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undutchable80 #21 Posted 12 August 2019 - 09:51 AM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 12 August 2019 - 09:36 AM, said:

 

Could be, but they usually come up with some new premium for Gamescom every year. :)

That is also true, but looking at the supertest, we have plenty of options:

A43 BP Prototype (tier 6 though)

VK 75.01 (K)

Turtle Mk.1 (might be a bit soon though)

M48 Rampanzer

TL1-LPC

E75 TS

Kampfpanzer 50t (wasnt this one meant as a new Reward tank for Ranked?)

FV1066 Senlac (what a crapstorm this will cause if it gets released in its current state compared to the standard Brit T8 LT)

T54E2

Object 777 Version II

 

And seeing that we have had Italian, British, Russian, Polish, French, and american marathons, the big one missing out is the German Challenge, so I expect that one to be one of the next ones, especially looking at the above list. ;)

 

EDIT: You may be correct: https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/08/09/insider-news-about-gamescom/ 


Edited by undutchable80, 12 August 2019 - 09:59 AM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #22 Posted 12 August 2019 - 10:11 AM

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View Postundutchable80, on 12 August 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:

That is also true, but looking at the supertest, we have plenty of options:

A43 BP Prototype (tier 6 though)

VK 75.01 (K)

Turtle Mk.1 (might be a bit soon though)

M48 Rampanzer

TL1-LPC

E75 TS

Kampfpanzer 50t (wasnt this one meant as a new Reward tank for Ranked?)

FV1066 Senlac (what a crapstorm this will cause if it gets released in its current state compared to the standard Brit T8 LT)

T54E2

Object 777 Version II

 

And seeing that we have had Italian, British, Russian, Polish, French, and american marathons, the big one missing out is the German Challenge, so I expect that one to be one of the next ones, especially looking at the above list. ;)

 

EDIT: You may be correct: https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/08/09/insider-news-about-gamescom/ 

 

Yes the Pz 50T is a reward for ranked. I see coffee is working very well this morning! : flower:



LIL_Veky #23 Posted 12 August 2019 - 08:24 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 12 August 2019 - 09:31 AM, said:

 

Gun handling is only marginally worse than the 1001 but its 490 alpha and has more pen. For 490 alpha the gun handling is decent, has way better aim time than Defender. 

 

It also has no side weapspots, upper side armour is even angled so it'll troll lower tier guns who look like they have flat ish side shots, but turns out you can get like 160-180 with massive over angling. 

 

It can sit at about 45 degrees and if you dont have 230+ pen then you have to hit the cupola flush to pen and even then a lot of tier 7s its 50/50. 

 

This is a tier 8 Super Heavy that will be able to two shot tier 7 meds with high rolls, that most won't be able to pen. Its a tier 8 heavy with better turret armour and upper plate than an E75 FFS. 

It's not even close to E75 lmao



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View PostLIL_Veky, on 12 August 2019 - 07:24 PM, said:

It's not even close to E75 lmao

 

Not even close? LMAO. 

 

Has same alpha gun, has a BETTER upper plate, and very similar frontal turret armour/cupola to an E75. (250 effective plus 160-170 effective cupola) 

 

The only armour the TIER 9 E75 has better is a better lower plate that is about 20-30mm more effective and 20mm more side armour.

 

Slap tier 9 HP and tier 9 pen on this thing and it would be an alight tier 9 tank. 

 



XxKuzkina_MatxX #25 Posted 13 August 2019 - 01:59 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 13 August 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:

has a BETTER upper plate,

 

Well you're wrong there...

 

E75 upper plate:

 

 

VK 75.01 (K) upper plate:

 

 

It's not that hard to check you know. Also a 180mm plate @53° will never have a LOS thickness greater than a 160mm plate @60°. Some people never learn!



tajj7 #26 Posted 13 August 2019 - 02:02 PM

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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 13 August 2019 - 12:59 PM, said:

 

Well you're wrong there...

