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Gatix #1 Posted 10 August 2019 - 01:49 PM

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Once wargaming release another premium tank better than free tech tanks. Also once again those d1ck heads showed this company rotten to the core, they never care about game play health.

T69 vs Škoda T 27

90mm gun vs 88mm gun, same damage..

Aim time 2,78 vs 2,11

Pen 181 vs 202 

So on..

https://tanks.gg/compare/t69?t=skoda-t-27

 

GG wargaming.



Negativvv #2 Posted 10 August 2019 - 02:16 PM

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T69 has sucked for a long time.

 

It's probably worse than the TVP and Panther II as it has nothing going for it.



ExclamationMark #3 Posted 10 August 2019 - 02:24 PM

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Yep, am grinding it now. Even full HEAT it's pretty bad.

Just compare it to the Progetto, it's even more pathetic.



shane73tank #4 Posted 10 August 2019 - 02:44 PM

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One upon a time myself and a certain mr Clarke spent a lot of time on that line, oh how we wanted the t69 to be remotely competitive , but it’s just pure dross , a complete turd - you could nerf the t27 with the worlds largest bat and it would probably  still be better than the t69


Edited by shane73tank, 10 August 2019 - 02:45 PM.


Gatix #5 Posted 10 August 2019 - 02:48 PM

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Right now I play with T32, holy mother, armor is fine, but people spam gold to it way too much, 198 pen? You kidding. 198 pen on heavy? 10 tier heavys + some of them are buffed holy crap, I can't pen side. Most obj are way too OP for T32. Later I checked 198 pen vs all 9-10 tier obj. I thought I had 50/50% chance to pen, seems I was very wrong. Only I take tracks and pray for support...

Xandania #6 Posted 10 August 2019 - 02:57 PM

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Currently suffering through the tier9 'murican autoloader - I do not dare to call it an adequate tank - it can hurt unarmored tanks, but even for those it is subpar with its 30 seconds reload and 4 low-damage shells with long interclip reload....

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View Postshane73tank, on 10 August 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:

One upon a time myself and a certain mr Clarke spent a lot of time on that line, oh how we wanted the t69 to be remotely competitive , but it’s just pure dross , a complete turd - you could nerf the t27 with the worlds largest bat and it would probably  still be better than the t69

I remember! We swapped tips on the T69, whci basically boiled down to: "shoot gold!". 

 

View PostGatix, on 10 August 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

Right now I play with T32, holy mother, armor is fine, but people spam gold to it way too much, 198 pen? You kidding. 198 pen on heavy? 10 tier heavys + some of them are buffed holy crap, I can't pen side. Most obj are way too OP for T32. Later I checked 198 pen vs all 9-10 tier obj. I thought I had 50/50% chance to pen, seems I was very wrong. Only I take tracks and pray for support...

I am grinding that tank too. It's a sad state when the general advice is to play the 90mm full gold, since the gold pen on the 90mm is higher than the top 105mm gun AND you get higher RoF, cuz reasons... 

 

View PostXandania, on 10 August 2019 - 02:57 PM, said:

Currently suffering through the tier9 'murican autoloader - I do not dare to call it an adequate tank - it can hurt unarmored tanks, but even for those it is subpar with its 30 seconds reload and 4 low-damage shells with long interclip reload....

T54E1 is doing my head in. 60k left to go on this sorry excuses for a high tier medium autoloader. 

 

#MakeAmericaGreatAgain



AvengerOrion #8 Posted 10 August 2019 - 03:15 PM

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View PostGatix, on 10 August 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

Once wargaming release another premium tank better than free tech tanks. Also once again those d1ck heads showed this company rotten to the core, they never care about game play health.

T69 vs Škoda T 27

90mm gun vs 88mm gun, same damage..

Aim time 2,78 vs 2,11

Pen 181 vs 202 

So on..

https://tanks.gg/compare/t69?t=skoda-t-27

 

GG wargaming.

 

You are going to have so much fun in the T54E1 :trollface:



Gatix #9 Posted 10 August 2019 - 03:20 PM

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View Postundutchable80, on 10 August 2019 - 05:05 PM, said:

I remember! We swapped tips on the T69, whci basically boiled down to: "shoot gold!". 

