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Community #1 Posted 01 August 2019 - 06:00 AM

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Reach the top of the Japanese medium tank Tech Tree right now.

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kuszi1994 #2 Posted 01 August 2019 - 06:20 AM

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This tank looks really good but its still way out of the meta.. object 430u or any medium will eat him alive :/

wsatnutter #3 Posted 01 August 2019 - 06:41 AM

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undutchable80 #4 Posted 01 August 2019 - 06:43 AM

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I am on the Tier 5 and going on holiday in a couple of weeks, so I will see how far I get. Aiming to reach the T8.

kaneloon #5 Posted 01 August 2019 - 07:50 AM

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Strangely the Type 61 is still the one I prefer in this line.

Profesor_Baltazar #6 Posted 01 August 2019 - 08:46 AM

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I simply don't agree with equipment on these tanks, I prefer coated optics on any tank with good view range and STB-1 has 400m!

SlyMeerkat #7 Posted 01 August 2019 - 08:58 AM

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Starting now of which i am at Tier IV with :D

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MeNoobTank #8 Posted 01 August 2019 - 09:38 AM

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I am at T6 and I quite enjoy it. I already have STA-2 so I know what to expect from the high tiers. I hope that I can reach atleast T8 in time.

Simona2k #9 Posted 01 August 2019 - 09:39 AM

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TungstenHitman #10 Posted 01 August 2019 - 09:46 AM

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Nah. I see no logical reason to want or grind the STB-1. Here's why, with some of the other T10 med tanks I either have or have available to purchase right now it just doesn't offer anything and is arguably inferior 

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/stb-1?t=leopard-1%7Eprogetto-65%7Eobj-430u

 

It's significantly down on speed with only 50kph compared to the Leo and Progetto's 70kph and 65kph. This heavium sort of speed is justified better with the 430U which has very strong armor by comparison. 

 

It's gun is playing second best to all of them. 360 alpha isn't tragic, better than some but still not up there with plenty of others. The leo hits for 420 alpha and the 430U hits for 440 alpha, so you're not trading well shot for shot and it's DPM isn't mind blowingly superior as to make 2 shots for 1 shot it just isn't and you're probable going to eat a second shot while loading your 3rd etc. It's the same alpha as the Progetto but in truth the Progetto is going to have 4 shells on tap if it needs to turn up the heat so offers way more potency. Also, while the STB has excellent soft stats, both the Leo and Progetto have tighter dispersion if forced to shoot ranged shots fully aimed along with having railgun shell velocity the STB simply hasn't. It's also down on pen compared to the Leo and Progetto.

 

Also the price of ammo for the STB is around 30% more than the Progetto for the exact same alpha and even costs more than the 430U which hits for 440 alpha. It's only really about the same price as the Leo which is typically expensive German ammo but at least for that you're getting 420 alpha, 1500 shell velocity and 280 pen, none of which the STB can match or better. So... it really doesn't offer me anything the other tanks I have or can buy can't do or do better than it. If I want to brawl and have armor I play the 430U and hit harder if I want to snipe and plink cupolas and lower plates I play the Leo and if I want to mix it up and zip around the map and have burst damage potential and flex to do about anything I play the Progetto. For me, this tank doesn't make any sense, a bit like the AMX 30B. Good, but why. 

 



Ciki_el_Tigre #11 Posted 01 August 2019 - 10:53 AM

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 01 August 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

Nah. I see no logical reason to want or grind the STB-1. Here's why, with some of the other T10 med tanks I either have or have available to purchase right now it just doesn't offer anything and is arguably inferior 

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/stb-1?t=leopard-1%7Eprogetto-65%7Eobj-430u

 

It's significantly down on speed with only 50kph compared to the Leo and Progetto's 70kph and 65kph. This heavium sort of speed is justified better with the 430U which has very strong armor by comparison. 

 

It's gun is playing second best to all of them. 360 alpha isn't tragic, better than some but still not up there with plenty of others. The leo hits for 420 alpha and the 430U hits for 440 alpha, so you're not trading well shot for shot and it's DPM isn't mind blowingly superior as to make 2 shots for 1 shot it just isn't and you're probable going to eat a second shot while loading your 3rd etc. It's the same alpha as the Progetto but in truth the Progetto is going to have 4 shells on tap if it needs to turn up the heat so offers way more potency. Also, while the STB has excellent soft stats, both the Leo and Progetto have tighter dispersion if forced to shoot ranged shots fully aimed along with having railgun shell velocity the STB simply hasn't. It's also down on pen compared to the Leo and Progetto.

