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Ammaneus #1 Posted 24 December 2011 - 09:23 PM

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Whilst browsing around the internet, I found a mention of these 2 tanks and thought they would make great additions to the British tree when it eventually comes;

A46
(potential tier 5/6)

The British A46 started in 1943 when the Tank Board called for a British Light Tank to be in production by 1945 to replace the USA's Stuart, and later Chaffee, in British service. A contract was place with Vickers for a tank of 14 to 16 tons mounting a 77mm (as subsequently in Comet). This was the first time that a machine of this category was to have armament suitable for the task it would have to carry out, which was in reconnaissance troops of tank regiments.

Transmission and suspension were kept as simple as possible to reduce power loss at the sprokets, and the tank owed a good deal to the experience which had been hained from Harry Hopkins and Tetrarch. A46 was intended to be air-portable in unladen form, and the possibility of carrying the turret, gun and even tracks separately in another aircraft was seriously considered. Even then, it would have been necessary to lift a 10-ton load, and thereby to accept much reduced strategic range in any transport aircraft available at that date. The air-portability requirement was therefore dropped, and as the order was only for 80 production tanks, progress was extremely slow.

The wooden mock up led to many modifications, among them being the substitution of a Meteorite V-8 350 h.p. engine in place of the 210 h.p. GMC6-71 motor originally proposed. The engine and gearbox were moved to the right front of the hull, leaving the final drive at the back, to bring the gun layout into line with that selected for the SP's and other variants.

TL;DR =

Light tank, 210hp then 350hp engines, 77mm main gun 14-16 tons

[Couldn't find any pictures, if someone finds any, let me know :) )

FV301
(potential tier 6/7)

1946 saw a revived interest in the project, and it was brought into new series as FV301. By 1947 further changes had been made. The Meteoric 2 peterol-injection 500 h.p. engine coupled to a TN10 gearbox in place of the earlier Spicer box was to be used, on a sub-frame for easy removal as a unit. Torsion bar suspension was used, in preference to the Christie type, The turret was composite-built, with a front casting and rolled plates for the rest.

The 77mm gun had a new concentric recoil system, promising even better accuracy, and it was mounted well forward in the turret to provide room for the crew. An equilibrator was used to compensate for the out-of-balance. Eighty rounds could be stowed in the hull, a considerable design feat, considering the size of the ammunition. But frontal armour was reduced to 2"actual thickness, the all up weight of the machine having risen to 21 tons.

However in 1950, doubts arose about the value of such lighly armoured vehicles on the modern battlefield. In parenthesis, one may be permitted to wonder why these doubts had not been properly evaluated earlier; but the result of the later views led to the cancellation of the entire FV300 series by 1953.

TL;DR =

Light Tank, 500hp engine, upgraded 77mm main gun, 21 tons, 50mm Sloped Frontal Armour


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Discussion! Modules? Crew? Pictures? Tier? More Information?

Sotahullu #2 Posted 24 December 2011 - 09:34 PM

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Thats very intresting looking tank. Looking into it and it's probaply be tier 6 if the 77mm gun is like SA50 whic is like L70.

ramonsalazar #3 Posted 26 December 2011 - 11:41 AM

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It's a nasty little bugger the FV301
comparing the size ( used the shovel size as reference )it's about 2,5 m wide and 2 m high. compared to the Leopard size: width: 3.1 m and 2.6 m the FV301 is a hard to hit tank. Yet it's slightly under powered tonnes/HP being 1/23.8 t/hp compared to leo's 1/25.1 t/hp and VK2801 (1/24.8 t/hp).
with the gun being more accurate and at 77mm it's gonna be a killer. So i would say tier 5 for the Brits!