 

I am grinding that tank too. It's a sad state when the general advice is to play the 90mm full gold, since the gold pen on the 90mm is higher than the top 105mm gun AND you get higher RoF, cuz reasons... 

 

T54E1 is doing my head in. 60k left to go on this sorry excuses for a high tier medium autoloader. 

 

#MakeAmericaGreatAgain

I play only USA tanks, in general they all are slow, lights are nice. but all rest are slow, but somehow I manage to master that speed. I marked many tanks to 3 marks.

Also I thought why not to try 90mm gun, but again.. Well, you offer, I must to try it!

View PostAvengerOrion, on 10 August 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

 

You are going to have so much fun in the T54E1 :trollface:

My dear friend, T54E1 is 3 marks on gun, hold my milk I come for your life!


Edited by Gatix, 10 August 2019 - 03:21 PM.


NekoPuffer_PPP #10 Posted 10 August 2019 - 03:21 PM

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T69 has funky armor angles and can ricochet shots surprisingly often.

 

T27 is just paper.

 

I quite like the T69, not just due to its name.



Gatix #11 Posted 10 August 2019 - 03:24 PM

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View PostNekoPuffer_PPP, on 10 August 2019 - 05:21 PM, said:

T69 has funky armor angles and can ricochet shots surprisingly often.

 

T27 is just paper.

 

I quite like the T69, not just due to its name.

Yes, when you top top tier or some random try snap shot, but when someone aim to you with reason to hurt you, well armor won't help. Especially now days, when "very special ammo is life"



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View PostGatix, on 10 August 2019 - 04:24 PM, said:

Yes, when you top top tier or some random try snap shot, but when someone aim to you with reason to hurt you, well armor won't help. Especially now days, when "very special ammo is life"

 

So? Some tanks just don't like to deal with higher tiers, and the solution to that problem is avoiding them on the battlefield.

 

The T69 has better DPM and can bully lower tiers. The T27 is accurate (better gun handling and shell velocity) and can snipe at long range.

 

Just because they're both autoloaders doesn't mean they have the same playstyle. They're in fact very different. What's an Emil I like compared to the AMX 50 100? Yeah, thought so.



7thSyndicate #13 Posted 10 August 2019 - 03:33 PM

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t69 is not bad in the current mm, before the changes i could agree it was "bad". I played him with the special bottom tier mm and still enjoyed.

Edited by 7thSyndicate, 10 August 2019 - 03:34 PM.


Balc0ra #14 Posted 10 August 2019 - 04:17 PM

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View PostGatix, on 10 August 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

Once wargaming release another premium tank better than free tech tanks. Also once again those d1ck heads showed this company rotten to the core, they never care about game play health.

T69 vs Škoda T 27

90mm gun vs 88mm gun, same damage..

Aim time 2,78 vs 2,11

Pen 181 vs 202 

So on..

https://tanks.gg/compare/t69?t=skoda-t-27

 

But 3 shots vs 4. And less DPM. So vs tanks like the Progetto going 1 shot at the time before he burst. Both will suffer badly. Tho my T69 had no issue slapping a T 27 close up. Just like he barely out dpm's the Lorr in 1 on 1.

 

Now the T69 platform vs the 27 again is no comparison. But just focusing on the gun. Then it's down to if you want burst damage and dpm, or reload speed and pen. But then again pen on the T69 was worse before. The only one that crows above it is the T95E2, as he has the same gun, but single fire. Also, the aim time lingers from a past rebalance. When the T57 etc got slapped. As they wanted that line to be close up, not support. So they got their gun handling slapped a bit. If WG feels that applies now is a different matter with all the new clips added since then.

 

But as the T26E4 got buffed on his pen. I'm willing to bet the rest of the US 90mm guns are waiting for that global rebalance fix to get their pen up to 202. If so the T69 has more burst, pen, DPM. Vs just aim time and reload. Then what? Start the circle anew? 



Gatix #15 Posted 10 August 2019 - 04:26 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 10 August 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

 

But 3 shots vs 4. And less DPM. So vs tanks like the Progetto going 1 shot at the time before he burst. Both will suffer badly. Tho my T69 had no issue slapping a T 27 close up. Just like he barely out dpm's the Lorr in 1 on 1.

