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Poll: Best fast and sneaky tank ! (47 members have cast votes)

You have to complete 250 battle in order to participate this poll.

Which would you pick ?

  1. AMX 30 B (4 votes [8.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.51%

  2. Leopard 1 (20 votes [42.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.55%

  3. STB-1 (8 votes [17.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.02%

  4. UDES 15/16 (15 votes [31.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.91%

Should i take a light tank instead?

  1. WZ-132-1 (1 vote [1.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.43%

  2. AMX 13 105 (14 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. EBR 105 (22 votes [31.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.43%

  4. Panzerwagen (6 votes [8.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.57%

  5. Sheridan (1 vote [1.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.43%

  6. T-100 LT (26 votes [37.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.14%

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Furibiondo #1 Posted 04 August 2019 - 10:07 PM

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Hello, i'm looking for a fast and sneaky tank.
The main stats i'm looking for are :
-Power/weight ratio and ofc a good top speed.
-High camo.
-Good view range.

I have a obj 140 and i love roaming around the map not being spotted and outspotting others. But i would like a faster tank !
I was thinking to STB-1, Leopard or AMX 30b.
I can already unlock the amx 30 Tier 9 so that's a good thing.
Maybe should i go for a light tank? I wouldn't like a too low penetration (248 seems like the minimum acceptable at tier 10) or dpm for when i take some 1v1 fights.
I didn't include autoloaders beacouse i'm already grinding the italian line and the BC-25 has too high reloading time for my tastes.

Thanks for your answers !! :honoring:

Edited by Furibiondo, 04 August 2019 - 10:08 PM.


iuytr #2 Posted 04 August 2019 - 11:07 PM

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I like my E25, though you'll have to wait until it's on sale again. And although I haven't played it, the Type 64 always seems to be a headache to deal with.

tajj7 #3 Posted 05 August 2019 - 12:13 PM

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Does it have to be tier 10? 

 

Tier 10 lights lack of a lot of gun power and general competitiveness, if you are used to something like a 140 you'll find it difficult with such a drop in firepower.

 

In which case the UDES might be a good choice, it;s decently fast, though not rapid, very low profile and has excellent camo.


Failing that the EBR 105 is the fastest tank in the game with one of the highest camos, but its hard to play.

 

If you are looking lower tier I'd recommend something like the 13-57, which is a premium I think is on sale at the moment or the T71 DA which is a very strong tier 7 light. 



LordSkyFury #4 Posted 05 August 2019 - 01:00 PM

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AMX 30b is terrible tier 10 tank and it would be just waste of credits right now.

 

I would recommend you BatChat 25t, because this is only tech tree medium that is faster and more stealthier than 140 with ability to clip most of tier 10 medium tanks if all shots go in. Btw autoloader and aut-reloader are completely different mechanics.

 

From light tanks I would recommend Amx 13 105 or T-100, but you loose a lot of combat capacity compare to medium tanks.



Furibiondo #5 Posted 05 August 2019 - 02:25 PM

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I thought exactly that about light tanks, missing gun power....
I tried the BC25 on the test server but the gun is too unreliable from any distance and also the reload time is very high.
I also tried the STB-1 and with that amazing depression can do miracles in the right maps (maybe too map dependant...).
Due to these type of tanks (camo+fast+view) being without any armor, they suits a fast-relocate sniper at start of the game, so I was leaning forward the Leopard for having the best dispersion and best penetration from distance, also the camo is not bad.

LordSkyFury #6 Posted 05 August 2019 - 02:51 PM

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If you are looking for fast sniper than Leopard 1 is go-to tank.



WhoCares01 #7 Posted 05 August 2019 - 03:21 PM

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How about Progetto 65 line?

You have the Prog 36 mod. 46 premium already, so you have some experience with it and a somewhat trained crew. The grind along the tree is fairly forgiving, no extreme stinkers along the line and okayish stock grinds. Most of the tanks in the line have good mobility, fairly good fire power (mostly good standard pen), and fairly good camo (for meds, assuming good crews at higher tiers) as well.


Edited by WhoCares01, 05 August 2019 - 03:24 PM.


Rati_Festa #8 Posted 05 August 2019 - 03:28 PM

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If you want a light tank that has a decent gun, is fast and has excellent vr.. the hwk 30 is a good option.

Its a hybrid light/med. HE shells do 350 dmg plus, most of your regular enemies, other lights, progettos, skorps, su 130.. ie no armour.

Its gold ammo also has 250 pen :)

ExistanceUK #9 Posted 05 August 2019 - 05:20 PM

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I too would echo the comment about the Italian line, the tier 9 and 10 might be what you are looking for. 

 



Furibiondo #10 Posted 06 August 2019 - 12:41 AM

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Again thank you for your answers.
The AMX 30 B is just a worse Leo but with more dpm (more focused to mid-close combat but for this there are better tanks for sure), and i don't like the top speed of 50 km/h of the stb-1.

So my choice is now restricted to Progetto and Leo.
Leo has more pen, more alpha, more dpm, better aiming time and better dispersion; better power/weight ratio and more top speed, also more view range and it's alot smaller (so harder to hit).
Progetto has more camo (not by much), and the autoreloader.....the main point is that i have the premium progetto to train crew.
By the stats the Leo seems the clear winner (?)