Listy #4 Posted 26 December 2011 - 01:22 PM

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It appears to be on Shopping trolley wheels?
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ramonsalazar #5 Posted 27 December 2011 - 09:19 AM

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View PostListy, on 26 December 2011 - 01:22 PM, said:

It appears to be on Shopping trolley wheels?
:D

just think of the traverse speed it will have then ;) ... and the issues when going downhill jackass style :P

Battledragon #6 Posted 29 December 2011 - 10:23 AM

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That FV301 is on shopping trolly wheels cos that is a wooden mockup, they never built a real one.  But when has WoT let something like that stop it?  We have plenty of paper only tanks already.

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View PostBattledragon, on 29 December 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

That FV301 is on shopping trolly wheels cos that is a wooden mockup, they never built a real one.  But when has WoT let something like that stop it?  We have plenty of paper only tanks already.

Ya think I didn't know that? Twas a joke old boy.

Ammaneus #8 Posted 25 January 2012 - 02:58 AM

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I agree, I think I may have 'up-tiered' the tanks a bit, they would fit better either 1 or 2 tiers lower.

bojan #9 Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:35 PM

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Co cute...
Looks like mini Comet turret on T-70 hull... :P

BlueRequiem #10 Posted 05 February 2012 - 12:09 PM

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Considering that A46 [would have] had a 3" sloped glacis, I doubt we'll see it, we can only speculate on the in game spec of 77mm HV ATM (personally I'm expecting something about halfway between L/48 and L/70 with a lower RoF, just for arguments sake let's say 120mm pen, 130 damage, 0.35m accuracy and 12-13 RPM, enough to give Brit tanks some firepower at tier 5 whilst saving 17 pounder for tier 6) it's likely that it'd make a tank whose armour compares favourably to number of tier 6 mediums and armed with a respectable gun and one of the smallest profiles (at this level anyway)on the game, even with a 350hp engine that's still 21.9 HP/Tonne, only marginally less than a Panzer III/IV... I can't see it happening; tier 5 lights already run through teams on tier 4/5/6.

Sliktastic #11 Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:38 AM

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+1 Ammaneus... Great work

As I had done a very quick and superficial research on that topic. I was think about the A46 and the FV301 too :Smile_Default: .








P.S. Plz thumb up the VK 2801 (DB), so that it maybe becomes a Tier VI light tank.

Edited by Staufen, 23 August 2012 - 11:40 AM.


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Bravo Ammaneus! Shall we take this one further and have the FV301 go on to the FV100 series? Scorpion then Scimatar as the top of the british lights? Not that WG will ever go for that. It would stick to the pattern of being rediculously small though, as the FV101 is 2.13m wide and 2.1m tall and the FV107 is about the same. The scorpion would have quite a nice progression too, stock 76mm upgrade to 90mm and then a turret upgrade to allow you to mount the 30mm RARDEN used on the FV107. Power to weight would be 23.5 hp/t for a stock FV101 and 24.4hp/t for the FV107. Shame WG will never do it.

In other news, despite not playing german tanks, I do hope the VK 2801 DB comes in as a tier 6 light. You'll get an upvote from me.

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View PostEruantien_Aduialdraug, on 03 September 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Scorpion then Scimatar as the top of the british lights? Not that WG will ever go for that. It would stick to the pattern of being rediculously small though, as the FV101 is 2.13m wide and 2.1m tall and the FV107 is about the same. The scorpion would have quite a nice progression too, stock 76mm upgrade to 90mm and then a turret upgrade to allow you to mount the 30mm RARDEN used on the FV107. Power to weight would be 23.5 hp/t for a stock FV101 and 24.4hp/t for the FV107. Shame WG will never do it.

The Scorpion is a little too late in the time line. The TV-15000 mobile test rig however is just within the boundaries.
I always thought that  Scorpion... Sorry, "TV-15000" as stock. With turret and 30mm Upgrade. I'd love to have a 30mm cannon as a top tank gun.