 

Also the price of ammo for the STB is around 30% more than the Progetto for the exact same alpha and even costs more than the 430U which hits for 440 alpha. It's only really about the same price as the Leo which is typically expensive German ammo but at least for that you're getting 420 alpha, 1500 shell velocity and 280 pen, none of which the STB can match or better. So... it really doesn't offer me anything the other tanks I have or can buy can't do or do better than it. If I want to brawl and have armor I play the 430U and hit harder if I want to snipe and plink cupolas and lower plates I play the Leo and if I want to mix it up and zip around the map and have burst damage potential and flex to do about anything I play the Progetto. For me, this tank doesn't make any sense, a bit like the AMX 30B. Good, but why. 

 

 

You have done a very good analysis of the current situation and why this tank is not what it should be!

 

Once upon the time, STB-1 was PERFECT. Then, on scene went "developers" and RUIN all!

After few LONG years, "developers", who DON`T even play WoT, nerf pen from 390 to 360... Shell velocity... Max speed to 50 km/h... And call that "BUFFS".


Edited by Ciki_el_Tigre, 01 August 2019 - 10:58 AM.


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Kusur #13 Posted 01 August 2019 - 11:47 AM

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Chi-nu - okish medium
Chi-ri - nice tank with autoloader gun, just a bit slow for my taste and its huge
Sta1- good after recent changes
Type61- i liked it very well, overall great tank
Stb1- will see how it will preform if it get these depresion buffs in 1.6 but for now its okish


TijgernootTank #14 Posted 01 August 2019 - 12:43 PM

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I like this title better then ;  stb1 is up for the taking -- i always found that bit nonsense title for tank of month , like u only have to log in and get the tank in garage .

 



Gruff_ #15 Posted 01 August 2019 - 02:03 PM

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I've played less than 40 games on various Japanese tier1-4 tanks when they came out but then rebelled against them because of the OI OHO etc op derp effect on the game.  Is there any medium down this line that is a well rounded / favourite tier for anyone?

Badz360 #16 Posted 01 August 2019 - 03:46 PM

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 01 August 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

Nah. I see no logical reason to want or grind the STB-1. Here's why, with some of the other T10 med tanks I either have or have available to purchase right now it just doesn't offer anything and is arguably inferior 

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/stb-1?t=leopard-1%7Eprogetto-65%7Eobj-430u

 

It's significantly down on speed with only 50kph compared to the Leo and Progetto's 70kph and 65kph. This heavium sort of speed is justified better with the 430U which has very strong armor by comparison. 

 

It's gun is playing second best to all of them. 360 alpha isn't tragic, better than some but still not up there with plenty of others. The leo hits for 420 alpha and the 430U hits for 440 alpha, so you're not trading well shot for shot and it's DPM isn't mind blowingly superior as to make 2 shots for 1 shot it just isn't and you're probable going to eat a second shot while loading your 3rd etc. It's the same alpha as the Progetto but in truth the Progetto is going to have 4 shells on tap if it needs to turn up the heat so offers way more potency. Also, while the STB has excellent soft stats, both the Leo and Progetto have tighter dispersion if forced to shoot ranged shots fully aimed along with having railgun shell velocity the STB simply hasn't. It's also down on pen compared to the Leo and Progetto.

 

Also the price of ammo for the STB is around 30% more than the Progetto for the exact same alpha and even costs more than the 430U which hits for 440 alpha. It's only really about the same price as the Leo which is typically expensive German ammo but at least for that you're getting 420 alpha, 1500 shell velocity and 280 pen, none of which the STB can match or better. So... it really doesn't offer me anything the other tanks I have or can buy can't do or do better than it. If I want to brawl and have armor I play the 430U and hit harder if I want to snipe and plink cupolas and lower plates I play the Leo and if I want to mix it up and zip around the map and have burst damage potential and flex to do about anything I play the Progetto. For me, this tank doesn't make any sense, a bit like the AMX 30B. Good, but why. 

 

 

 

I wouldn’t discount it so readily - it is (will be) a different type play style than the tanks you mentioned. (This is from someone that’s only finished Tier V on the line).

 

However if looking at the stats there are two major points to consider:

 - that DPM

 - the upcoming gun depression buff (from -6 to -8) coupled with Swedish Med suspension mechanic that gives it -14 degrees depression.

 

If you like playing a ridge-line this tank definitely offers interest above any of the tanks you outlined and I *think* makes it worthy of the grind.



HadurHun #17 Posted 01 August 2019 - 11:01 PM

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Oh good, I wont be gaming in august so I don't miss anything. STB was dead long time and after the "different kind of" nerf it's still dead.

portuguese007 #18 Posted 06 August 2019 - 11:58 PM

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*edited*

Edited by Daxeno, 07 August 2019 - 06:19 PM.
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