Thlurp #11 Posted 06 August 2019 - 06:58 AM

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Chinese and Russian med lines are sneaky.

Russian light line as well.

viewrange is mostly all about skills/equipment.

 

another idea would be Czech meds, they have decent Camo and great viewrange

the grind is a bit bad at some stages tho



pihip #12 Posted 06 August 2019 - 07:06 AM

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Arguably the best sneaky killer among mediums is the BatChat 25t, but you already said no to that due to the magazine reload. :(

For the lights, EBR 105 is king when it comes to speed, but it needs a lot of crew perks plus food to get serviceable viewrange, and is overall difficult to play.

Vision-wise, Sheridan and Panzerwagen (the latter is also a speed demon, but otherwise the worst Tier 10 in terms of average winrate).

Camo-wise, afaik the sneakiest are EBR 105, LT 100 and AMX 13 105.

That said, I would recommend you stop at Tier 9 if you want a high tier LT. The class is already in a bad spot due to many medium tanks doing better at the spotting game and having better stats everywhere (except camo and speed/accel).

Negativvv #13 Posted 06 August 2019 - 07:15 AM

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BatChat is da bomb but yeah it takes no prisoners due to no armour, long reloads, slightly derpy gun and very low ammo capacity.

 

If I were you I'd just play the Object 140. Get it's crew up to epic levels and your own understanding of it. It's probably the best tank out of all that's mentioned on here. It isn't even that slow, can be compensated by slightly better forward planning.

 



ExistanceUK #14 Posted 06 August 2019 - 11:23 AM

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One thing I would point out about the Leo1 is that it's not a small tank, so just be aware. The Progetto for example is a fair bit lower profile (this is partly reflected in the camo values) although not as small as the 430U!
 

Edited by ExistanceUK, 06 August 2019 - 11:24 AM.


mpf1959 #15 Posted 06 August 2019 - 12:43 PM

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TOG, you heard it here first! ;)

Furibiondo #16 Posted 06 August 2019 - 01:11 PM

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View PostNegativvv, on 06 August 2019 - 07:15 AM, said:

BatChat is da bomb but yeah it takes no prisoners due to no armour, long reloads, slightly derpy gun and very low ammo capacity.

 

If I were you I'd just play the Object 140. Get it's crew up to epic levels and your own understanding of it. It's probably the best tank out of all that's mentioned on here. It isn't even that slow, can be compensated by slightly better forward planning.

 

The 140 has one problem in common with the batchat, the gun depression/elevation, which makes alot harder to take sneaky shots on enemies from sneaky places.....in that regard i think the stb-1 is the best.
I was also considering the case they nerf one of the tanks, with Leopard I will still have alot of modules for german tanks, in the progetto i "lose" everything, same for the STB-1 and TVP (tvp also has too low pen to snipe).


Edited by Furibiondo, 06 August 2019 - 01:12 PM.


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View PostWhoCares01, on 05 August 2019 - 03:21 PM, said:

How about Progetto 65 line?

You have the Prog 36 mod. 46 premium already, so you have some experience with it and a somewhat trained crew. The grind along the tree is fairly forgiving, no extreme stinkers along the line and okayish stock grinds. Most of the tanks in the line have good mobility, fairly good fire power (mostly good standard pen), and fairly good camo (for meds, assuming good crews at higher tiers) as well.

Progetto line doesn't have good mobility on most tanks in the line. The mobility start at the P44 Pantera. I played the ones before and they're sluggish and accelerate slow. I really didn't like the mid-tiers on that line.

View PostFuribiondo, on 06 August 2019 - 12:41 AM, said:

Again thank you for your answers.
The AMX 30 B is just a worse Leo but with more dpm (more focused to mid-close combat but for this there are better tanks for sure), and i don't like the top speed of 50 km/h of the stb-1.

AMX 30B isn't great, but it's completely different from Leo, so a comparison makes no sense. AMX 30 is far better and it's good at close to mid-range. Leo works well on open maps, but STB-1 also needs closer range to work with the accuracy. Leopard is too situational in my opinion.


Edited by BlackBloodBandit, 06 August 2019 - 08:34 PM.


snowlywhite #18 Posted 07 August 2019 - 01:53 AM

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proseco. If you want med without armor: proseco, proseco and more proseco. Plus the whole grind is a joy(ok, tier 6-7 are kinda bland, but...). I'm currently debating if I should try to 3 mark the tier 9 or move to tier 10(and I hate playing tier 10). I'm in love with the std b, I loved pantera.

 

The tier 10 is better then tier 9 and with better gun and it even bounces if ppl. autoaim and don't have heat. Dunno, the whole line is the definition of flexibility for me.

 

if you strictly want to satisfy your requirements: bc or leo. Bc is probably way more flexible(as someone liking lights - I have no problem spotting/outspotting). Leo is far more accurate. Probably any tier 10 med is more accurate then bc and by a mile. Excluding the turds - 121, amx 30 and the like. And even those are more accurate.

 

but dunno, you gotta like autoloaders for bc. You probably have to like it for italians too.

 

udes is sneaky but it's on the slow side for a med in tier 10. Gun is ok, but nowhere near great.

 

accurate = mainly aim time, aim time when turning turret/tank, blabla and then accy. At 400m accy won't be laser for anything.






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