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View PostListy, on 03 September 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

The Scorpion is a little too late in the time line. The TV-15000 mobile test rig however is just within the boundaries.
I always thought that  Scorpion... Sorry, "TV-15000" as stock. With turret and 30mm Upgrade. I'd love to have a 30mm cannon as a top tank gun.
That's kinda why I don't think WG will go for it. I agree that having a 30mm cannon as your top gun will be great, just for the fact that it will confuse so many people, especially as the standard ammo for the RARDEN is APDS and sometimes they use APSE and HE. I am somewhat intrigued as to what these "secondary effects" are with the APSE, no-one ever goes into details...

90 rounds per minute with 30mm APDS? Yes please.

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View PostEruantien_Aduialdraug, on 03 September 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

That's kinda why I don't think WG will go for it. I agree that having a 30mm cannon as your top gun will be great, just for the fact that it will confuse so many people, especially as the standard ammo for the RARDEN is APDS and sometimes they use APSE and HE. I am somewhat intrigued as to what these "secondary effects" are with the APSE, no-one ever goes into details...

90 rounds per minute with 30mm APDS? Yes please.

The "Secondary Effect" is squirting phosphorus around inside the tank. Which means normal shells don't have to use the Calibre based damage system that WG mostly uses. In fact they can make it a good tier relevant gun, with a decent damage factor.

I just see it as loading a clip of one. Each burst is three shells.

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View PostEruantien_Aduialdraug, on 03 September 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Bravo Ammaneus! Shall we take this one further and have the FV301 go on to the FV100 series? Scorpion then Scimatar as the top of the british lights? Not that WG will ever go for that. It would stick to the pattern of being rediculously small though, as the FV101 is 2.13m wide and 2.1m tall and the FV107 is about the same. The scorpion would have quite a nice progression too, stock 76mm upgrade to 90mm and then a turret upgrade to allow you to mount the 30mm RARDEN used on the FV107. Power to weight would be 23.5 hp/t for a stock FV101 and 24.4hp/t for the FV107. Shame WG will never do it.

In other news, despite not playing german tanks, I do hope the VK 2801 DB comes in as a tier 6 light. You'll get an upvote from me.

Thx for thr thumbs up. :Smile_Default:


Have you all an idea what could be a good tier VII or VIII light tank (Im not an expert on british tanks)? I ask because I had made a small list, and those spots are still open:

http://forum.worldof...s/#entry2518823

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View PostStaufen, on 06 September 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

Thx for thr thumbs up. :Smile_Default:


Have you all an idea what could be a good tier VII or VIII light tank (Im not an expert on british tanks)? I ask because I had made a small list, and those spots are still open:

http://forum.worldof...s/#entry2518823

How about.
Tier 4: A-446/FV300
Tier 5: TV-10000 Rhino
Tier 6: TV-15000

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View PostListy, on 06 September 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

How about.
Tier 4: A-446/FV300
Tier 5: TV-10000 Rhino
Tier 6: TV-15000

Ehm the FV 301 has a 77mm gun. ehm what is with the FV 300? I thought it was the chassis/coachwork for the 300 series?... Have you some links... so that I can see how they look.... would be great (you will also get some thumbs up); because, sadly I have found nothing :(

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View PostStaufen, on 06 September 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Ehm the FV 301 has a 77mm gun. ehm what is with the FV 300? I thought it was the chassis/coachwork for the 300 series?... Have you some links... so that I can see how they look.... would be great (you will also get some thumbs up); because, sadly I have found nothing :(

FV-300 series is a variant of the A-46, a later version. As you say the 301 was the light tank.

TV-10000 Rhino was a wheel armoured car, that originally was designed to mount a Turret that I believe was akin to the Saladin one. This turret only partial revolved due to the Missile rack mount behind it. However as there's no Missiles in the game, just strip them off and give the turret a full rotation.
NExt you'll say "no wheeled vehicles". Well they test fitted it with tracks:
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First thumbs up,

than... I would say: Tier VI for the FV 301.....


As for the Rino... first tanks for the picture....And I see your argument and agree. I can see it with the saladin turret as stockversion (76mm gun) and some fantasy turret as upgraded version.




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