 

Now the T69 platform vs the 27 again is no comparison. But just focusing on the gun. Then it's down to if you want burst damage and dpm, or reload speed and pen. But then again pen on the T69 was worse before. The only one that crows above it is the T95E2, as he has the same gun, but single fire. Also, the aim time lingers from a past rebalance. When the T57 etc got slapped. As they wanted that line to be close up, not support. So they got their gun handling slapped a bit. If WG feels that applies now is a different matter with all the new clips added since then.

 

But as the T26E4 got buffed on his pen. I'm willing to bet the rest of the US 90mm guns are waiting for that global rebalance fix to get their pen up to 202. If so the T69 has more burst, pen, DPM. Vs just aim time and reload. Then what? Start the circle anew? 

I don't ask for extreme buff, T69 should get aim time better, because what the point of 2s inter clip if you can't aim at close targets? The main idea spam gold? Who need aim when you load heat.



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Fun fact:
A clan mate I usually platoon with is currently grinding the T57 line. He thought the T69 was a decent tank and is currently having the T54E1 his best performing tank by XP and DPG. He bought the T27 and absolutely hates everything about it and can't make it work.

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arthurwellsley #18 Posted 11 August 2019 - 09:37 AM

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View PostGatix, on 10 August 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:

Once wargaming release another premium tank better than free tech tanks. Also once again those d1ck heads showed this company rotten to the core, they never care about game play health.

T69 vs Škoda T 27

90mm gun vs 88mm gun, same damage..

Aim time 2,78 vs 2,11

Pen 181 vs 202 

So on..

https://tanks.gg/compare/t69?t=skoda-t-27

 

GG wargaming.

I believe that actually WG did a very good job with the Skoda T27 premium tank. It is not as good as the Progetto which is frankly a bit too strong, nor is it the equal of the Lorraine 40T in some ways.

Lets look;

Tank

dpm

Penetration

alpha

Clip damage

Armour on turret

T69

 

1,806.19

181

240

960 / 6s

4 clip

152.4/114.3/63.5

Skoda T 27

1,623.66

202

240

720 / 3.59s

3 clip

Showing incorrectly at present

Progetto

1,877.14

212

240

720 / 4s

3 clip

80/60/25

Lorraine 40t

1,684.42

232

300

1,200 / 7.50s

4 clip

45/30/20

Although a case can be made for a buff to the penetration of the T69, and maybe something on the gun handling, its still pretty decent with that clip potential of 960, and the overall dpm is still higher than some.



Gatix #19 Posted 11 August 2019 - 11:59 AM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 11 August 2019 - 11:37 AM, said:

I believe that actually WG did a very good job with the Skoda T27 premium tank. It is not as good as the Progetto which is frankly a bit too strong, nor is it the equal of the Lorraine 40T in some ways.

Lets look;

Tank

dpm

Penetration

alpha

Clip damage

Armour on turret

T69

 

1,806.19

181

240

960 / 6s

4 clip

152.4/114.3/63.5

Skoda T 27

1,623.66

202

240

720 / 3.59s

3 clip

Showing incorrectly at present

Progetto

1,877.14

212

240

720 / 4s

3 clip

80/60/25

Lorraine 40t

1,684.42

232

300

1,200 / 7.50s

4 clip

45/30/20

Although a case can be made for a buff to the penetration of the T69, and maybe something on the gun handling, its still pretty decent with that clip potential of 960, and the overall dpm is still higher than some.

I never asked for more armor or clip damage, I only aim time, maybe pen to 198?

Actually I would like only have better aim time, with 181 pen somehow I can manage avoid bobjects, because to pen them I'm sure need full heat to pen "so called weak spots".



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T69 is not bad but its not a dream come true either.

find it easier to pick toon mate with a heavy or medium tank that can pike the corner while im reloading.

most players hesitate to poke such corners and when they finaly do they get one shot in and take one shot and from time to time i have a full clip ready so i can go after them to finish the job.

sure you can do this with every autoloader but it has made it far kinda fun and enjoyable ride doing it like that.

i have much worse experience when going to randoms solo.






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