6 to -8) coupled with Swedish Med suspension mechanic that gives it -14 degrees depression.

 

If you like playing a ridge-line this tank definitely offers interest above any of the tanks you outlined and I *think* makes it worthy of the grind.

[HadurHun]

Oh good, I wont be gaming in august so I don't miss anything. STB was dead long time and after the "different kind of" nerf it's still dead.

[portuguese007]

*edited*

Edited by Daxeno, 07 August 2019 - 06:19 PM.
Non constructive.

[alKY_UniQe]

Right now I am on tier IX - Type 61. I have played 40 games with this vehicle and i have to say it is terrible....i still have stock gun but it is so useless that it is just no way to use that gun. 3400 dpm is totally useless when you cant use it in full potential. 

It has no speed, it is a paper, low alpha, big silhouette, easy target, the only good thing is that gun but as i said it is useless when you cant use it. You will never shoot every 4.2s in the game, mostly you need to peek and boo because you are easy target so your 240dmg in trade is nothing comparing to other tier IX or X vehicles. 

 

This tank is just supposed to be played the same way like TDs. You just need to sit in the back of the map and just wait, some stupid enemies will go in front of your gun not able to spot you. I just cant understand this playstyle. It is medium tank, its role is not to sit back and just wait. This tank has nothing from competitive medium top tier tanks. i believe STB-1 is the same case.

 

The game is just camping playground and such vehicles only supports it more and more.

At least top of the tree rewards players with more XPs which can make faster progress. I cant imagine grinding STB-1 without this event and premium account.

 

STA-1 was different story because that fire rate was awesome (for tier 8) but i didnt play much in random battles (I have grinded Type61 in FL)

Chi-Ri was good vehicle because it had a loader, it was fun to play with that vehicle. 

All in all, japanese meds are just sluggish, they lack speed, that's the biggest drawback.

Edited by alKY_UniQe, 18 August 2019 - 07:11 PM.