 

E75 upper plate:

 

 

VK 75.01 (K) upper plate:

 

 

It's not that hard to check you know. Also a 180mm plate @53° will never have a LOS thickness greater than a 160mm plate @60°. Some people never learn!

 

 

Except I am not according to tanks.gg, which is where I got the E75 figure from -

 

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Which considering I know the E75 upper plate is not that good (it's penned with 330 HEAT fairly reliably) would suggest that tank inspector is wrong. 


Edited by tajj7, 13 August 2019 - 02:06 PM.


XxKuzkina_MatxX #27 Posted 13 August 2019 - 02:09 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 13 August 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

Which considering I know the E75 upper plate is not that good (it's penned with 330 HEAT fairly reliably) would suggest that tank inspector is wrong. 

 

If tank inspector is wrong which it isn't by the way. Then you don't know the effective thickness of the upper plate for the VK and you can't say if it's better or worse. So you either check before writing nonsense or just let it go.



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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 13 August 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

 

If tank inspector is wrong which it isn't by the way. Then you don't know the effective thickness of the upper plate for the VK and you can't say if it's better or worse. So you either check before writing nonsense or just let it go.

 

VK 75.01 model doesn't work on tanks.gg hence why I used tank inspector, so yeh I checked the only source for that one model and used tanks.gg for the E75 as its a much older model and tanks.gg is generally more reliable for those.

 

So how am I writing nonsense exactly? Oh wait I am not, I have two armour models and the sources give me those effective values, so best you shut up. 

 



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View Posttajj7, on 13 August 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

 

VK 75.01 model doesn't work on tanks.gg hence why I used tank inspector, so yeh I checked the only source for that one model and used tanks.gg for the E75 as its a much older model and tanks.gg is generally more reliable for those.

 

So how am I writing nonsense exactly? Oh wait I am not, I have two armour models and the sources give me those effective values, so best you shut up.

 

Add more drivel to the mix and you get what??? more drivel!

 

If the formula in either site is different then you can either check both tanks in one of them or just shut up about it. Not using what suits your nonsense as you go!

 

Again if you have trouble understanding simple images...

 

E75 upper plate:

 

 

VK 75.01 (K) upper plate:

 

 

both taken from the same site and the values calculated using the same formula. This formula by the way...

 

 

Take this as an opportunity to learn something instead of the usual tripe all over the forums.


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 13 August 2019 - 02:25 PM.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 13 August 2019 - 01:24 PM, said:

 

Add more drivel to the mix and you get what??? more drivel!

 

 

Ironic from the guy who literally just copies news items and blog items and then posts them on the forum.

 

You literally posted the same thing, repeating it does not make it any different, I have shown you the E75 armour model and it says different, that is what I used and as I said the E75 upper plate is not 330 effective, you'd know that if you'd played it. 

 

What's hilarious is whilst you try to argue this stupid technicality, you can't actually comment at all on my original point that this tank basically has a tier 9 armour model, with at least the turret armour and alpha at the same level as the E75 and is likely to be OP as all hell, considering the VK has less armour, alpha and mobility and is very OP. 

 

But of course you can't because that requires independent thought and you can only copy blog posts or news items.

 



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View Posttajj7, on 13 August 2019 - 01:30 PM, said:

 

Not even close? LMAO. 

 

Has same alpha gun, has a BETTER upper plate, and very similar frontal turret armour/cupola to an E75. (250 effective plus 160-170 effective cupola) 

 

The only armour the TIER 9 E75 has better is a better lower plate that is about 20-30mm more effective and 20mm more side armour.

 

Slap tier 9 HP and tier 9 pen on this thing and it would be an alight tier 9 tank. 

 

Even if it has better upper than E75, its not like anyone is going to shoot you there



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-5 gun depression is workable but slightly painful.

combine it with only +15 elevation and you get a very annoying tank to play. (VKB has -5 +18).

 

edit: +15 is the same as Setter, it trolled me yesterday by not being able to shoot tanks that were hanging out over the edge on east side of Mines mid hill when i was below them.


Edited by eldrak, 13 August 2019 - 02:52 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 13 August 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

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Any useful evidence to support your wrong claim that the VK "has a BETTER upper plate"? No? I thought so.

 

No amount of nonsense that you can write will correct that. You were wrong and that's the long and short of it. What's even worse is trying to call it a technicality, no dear it's an armor model. Now gather what's left of your self worth out of here and don't come back!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 13 August 2019 - 02:59 PM.


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View PostXxKuzkina_MatxX, on 13 August 2019 - 01:51 PM, said:

 

Any useful evidence you can support your wrong claim that the VK "has a BETTER upper plate"? No? I thought so.

 

No amount of nonsense that you can write will correct that. You were wrong and that's the short and long of it. What's even worse is trying to call it it a technicality, no dear it's an armor model. Now gather what's left of your self worth out of here and don't come back!

 

Well you know except a different source that does actual support that. :rolleyes:

 

But nothing to actually add to the discussion then? Thought as much, sadly no one to copy/paste your response from. 

 

And also, oh 'dear', 'technicality' in an argument, as in no actual input into the overall argument, just arguing something irrelevant, a 'technicality', which is exactly what you were doing. Even if the VK's upper plate is not stronger, doesn't change the reality that the armour model is massively strong and as I said comparable to the E75's, along with the alpha, which effectively puts it armour wise and alpha wise at the same level as a good tier 9 tank.

 

If you are going to use patronising tones like 'dear' then at least understand what is actually being talked about, otherwise you look very silly. 

 

View PostLIL_Veky, on 13 August 2019 - 01:50 PM, said:

Even if it has better upper than E75, its not like anyone is going to shoot you there

 

So RNG is not a thing then? And no one ever hits upper plates, so they might as well not be there? Also strong upper plates help with baiting, sidescraping, against tanks very close to you that can't shoot your lower plate. 

 

Also people shoot in the turret and it has the same turret armour as the E75, almost identical in fact in effectiveness, and of course the same alpha. Plus as it's rear turreted it will be an even strong sidescraper than the E75. 

 

 

 

 



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View Posttajj7, on 13 August 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

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Listen here, remember to check armor models properly before making a rookie mistake like this. I am truly disappointed and i already let it slide in this post once but apparently you just couldn't let it go. Also when proven wrong, know that it won't help acting like that especially with me. Now as i've told you already, see you in the next topic!


Edited by XxKuzkina_MatxX, 13 August 2019 - 03:16 PM.


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Armor model is wrong you are using x-ray and not shot symulation which is behind paywall and which shows angles etc you can check it with chrysler which according to your armor model has 300mm on upper plate where in reality it has 260mm so VK wil have smth like 250-270mm on upper and on lower plate with straight camera it has 197.7mm and not 191mm

 



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View Postgta9514, on 17 August 2019 - 03:39 PM, said:

Armor model is wrong you are using x-ray and not shot symulation which is behind paywall and which shows angles etc you can check it with chrysler which according to your armor model has 300mm on upper plate where in reality it has 260mm so VK wil have smth like 250-270mm on upper and on lower plate with straight camera it has 197.7mm and not 191mm

 

The VK got an upper plate of 180mm plate @53° while the E75 got a 160mm plate @60°. Whatever formula or site you use, the VK can't have a better upper plate than the E75. It's mathematically impossible.

 

 

I also checked both tanks, the VK and the E75, using the same site or formula. If there is any error it should propagate in both models.

 

The confrontation mode in this site which is partially premium doesn't have different armor values or a different formula for calculating LOS thickness. It merely calculates the penetration chances against a target tank from a shooter tank. You get the same armor thickness in either view/mode and you can check it on any standard tank below tier 9 for free.


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I will most definitely be getting one.

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And it's on sale...

 

https://worldoftanks...k-introduction/



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It's £25, that has to be the cheapest tier 8 heavy premium ever no? 




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